It’s Musk’s drug of choice

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    9 hours ago

    Wait, you mean persistent drug abuse can lead to a state of psychosis where people act impulsively, have delusions of grandeur, and have no regard for how their actions impact others?

    Surely there aren’t any other historical figures we can compare this to.

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    Ketamine: from saving lives in surgeries to inflating egos in boardrooms—what a career pivot. Informative and well-researched yet slightly alarmist.

    🐱🐱🐱🐱

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    What are the long term effects of having a child with a father who’s a nazi and a ketamine addict? Asking for a South African…

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    John Lilly, a neurophysiologist and psychedelic researcher who once used LSD to investigate dolphin communication, famously abused ketamine until he believed that he was contacted by an extraterrestrial entity who removed his penis.

    I see, that’s where dandadan got its plot ideas from

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      This statement from the article is a bit misleading. Lilly had this hallucination during a ketamine trip after injecting 150mg. The article makes it sound like a persistent delusion arising from daily use. Lilly abused ketamine for sure, but he didn’t lose his mind. He was a guy who seemed to have strange ideas his whole life. https://www.intuition.org/txt/lilly.htm

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        Adding to this because I feel a bit annoyed at how John C Lilly gets so badly represented sometimes. He wasn’t a nut job. He was a weird guy with a very unique personality. He had an intense passion for knowledge and scientific inquiry. He also had a massive ego. But he was a reasonably self reflective person. Read his books and watch interviews with him. He wasn’t just a hedonist who got addicted to K. He always had a very non typical experience of reality. He had hallucinations of angels as a child, partly due to a heavily religious upbringing. It’s totally understandable that he was primed for strange trips when he got into psychedelics. But he was able to function as a professional. He had multiple government funded research projects during his career, medical credentials, and owned electrical engineering patents. His characterisation as a kook is very similar to the crap that people say about Tim Leary, who had a successful academic career before being kicked out of Harvard and was actually a very rational person.

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    Last year, Musk told CNN’s Don Lemon that he has a ketamine prescription and uses the drug roughly every other week to help with depression symptoms. When Lemon asked if Musk ever abused ketamine, Musk replied, “I don’t think so. If you use too much ketamine you can’t really get work done,” then said that investors in his companies should want him to keep up his drug regimen.

    I’m not completely sure what the criteria is for “abusing” ketamine, but since Musk seems to know what happens when you use too much ketamine, it seems to me like he’s probably abused it at some point.

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      it seems to me like he’s probably abused it at some point.

      He’s admitted to abusing drugs multiple times in the past, in ways that are very well known to be unbelievably stupid combos, like Ambien and alcohol.

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      Even if someone wants to be completely charitable, and I’m not inclined to do so, there exists a possibility that his dose is too high. How would he know? It could, therefore, produce the same effects as overuse/abuse.

      It’s a little far-fetched to be that charitable, however, and I think it’s more likely he just abuses and tries to hide it. He has billions of dollars and exists in a separate tier of law. Getting a supply of ketamine is probably trivially easy.

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      I hate musk hard but I mean you could learn what happens when you abuse ketamine with a quick Google search and not even have touched a drug in your life.

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        The effect that Musk mentioned was, “you can’t really get work done,” which feels less like “Google search” and more like “personal experience.” And I said that “it seems to me like he’s probably abused it at some point,” which feels like the right sort of certainty for this sort of conclusion from that evidence.

        I wasn’t surprised when reading the rest of the comments in this comment section that somebody mentioned that he’s been known to use ketamine recreationally.

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          The words people use to describe falling into a K-hole—the psychedelic trip experienced on high doses of ketamine—read like opposites. Paralyzing. Introspective. Detached. Peaceful. Frightening. Euphoric. Transformative. Near-death.

          Seems like you wouldn’t really be able to work thru this but I see your point there no way anyone could interpret that without experience.🙄
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      Trump obtained last thursday (feb 27th) the extradition of 29 drug cartel’s barons from Mexicans prisons to US, so, he quite have the choice

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      He’s the richest man on earth. He probably has people moving product just for his consumption and distribution. There’s no way all he uses is K. People at the billionaire level probably take drugs plebians have never heard of.

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        But I was told they all wake up at 4am for their 15 mile morning jog before a carefully balanced breakfast of a protein supplement and ancient grains. How could they take drugs?? The billionaire body is a sacred temple!

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          wait is this a thing for real? I’ve never heard of hgh but that chest looks somehow more inhuman than zuck’s face

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            That’s the theory going around. Human growth hormone is considered a “youth drug” by some and makes your organs keep growing. He didn’t always have that chest.

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    In 2018, for example, he took multiple tabs of acid at a party he hosted in Los Angeles. The next year he partied on magic mushrooms at an event in Mexico. In 2021, he took ketamine recreationally with his brother, Kimbal Musk, in Miami at a house party during Art Basel. He has taken illegal drugs with current SpaceX and former Tesla board member Steve Jurvetson.

    People close to Musk, who is now 52, said his drug use is ongoing, especially his consumption of ketamine, and that they are concerned it could cause a health crisis. Even if it doesn’t, it could damage his businesses.

    WSJ report archived

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    Ketamine does not have this effect at all. It doesn’t even directly work on the receptors that would invoke such behavior. Half of the stuff in the article is cherry picked to suit a narrative. It doesn’t even include the effect of thinking one can rule the world outside of the clickbait title. And LMAO at pointing out the ketamine delusions of a nutjob who previously tried to use LSD to communicate with dolphins, that was a new one.

    (Source: I have been a ketamine user for 15 years with no problems, and I hosted government approved drug education for a while)

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      Dude seriously… Fuck Elon Musk for singlehandedly ruining the reputation of a great chemical (for medical and responsible recreational use).

      No, ketamine does not make people feel like they can rule the world? The fuck? They’re more likely to zone out on the couch for a couple of hours because they have literally dissociated, and they’re not thinking about anything, let alone world domination.

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      Lilly wasn’t a nut job. His dolphin experiments ultimately failed, but it takes courage to try radical scientific experiments. Consider the common attitude towards science in academia these days where so many people fudge their results because they’re afraid of being considered failures. Failure is a part of science because you can learn from it. One of the cool things about Lilly’s experiments is that he didn’t feel the need to commercialise his experiments. They were mostly based on pure scientific inquiry.

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        I’m just pointing out what most people should take away from the reference to that guy. They are pointing out that ketamine can make you delusional but then use the worst example out there; somebody who already could be considered delusional. That’s cherry picking.

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          I get that. I just felt the need to defend lilly a bit because I’ve been reading his books since I was a teenager. It’s like when you read something inaccurate about a topic you know. Just wanting to correct the record somewhat.

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      Glad I’m not the only one who feels this way, I go through a healthy amount of ketamine recreationally and I feel like it has almost the opposite effect. I feel very small, almost insignificant in the grand scheme of things, but in a really healthy and positive way. Like I’m no more important than anyone else

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        My usage? Recreational. Although I fully understand that it can be used against depression. There’s something beautiful and soothing in the simplicity of life after a ketamine night.

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          MXE was my all time favorite for the year or so that it was available before China cracked down on all of the labs. And for some reason it’s never come back.

          But it was like ketamine’s slightly more euphoric and psychedelic little brother.

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          I’m intrigued, but mainly for depression. But unless I get much worse I think I should probably stick to the drugs I already know.

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            I’m not sure I can suggest that. Its effects are mostly the same among people but I don’t think everybody would benefit from it. There’s also the constant oppression from governments and outside people that might make your state of mind even worse.

            Maybe try it out, but don’t go thinking it’s a miracle drug that’ll heal you without you also doing some work.

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      I’m on 80mg troches currently for symptom management. What dosage do you use?

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    Once had a boss that used K several times a week. The article sounds like it was written about him.

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      Is this a reference to making drug addicts work the farms after deporting all of the immigrant farm workers?

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              Phillip Kindred Dick(aka PKD), an influential american scifi Novelist and avid user of psychadelics among other things. His novels are used as the basis of such movies as Blade Runner, Total Recall, Screamers, The Adjustment Bureau, Minority Report, The Mini-series The Man in The High Castle, and most relevant to this conversation -A Scanner Darkly.

              The film A Scanner Darkly centers around a Parole Officer who actively becomes addicted to a new drug while living in a surveillance society. The addiction ultimately results in his permanent impairment and incarceration in a work camp where he is made to farm the same drug he was previously addicted to.

              I have not read the book. Unfortunately I’ve found PKD writing style to be challenging to get through, but i’ve always loved his sense of imagination. A Scanner Darkly is a good animated film starring Keanu Reeves, Robert Downey Junior, Woody Harrelson, and Winona Ryder and I strongly recommend it.