Be sure to share this on Twitter! Keep using his platform, guys!
Better than nothing, but not good enough. Please visit your local government buildings and get involved. Not buying Teslas won’t make a difference like actual difference-making will.
Later: “Due to the struggling stock market and their essential nature to the economy, we have no choice but to bail out Tesla Motors.”
Why is the focus on musk? He’s not the root problem. Trump is the one who gave him power, even if m is removed, t will put another big donor in power.
You know how we “make an example” out of people who do things we don’t like?
We need to make an example out of billionaires that put up hundreds of millions of dollars to manipulate elections. Billionaires and big business should have no place in politics.
So the purpose is to change the law that allows unlimited donations? It’s kind of too late…. Do you not remember the inauguration photo of trump surrounded by billionaires? He doesn’t care about the law, no one can touch him. The us is a dictatorship now. The old way of thinking needs to change. We need new strategies.
Trump doesn’t care about his ratings. He doesn’t care about the protesters, and is waiting for things to get “out of control” so that he’ll enact martial law. T will keep giving billionaires taxpayer money, whether or not the citizens want him to, and whether or not the citizens are buying their products.
Hear me out. Tesla makes (or at least made) innovative cars, they persued their vision of electric vehicles and made EVs a commonplace option for the average consumer. They needed Musk’s capital to do that. They are still capable of doing great things… But not with Elon at the helm. The best thing we can do, even if you like your Model 3, or even your damn Cybertruck, is to get Elon out of Tesla.
That means boycotts. Don’t use their chargers, don’t rent or buy their cars, don’t subscribe to their full-self driving, and black them out on social media.
Lmao. Tesla made luxury vehicles.
Average consumer? Tesla never did that, they make sports cars.
Something like a Nissan leaf is far more affordable for the average person.
Even if Musk gets fired, he’ll still own a huge percentage of the stock. If the goal is to hurt his net worth, then the boycott shouldn’t end with his dismissal.
Agreed. He should be separated from shares (imho) before any person should feel good about helping out Tesla.
Focus on millionaires. Not just musk
Focus on all billionaires. Not just Musk.
FTFYWhy set the bar too high?
I’m trying to stay more realistic.
Anyone at shy above 1 million USD living in the US is having a live that’s closer to the average person than it is to a billionaire let alone Musk.Apparently, it’s about 18% of households.
And much of that is the value of the home they live in and pension funds.
I’d wager most millionaires don’t even know they’re millionaires.
And that’s why it’s harder to get support for such an approach, while support for taxing billionaires should be available in abundance.
Yes. I like what I think is Bernie’s idea. The sentiment is basically do everything possible to tax all income and assets over one billion. Tell those crying for billionaires to shut up because surely people can live on assets of $999,999,999.00.
Maybe readjust for inflation every decade or so. Even if it got negotiated down to something like a cap of 5 billion or 10 billion, this would still be good for America. Someone with assets like Elon, and Bezos and Zuck, etc. should not even exist, even if most of those assets are supposedly “only” on paper. Surely, though, being someone with just under a billion or just under 5 or just under 10 should provide enough “motivation” for all the future supposed “job-creators” that we always hear so much about.
Surely, having 999 million is better than whatever they started with and we should all acknowledge they didn’t make all that themselves. They have a huge working government (or they did at one point, we’ll see what we are left with after Bronzo the Clown is done) that helped them, along with many, many workers making that money. They should show GRATITUDE for that by helping to further sustain that system, not just leech from it and be able to buy politicians that actively work to make it worse for those not in the billionaire class.
Million? That’s like 2 houses or a small truckload of eggs.
Are you joking? If you own 2 houses or are buying truckloads of eggs, we definitely need to redistribute your wealth.
And probably criminal charges too
no no, two houses OR a truckload of eggs, I don’t have either, I’m just sayin a million don’t go as far as it used to.
Tesla has become the official automobile brand of magastan. When you see one rolling down the road, or more likely stuck in 2 inches of snow, at least you’ll know where its owner stands on things like equality and the new national norm of fascism.
Cybertrucks, maybe. But the sedans were, for a long time, the only real EV game in town. Owning them now does nothing to enrich Musk, and selling them does nothing to harm him. In fact, a mass selloff (of vehicles, not shares) may very well be helpful to his bottom line, since if you increase the used stock you make buying a dealer-new Tesla more attractive (when a bunch of them sit on a dealer lot all shiny, they’re essentially advertisements). Plus, if you replace one with a gas vehicle, you’re enriching the petroleum lobby that also helped put
MuskTrump in office.Tesla owners who care about making a difference should reduce waste by hanging on to their vehicles until they’re falling to pieces (which won’t take long in the case of the cybertruck), and then replace it with a low-cost EV made by someone else. In the meantime, cancel any recurring subscriptions on the vehicle, put a meaningful statement of resistance on the bumper, drive it to protests and campaign events for non-fascist candidates, and use it to contribute significant mutual aid within your community.
As a Tesla owner, this is 100% untrue. I’m extremely progressive and LGBTQIA+. I now HATE Musk and I’m exactly the kind of person Musk hates. I bought a Tesla when Musk was in his “seems a bit crazy but wasn’t a Trump supporter or a Nazi” phase. Many people bought them being even less aware of his antics until recently.
My financial situation, leaving the US in a few months, makes selling it and buying another vehicle a very stupid idea. Others are now underwater on their loans since their value has taken a shit. I have friends who own Teslas that like their cars and don’t want to sell just because the CEO turned out to be a Nazi fuck.
It’s easy to paint people with a broad brush, but it’s the same lazy ideology the MAGAs use. Be better.
Edit: I’m glad the value is tanking, but I’d rather Musk be ousted or, better yet, be given a little impromptu extra ventilation in his braincase. I love/loved my car but now it’s tainted and I hate that.
If you’re truly on the side of good, sell that thing. Not sure what else to tell you, but we’re at a point in history where lines need to be drawn. I can tell you with zero hesitation, that if I owned a Tesla before MAGA decided it was going Eastern European strongman autocracy, that’s what I would do.
We’re about to incur thousands of dollars of expenses uprooting our lives to flee persecution. I can’t justify selling it, buying a another car, paying associated taxes and fees, then selling that vehicle in a few months when this move is wiping out our bank account already.
And what does that get me other than making a statement? It’s only because of people like you that I have to worry about driving it anywhere.
And what does that get me other than making a statement? It’s only because of people like you that I have to worry about driving it anywhere.
I’d get a “Fire Elon” sticker or something, maybe overlaid on the image of him doing a seig heil, right next to the Tesla logo.
We’ve had one for awhile. Originally it was just to show solidarity with other progressive Tesla owners, now I hope it’ll avoid confrontation and vandalism from people like the op commenter.
Lot of rage here, but you know the right answer. I’m a federal employee in the process of losing my career over this shit. I’m going to be financially ruined for years. If I owned a Tesla, I’d happily drive it back to the dealership out of principle, even given the loss.
Don’t hate people for hating the haters. Musk is scum, and his products are a reflection of his undemocratic and racist views. You want someone to blame? Look no further than the White House and Musk. Don’t blame true patriots who are organizing mass boycotts and protests. It’s the only tool we have to combat this overtly fascist movement, and I for one am not relinquishing what voice I have left.
I’m going to break this response down.
Lots of rage here, but you know the right answer.
Are you just trolling? No rage, I’m simply pushing back against people who paint people like me as “fascists and fascist supporters” with a broad brush and encourage others to do the same. They’re actively making my life worse.
I won’t even dignify “you know the right answer” with a response.
I’m a federal employee in the process of losing my career over this shit.
I see you missed that I’m LGBTQIO+. I’m not cishet. I’m in fear for my life and the lives of my partner and friends, so I’m fleeing the country and starting over, hoping the next place doesn’t want me to die at some point too. Sorry about your job though.
Your last paragraph is just a big, lazy strawman that similarly suggests you never bothered to understand my previous comments before responding. I wasn’t going to respond to it as I’m now quite sure you’re just rage baiting at this point, but then realized someone on the fence about thinking like this might be reading.
I’ve been actively protesting the US decline into fascism for over thirty years. I’m a scientist that worked in public health. I’m disabled and am a disability advocate. I am this “true patriot” you pretend I’m blaming with the radical notion that we…*checks notes*… not assume everyone who drives a particular vehicle that has been sold for over a decade is a Fascist or fascist supporter since the CEO went mask off as a neo-Nazi in the last few months. That clearly means I’m “hating the haters” and “blaming the true patriots”. Clearly.
Edit: just noticed my laptop is still logged into my old .world account. Oops!
I get it, believe me. I plan to do whatever I can to get my family out of this country if it descends any further into chaos. I’m not about to raise my daughter in a country that’s so hostile to women.
I also think there’s a bit of a misunderstanding. While I am generalizing about your average rabidly proud MAGA Tesla driver, I’m not saying that every Tesla driver is a Nazi. Telsas are, unfortunately, a symbol of a Nazi billionaire. That’s not my fault, and I’m sorry, but I don’t think we should ignore that fact.
I do think people should protest. I also think people shouldn’t buy Teslas for the reasons that have already been explained. I’m not advocating violence against anyone. If people are yelling at you for driving one, I guess be more pissed at Elon.
While I am generalizing about your average rabidly proud MAGA Tesla driver, I’m not saying that every Tesla driver is a Nazi.
Your original comment:
Tesla has become the official automobile brand of magastan. When you see one rolling down the road, or more likely stuck in 2 inches of snow, at least you’ll know where its owner stands on things like equality and the new national norm of fascism.
You’re the one who just pivoted into the Nazi word use. Your original comment was clear. If you call for a false dichotomy, don’t be surprised when “true patriots” push back as that rhetoric is what fascists use. I don’t want you to drag the rest of us down with you.
Bad argument after bad argument here. Did you bother to think before writing this or did it just vomit out?
What exactly did I say that you disagree with?
Wow, that, to me, seems like something only the very privileged would suggest.
So I bought a car based on low emissions and total lifetime cost. The connection to one asshat has soured the public opinion of the company, so I should take a $10-15k bath??
This is not the way.
Not privileged at all. I’m being slowly terminated from my government job, and have plenty of financial issues that are/will result. I’m also in no way advocating violence against anyone. I’m simply in favor of raking Tesla over the coals using the power of protest and purse.
Don’t take a financial bath. Fine. That’s your decision. If it were me, I’d go further into debt because driving a Nazi billionaire’s symbol around town is a nonstarter for me. My principles matter more.
To each their own, I guess. You’re the one that has to live with your decision.
I’m simply in favor of raking Tesla over the coals using the power of protest and purse.
… And selling a used Tesla does that how? Tesla sells new cars, remember? They made their money from that car already, it’s too fucking late.
NGL, personally, if I had a Tesla I’d sell it because I don’t want that image, but I’d be under no illusion that it hurt Tesla in any way. The only thing that changes is now some other dork is driving my old used Tesla around, except this new owner presumably has no shame about driving a Tesla or they wouldn’t have bought it.
The only way I can think of to hurt Tesla as a used Tesla owner is to attack their reputation by continuing to drive it but slap on one of those “I bought this before Elon went crazy” bumper stickers, all while constantly complaining about the car to scare people out of buying a new one. I don’t judge people for wanting to buy a Tesla in 2015. Selling it just guarantees that the next owner will be the type of person who wants to buy a Tesla in 2025, who I will totally judge. Financially, Tesla doesn’t care which of these people owns the used, out-of-warrany car, but in matters of image, which do you think musk would rather have behind the wheel?
This is very wrong. Teslas are electric vehicles, and for a long time people who actually believe in science would buy or aspire to buy a Tesla as a personal way to combat climate change. Even when they had a ton of problems, people would be willing to pay a premium for them (a lot of people also just bought them because they were cool, but it’s unlikely many were Nazis). That really only started to change when autopilot started killing people and Musk began to show his true colors.
Being able to just replace your car on a whim is a luxury for wealthy people. Plus, think about what happens if you sell your Tesla; who will buy it? Probably a Nazi, or an opportunist looking to flip them if the value rebounds. It’s not going to accomplish anything but potentially financially hurt the person selling it. It definitely won’t do shit to the stock price, because stock prices are rarely grounded in rationality, and the people invested in Tesla all have their own theories that make them believe it’s a good investment despite current events.
And also, you don’t hurt billionaires by attacking regular people.
Btw, I fully support slapping swastika stickers onto Teslas no matter who owns them. That’s non-violent and non-destructive, and it helps remind people what Tesla represents now.
Even at this point, I doubt it. Many might be people that bought in before they knew who and what Musk is and are just riding it out. I’m not sure what the used market is like for Tesla right now, but even with normal depreciation, selling a used car and trying to find a comparable replacement may set you back.
I can never tell if you lot are just your typical purity testing Americans, well meaning but dimwitted „allies" or trolls sewing divisiveness amongst actual allies. Regardless, this rhetoric is indicative of why your country is imploding.
Our country is imploding because it pivoted hard towards fascism. I’m not trying to call out well-meaninged folks in the process, but blaming fellow liberals for associating the Tesla brand with Nazis is not a genuine sentiment. This is Musk’s and MAGA’s fault exclusively.
For those who regrettably went Tesla before all this mess and aren’t in a position to sell, put a bumper sticker on it, or find another way to show your disdain for what’s happening. Again, you can’t blame people for using tools like speech and economy. And, ignoring what’s happening is a self-defeating endeavor that only results in normalization.
but blaming fellow liberals for associating the Tesla brand with Nazis is not a genuine sentiment.
You’ve said a lot of stupid things here, but this may be the stupidest. Absolute cucumber sandwich level of cognition. Saying you lots purity testing is part of why the American „left” is ineffective is a genuine sentiment.
Just throwing around insults… You’re very clearly not looking to have a serious discussion.
Tesla is done anyway, they desperately need to cheat with tarrifs and rules to keep moderately competing with the Chinese.
And even then they are of far lesser quality and more expensive.
The billions in subsidies this clown has gotten for his cars he is now getting in bigger quantities as a military contractor.
Starlink and SpaceX are getting massive government contracts.
This can only help some of these protesters conscience, as if they’re doing something.If you weren’t already boycotting everything Elon touches what the fuck is wrong with you?
Does it count as boycotting if you could never afford it in the first place?
just makes the boycotting that much easier.
Better late than never, I say. Better to praise new good behavior than complain about the delay!
And as Musk wreaks irreparable damage to his personal brand, Tesla sales are tanking, especially in Europe: In Germany, sales plunged by 59% in January, following Musk’s endorsement of the country’s far-right AfD party. They were also down 63% in France year-over-year, in January.
The EV-maker’s net income in the fourth quarter of 2024 fell 71% from the same time in the previous year […]
You love to see it.
TSLA down 7.27 (2.15%) today. I’ll check tomorrow and hope for this to become a trend.
My question really, who is buying tesla’s these days, and is that even a noteworthy percentage of musks income these days.
Honestly it looks to me like musk is just adapting to leaching off the government anyway. Also throwing in the pivot of basically getting trump to commit to buying (Edit due to incorrect information:) Vehicles from tesla for military use. I mean yes absolutely don’t give him the extra stream of income… but, but I can’t help but feel this is rather toothless.
Musk’s net worth is largely tied to Tesla’s market cap. Most of his wealth is in those shares
Make the brand extremely toxic and start affecting the share price. People are investing in the company not for logical reasons, but primarily emotional ones. People seeing mass anger and protest of Teslas hit the emotion part
What do you mean “adapting” he has never done anything but Leach off the govt. Tesla isn’t so much a car company as it is a carbon credits company that sells govt carbon credits to other car manufacturers. Other than that, SpaceX is basically fully funded by fed contracts and boring by state and municipal contracts.
Like the idea that he is even a decent businessman is a wild exaggeration. He’s been gaming the system and leaching off the taxpayers from the jump
Its not like he started Tesla or SpaceX anyway, they try to keep him as far away from operations as possible.
commit to buying military cybertrucks
I just want to be clear that they order was for armored Teslas in general, not specifically Cybertrucks.
Armored vehicles tend to be standard vehicles retrofitted with armor. This could mean any model of Tesla, not specifically the Cybertruck, especially since Musk already suspended Cybertruck production at the end of 2024.
I just keep seeing repeat that it’s going to be Cybertrucks but literally the evidence does not bear out it being Cybertrucks, especially since production of Cybertrucks was already suspended.
EDIT:
Also, assuming it’s a Cybertruck is literally buying into and re-enforcing the marketing of the Cybertruck being a powerful armored vehicle to begin with. We all know that’s not true.
Valid point, though still key point is… They are getting the US government to buy tesla’s… which helps take some of the load off needing consumers to buy them.
Yes, that is the main point, but we undermine the main point by making up bullshit.
Point is fair, edited my original comment. It’s not as much making up bullshit as attempting to interpret a vague order, and more or less giving it how most the media has interpreted it.
My question really, who is buying tesla’s these days, and is that even a noteworthy percentage of musks income these days.
That’s a very good question honestly. For anyone that cares to get a rough estimate of purchase date/support before doing something rash (unlikely, but hey, as an owner from 2018 that doesn’t like any other reasonably affordable EV options and hates being associated with this dickbag)… Tesla switched from Chrome door handles and camera housings to Black (chrome delete was already by far the most popular aftermarket change, Tesla just started doing it themselves) around the Model Y launch in March 2019. So if you see a Tesla with Chrome handles and camera housings, it predates at least the recent Elon spiral into Fascism fueled by Ketamine™.
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they will shift from buy/lease to uber/rent. likely priced to destroy competition, and bury the data on crashes and deaths and self-destruction, and the microphones and cameras are all bugged by a fascist regime. at any time it can kidnap you and take you somewhere that nobody but them can know.
His government plundering income is on shaky ground, though, since he’s only there at the whims of Trump. Granted, Trump’s been willing to bow down to him so far, but it’s only been a month and allegiances change often in fashy world.
Serving at the whim of Trump means nothing after Musk has infiltrated and taken control of the payment methods the government use. He can turn on and off the flow of money as he pleases. Trump basically handed him all the power and is going to get bent over the oval office desk for it.
Honestly while none of us can know the full scenerios, IMO I think it’s more probable than not that some kind of mutually assured destruction is in place for both of them. IE both have commited enough crimes that, they could destroy eachother.
As a current Tesla owner, can I just say that I bought my car long before this man went (fully) off the rails. Selling my car won’t hurt him, only myself. Please don’t view my car as support for this piece of shit.
He has been since 1999 is the rub.
Selling my car won’t hurt him, only myself.
How would selling your car hurt you? Would you not be able to get a different vehicle?
How big do you suppose the market is for a used Tesla right now? How big a bath do you think he’d have to take to sell it?
That said, ONLY remembering there are people in this boat keeps me from making rude gestures at Tesla drivers (esp cybertrucks) these days.
Other models? Absolutely. Cybertruck? No, fuck those people. Elon was full mask-off fascist by the time deliveries started.
Does that work for the timing of pre-orders too? (I truly don’t know.)
The “pre-orders” weren’t pre-orders. They didn’t secure a VIN, were zero commitment, and were fully refundable at any time. You were literally just giving Tesla a free loan of $100 to say “I might buy one of these”.
Vehicle valuation is not a guarantee and it could be difficult to sell the Nazi-mobile but personally i’d rather sell than be seen in anything related to Nazis.
Vehicle valuation is not a guarantee
And that’s great, but this is the question you asked:
How would selling your car hurt you?
So it’s the question I answered.
it could be difficult to sell the Nazi-mobile but personally i’d rather sell than be seen in anything related to Nazis.
How wonderful for you that you would make a different decision than that other person who is not you and has entirely different circumstances in their life.
How old is it? It might be a good idea to ditch it before it becomes an even bigger liability. Teslas don’t last over 10 years without dropping large sums of cash into them.
May I suggest a bumper sticker indicating you don’t support him or the company any longer?
The irony is that it might then be a car with the potential to piss off two groups - the group that thinks the sticker is not really enough (and I’m sure they exist), and those that are pissed that someone shows they don’t show enough support for fElon and by proxy, the magats.
Not that I have any answers. I’m just glad I’m not in a similar predicament. I was definitely eyeing Teslas before I knew what a fascist fElon is. Could have happened to nearly anyone, it seems.
We got ours just a week or two before seeing him for what he is. It sucks and we can’t afford to ditch the car.
I really think the people that work at Tesla have done a great job making a very affordable car that works well. I can only imagine that the disgust I feel towards the asshat and to the association with this car pales in comparison to what the people who designed and built it feel. 120,000 people work for Tesla.
I don’t see how, but it’d be better if we could separate the 13% shareholding asshat from the company rather than destroy it. It’s a shitty situation.
edit: by ‘affordable’ I’m looking at total cost of owership, which was significantly less than a new Prius. Also, I’m in a snowbelt, used cars are a bad idea here. (can ya feel the defensiveness?, ug)
The irony is that it might then be a car with the potential to piss off two groups
I get why people don’t want to piss off some of the maga people. they do seem a bit snowflake-y and overly armed but at the same time not expressing yourself due to this fear is giving them more power than they deserve.
I think a lot of them are cowards are likely to just mess with the car and/or the property it’s on.
As a current owner that can’t financially walk away for another 2 or so months at best, what sticker is best?
I’m also going to replace the emblems that are removable with Luigi logos and add bear resist stickers but…I dunno.
Thing is, any damage done could potentially lengthen the time until I can exit.
Fuck Elon. I hope he gets cancer.
There’s lots of “I bought this before I knew he was crazy” variants out there.
But if you’re really committed and want to design something unique, I’ll laser engrave it on something for you for free. I can do plastics, wood, and metal that can be attached with glue or magnets. Or I can laze a template for you if you’d like to paint it on.
I think any expression of regret works as an anti-Swasticar marking
A lot of people are in your position, and I sympathize. I will readily judge owners of new Tesla vehicles, but owners of older models are plausibly victims just as much as the rest of us.
Easiest of all to spot will be the new generation Model Y coming out this month, which have a unique single light-bar on the front, which looks like the Cybertruck.
Technically the used market value can negatively affect the new market value of a brand. More people selling Tesla at lower price means people looking to buy are more tempted with used than new, and those buying new see the value decrease more off the lot.
If I see anyone driving a Tesla they’re a piece of shit to me. Stop making excuses and get rid of it. If you own a Tesla you’re not struggling, you can take the loss.
You’re probably one of the people who dumped all their Bud Light that they already purchased after the trans can issue.
Or one of the people who burned all their Nike apparel that they already purchased after that one dude kneeled.
Or one of the people who smashed their satellite radio equipment that they already purchased after one of the price hikes.
I say to you: put up or shut up. Either bond out the money so that OP has enough money to buy a compatible EV (INCLUDING charging network) after selling their Tesla or STFU.
I know which one this keyboard warrior is going to pick.
I don’t buy Bud Light because I drink real beer and I’m not a fucking American bozo.
I don’t buy Nike because they support Israel.
Why the fuck am I gonna buy OP a car? I use public transport.
Have fun winning arguments with the made up characters in your head. I’m gonna keep flipping off Tesla drivers.
For not being an American bozo, you’re being a bit of a prick.
Maybe… But he has a point
Thanks for the giant red flag as to why People should block you.
I get that and it could happen to any brand (CEO has views that people don’t agree with - although this case is extreme).
Look at Bud Light / Nike / etc.
Destroying something you already own isn’t going to affect Elon; it’s going to affect someone that’s just trying to get by.
But if someone else buys used and not new, it still lowers direct sales for Tesla.
Same. I’m definitely one-and-done with my Tesla, but I should be able to get another good 5+ years out of it before I get rid of it.
so you might have been grifted, but your actions affect other people. your car is a spy mobile that sucks up innocent bystanders’ data without their consent. and yeah, maybe do research before supporting a company, like how Cocacola did business with Hitler - but even that ignorant at best $2 purchase doesn’t negatively affect everyone else to the extent your car does
The showrooms are still standing, so I don’t think the Yankees are protesting hard enough.
They should call the French.
Somebody already shot one up and left a note.
Considering the number of “the French give up” jokes made by Americans I find it hilarious that Americans won’t even try in the first place. I know who the real losers are.
Well…If the French hadnt assisted the Americans in their revolution, the English would have kept them as a colony and we wouldnt all be in this mess right now.
(/s)
We also shouldn’t have sold Louisiana to them.
Here’s an idea. We take all the money from the nazi CEO and solve world hunger. It’s a simple as that lol.
Funny you mentioned that!
https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/18/tech/elon-musk-world-hunger-wfp-donation/index.html
That’s with only 6 billions. Imagine how we could turn this world upside down simply with a wealth cap. Capitalism has operate such a deep brainwashing to the human kind, to the point were people are willing to let the planet disappear to get a shot a being rich.
Solid plan.
