Summary
Conservative lawmakers and activists are pushing to overturn Obergefell v. Hodges, the 2015 Supreme Court ruling legalizing same-sex marriage. Liberty Counsel’s Mat Staver declared, “It’s just a matter of when.”
Some legislators, like Oklahoma Senator David Bullard, are introducing bills to challenge the ruling, while Justices Thomas and Alito have signaled interest in reconsidering it.
Though most Americans support same-sex marriage, the court’s conservative shift is concerning.
The 2022 Respect for Marriage Act ensures federal recognition but does not prevent states from restricting same-sex marriage if Obergefell is overturned.
I wish the media would stop saying ‘conservative’ and start saying ‘fascist’.
It’s okay because uncommitted are patting themselves on the back.
In fact they’d probably go, “Harris would’ve done the same thing!” lmao.
I’m still seeing them saying it here on Lemmy, in fact. Still blaming the Democratic Party for things and choices that they themselves chose to make.
And all because the Democratic Party did not give them a perfectly pretty, pretty pony.
Unfortunately uncommitted voters would not have changed the results pretty much at all. The representation in the voting population is a highly significant percent of the population as far as statistics are concerned.
If there was 100% voting then statistically they results would be identical to the point of no changes considering the sample size of people who did actually vote versus the whole population.
Wrong, just wrong.
36% of eligible voters did not vote. That’s more people than voted for Trump.
I don’t think you understood my point when it comes to statistics and significance. I wasn’t talking about how many people didn’t vote, I was talking about how the people who did vote is a monumental sample size for the entire population. So if the entire population did vote the outcome would be very similar to what the sample size predicted with their actual votes.
Still mathematically incorrect, I’m afraid.
Your point isn’t valid because “people who voted” is certainly not a random sample but it is also not an unbiased or stratified sample of the population.
It’s very plausible indeed that (for example) democratic leaning voters were jaded and stayed home whilst republicans were excited about the disruptive influence their guy mightt have.
Your sample contains no eligible voters whatsoever in the stayed-home category and it’s heinous extrapolation to assume that your proportion extends into this group with markedly different behaviour to those in your sample, especially when the percentages were so close in any case.
Using your logic, I could do a hypothesis test with a tiny sample of hundred voters and get my margin of error under a SL of 5% and claim statistical significance, because if I excluded people who voted in person or people who voted by postal vote, I would get strikingly different outcomes. Thus, if voter preference is correlated so markedly even by method of voting, it’s absurd to suggest that there’s no correlation over fact of voting.
By your logic (statistical significance irrespective of how non-random and non-stratified a sample is), no pre election poll could ever be wrong.
Statistical significance isn’t the same as truth. How representive and free from bias your sample is are two things that are critical to the validity of your conclusions.
Well sure but there are many niche groups who when aggregated together could’ve put us over the top. I just have to highlight this particularly group that so clearly shot themselves in the foot and should, ostensibly, know better. Trump supporters I can even understand more.
I just love the hypocrisy from republicans. They preach smaller government, but are always the first in line to take rights and freedoms away from those they dislike.
They may tell you otherwise, but their actions say they want to govern based on their own warped “Christian” ideals.
MAGA needs to unfuck themselves, and remember that this is a secular nation. You may not like who someone loves or that they worship a different god, or no god at all. Guess what? It’s none of your damn business. And it certainly isn’t a basis for treating people differently.
Republicans are either too stupid to understand the hypocrisy or actively engage in it specifically because they enjoy trolling.
Conservatives with a semblance of coherent thought are Democrats.
Anyone that actually understands the system knows both parties are right of center and left is basically a boogie man with no real-world presence in the US.
The gop, putin, fox, and right wing media has gotten them in such a knot that they cant untie themselves. they almost became selfware with luigi, when MSM dint realized by blasting him 24/7 was actually hurting them.
I just love the hypocrisy from republicans. They preach smaller government, but are always the first in line to take rights and freedoms away from those they dislike.
More than anything else, their inability to perceive the friction between these stances is what frustrates me the most about conservatives, and convinces me that all their supposed “values” are just the high sounding words they use to justify various forms of bigotry and control.
Another amazing contradiction they never manage to grasp lies among the subpopulation of MAGAs that call themselves libertarian. I had a right-wing friend that freely professed libertarian viewpoints for years. Railed against the government for even getting involved in social issues. Now, like many of the rest of em, he’s one of the biggest apologists for reproductive care restrictions and reigning in the press…
I’m not sure if it’s the hivemind or they just really can’t stand a world full of differences they have to endure.
i know 1-2 asian tubers i used to followed like that. one is a sht for brains when turned full maga and anti-vax , he celebrated trump winning but congragulated NEVADAS “ABORTION RIGHTS” STANCE. i was saying in that sub of thier channel, which is it? do you support trump who is probably going to rubber stamp abortion bans or do support anti-abortions? and the other ones slightly more clever, is called liberterians by his fans, but hes so low info like the other dude its embarrassing, and immediately call things woke when it contradicts his rants. also being asians that you are and supporting maga is pretty “disrespectful/disgraceful to asians”, i can understand vietnamese for being the way they are with maga, but you being “other asians” which are almost always a butt of a joke when referring to race,and having almost no influence in hollywood, unless you play a asian stereotype, and almost hold no political positions at large state or national level. in general because asians do not like to ruffle the feathers.
Holy shit. This is fucking huge.
This is fourth reich shit, non-hyperbole. The definition of “First they came for the communists…”
What do you think will come next? Banning interracial marriage? Banning divorce and women having bank accounts? Or banning speaking anything that is critical of the regime.
People need to start freaking out about this right now, not when they’re already on the otherside of ghettos and barbed wire fences.
Of course it is. Did you ever believe that it would stop at trans people?
The definition of “First they came for the communists…”
It has been like that when they first agitated in favor of bathroom and sports segregation, but many let it slide because they were all cis-genderist inside.
If only some trans advocates had warned that the anti-trans movement threatens the core of fundamental freedoms… Oh wait they did, but we called them nazis for not catering to our cisgenderism.
So yes, we reach the point where they also come for the gays, and of course they will come for women and black people. They have let on this shit very publicly.
I only sometimes history did not repeat itself sooo sarcastically.
TL;DR We told you so. Now join the resistance.
hitler only took 53 days to gain full control of germany,.
The rate they’re going, we won’t need to wait long to find out.
Well, they are probably going to come for the birth control and sex toys next.
But if they come for interracial marriage, I bet Clarence is going to be one of the most pikachu-faced motherfuckers (besides Peter Thiel?) on the planet. He thought he was one of the GOOD ones. Turns out they never approved of him OR his marriage…
Also, I want to add - this is not that huge, at least in the sense that it’s not at all surprising. I’m pretty sure Trollito and pals signaled they wanted to end Obergefell, as well as decisions on contraceptives and sodomy. Technically, a blowjob is sodomy. I wonder how many cishet men know that? I also don’t think it will be enforced for any of the insiders. I doubt the Sodomy Police are going to kick in the doors of fElon’s house when he’s getting a beej from one of his baby-mamas.
The only thing that is the least bit surprising (to me, anyway) is how many people ignored that this is who and what the cons really are. They are not for freedom. They hate people exercising their freedoms. They think THEY should decide who marries who. That THEY should decide how family planning is done. And that THEY get to decide what sexual encounters are allowed. And that THEY get to decide even how many dildos people own.
Also: what kind of pervert concerns themselves to this degree about what consenting adults do? It’s sick.
im betting THomas will be estatic when she can get rid of his wife, also thiel can just flee to NEW ZEALAND with his hubby.
Don’t forget separate areas on the bus and theatre for coloured folk. Gotta regress fully.
The American people need to rise up, just a matter of when.
When did the Germans rise up?
The Spartacist rose up way too damned early and got a solid chunk of what could’ve been resistance elements murdered. Including folks like Rosa Luxemburg who told them it was stupid and too early.
They were operating in the context of the ashes of World War 1 and disintegrating empires. The total collapse of centralized authority and subject nations forming governments independently can hardly be considered ‘too early’.
Considering it ‘too early’ in the sense that roving bands of monarchist paramilitaries were still running amok unchecked and (then legitimized by the government?) Yeah, bad time for all who didn’t support Prussian hegemony.
I meant it in the second context, the Freikkorps out numbered them and were functioning as a de facto branch of the Weimar government. Combine that with the fact that the revolt happened when the Weimar Republic was at its strongest and well it was ill advised.
Its also argueable that the slaughter of the Spartacists and leftist in general paved the way for the Nazis. While I dont buy into it I do suspect that if the Sparatacists couldve been a massive boon to the German Resistance later on.
Also I will point out my bias, I do not think direct confrontation is generally all that effective unless its defensive in nature. I believe in absolutely abusing asymmetry when attacking someone. Thusly all my opinions on such actions will default to the idea of abusing asymmetry.
Combine that with the fact that the revolt happened when the Weimar Republic was at its strongest
That I think isn’t quite the case. The uprising occurred in the time period after the Armistice and before the 1919 elections. The Weimar government prior to the 1919 elections existed solely on the legitimacy inherited from the Kaiser. The Spartacists were extrajudicially executed a week before the elections. The constution wasn’t written until the following summer.
The problem with newly born governments is that their weakest periods can often times be their strongest periods since they are liquid and more adaptive.
Just to use an example of what I mean, the modern United States will most likely collapse in on itself due to an over reliance on legalism and folks like Musk and Trump who just ignore it. On the otherhand had Musk and Trump somehow existed back during the founding years of the United States they wouldve been tared and feathered if not just outright shot.
I hate this country. My loving marriage has far more right to exist than these ghouls’
Agree entirely on the value judgement but it’s not a right if a single party can remove it.
It should have been written into the damn constitution with an ammendment along with bodily autonomy for women. But that would have taken some guts and foresight by the democratic leaders.
Now it’s too late.
That’s the thing about rights.
There’s no such thing as a “God-given right.” Rights are earned by fighting. By bloodshed and tears. And they’re lost once again by complacency.
It should have been written into the damn constitution with an ammendment along with bodily autonomy for women. But that would have taken some guts and foresight by the democratic leaders.
An amendment would have taken 38 state legislatures ratifying it. There aren’t 38 state legislatures likely to pass ratification of an amendment that guarantees a right for any two adults to marry without exception and also guarantees a right for any woman to terminate any pregnancy without exception at her will.
That’s probably tied for the lowest odds any hypothetical amendment has of being ratified.
Thankyou. I didn’t realise quite how difficult it would have been.
So sad that things so obviously harmless and bettering for humanity can’t get anywhere near that 76% support in the richest most privileged nation the world has ever seen.
Humanites high water mark is decidedly low considering the potential.
Oh well.
that would have taken some guts and foresight by the democratic leaders.
My understanding is that constitutional amendments also take a high bar to pass with 2/3 of states agreeing to the proposal and 3/4 ratifying. Given the issues getting even more basic things through the Senate/House I could definitely see this getting blocked by red states.
My understanding is that constitutional amendments also take a high bar to pass with 2/3 of states agreeing to the proposal and 3/4 ratifying. Given the issues getting even more basic things through the Senate/House I could definitely see this getting blocked by red states.
Two routes to amend the Constitution.
- Both houses of Congress pass a proposed amendment by a 2/3 majority. Then 3/4 of states ratify that amendment in their state legislatures. This is how every amendment to date has occurred.
- 2/3 of state legislatures call for a Constitutional Congress, during which any number of changes may be made, but any changes must be agreed to by 3/4 of the states. Congress gets no say in this process. Congress getting no say in this process is the point - it exists so that if there’s an issue with the Constitution that Congress is unable or unwilling to resolve (for example if Congressional power needs to be curtailed in some fashion), it can be fixed despite them.
Note the key thing here: Republicans have been pushing hard at the state level for decades, and 2 is why. If ever 38 state legislatures are red, they can more or less arbitrarily rewrite the Constitution to their will regardless of what the remaining states or anything at the federal level has to say about it.
They can’t handle “just a matter of men”.
The American people are going to skin them alive and redistribute the wealth of their doners.
“Just a matter of when”
I’ve spent a lot of time about thermite catapults that retract into a small bed pickup topper.
Anybody have any idea what’ll happen to those of us already gay married?
Well with this administration, reprogramming camps, a.k.a. forces labor camps are on the table. So is deportation, erasure, and ‘‘where did they go? I have no idea what you mean? Who could possibly say? They just disappeared I guess!’’
Initially just the rights gained by it removed. Any tax benefits, recognition of dependent status, military spouse stuff etc etc.
Later a list will be created and distributed.
The public will be encouraged to refuse service to openly gay people. From there it’s a quick ride to imprisonment and reeducation until it’s similar to Saudi Arabia. Then who knows.
doesnt SA, also expel gay people and “denounce thier citizenship”
Later a list will be created and distributed.
I have a gay friend who’s in a long term relationship but not married. Given when he and his guy got together, I half expect the reason is worries that having his orientation be a matter of public record might become a serious liability in a potential future that is reasonably likely.
I can’t imagine the fear I’d have in their situation. I’d probably do something similar.
Though if we’ve learnt anything from history it’s that their friends and co-workers will out them to the booted thugs at the drop of a hat anyway.
So maybe I’d go for the ‘flame while I can’ approach.
He’s in about as safely a blue state as they come, his circle is generally very progressive, and he works for a liberal/progressive leaning employer. He’s about as safe as he can be, all things considered.
I however live in the reddest of red states that used to be safely blue and would consider leaving if it weren’t for my folks and my wife’s folks being here and needing help.
At least we’re probably pretty safe from the worst of it until the targets get down to people with medical issues.
probably trying to abolish the right to marry same sex, or illegitimize the married already?
You might want to seriously consider moving to a country less hostile towards gay people.
if only were that easy, most wont give you a citizenship fast tracked , if your not in category like: being a SCIENTIST in a in demand field, or uncommon specialty in a MD.
or the other somewhat easier, is marrying someone in one of those countries, asap.
Next up: Interracial marriage.
The US is being run by regressives.
Then slavery.
We already have this, anyone seen our penal system?
Don’t need to go that far. Most Americans can’t quit their job for fear of loosing medical coverage.
I’d calm that indentured servitude with a couple extra steps.
California voted whether or not to abolish prison slavery this past cycle. They said nah 🙃
Log Cabin Republicans:
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any lgbtq+ and soon to be interracial ones too.
Marriage is a religious ceremony. The state should have nothing to do with it. This is the problem with mixing the state religion with theistic religion. Fuck the social and monetary benefits bestowed on those who participate. This kind of religious bullshit should be entirely removed from the state’s system of violent coercion.
Fuck off. My marriage happened in a judge’s chambers without the slightest whiff of religion, as we’re both atheist.
Marriage is a contract, not a religious ceremony. Being married carries a ton of legal benefits and rights that most people aren’t even aware of.
There’s a reason you have to see a judge and not a priest to get divorced.
Marriage is not a “contract”. The legal benefits and rights that you mentioned aren’t possible with just a contract between the married couple.
…so what, you do the ceremony and God just says “Thou shall now file thy taxes together”?
My same-sex marriage ceremony occurred in a judge’s chambers, nothing religious whatsoever. My husband and I are both very much atheist and would not have allowed any religious bullshit in our marriage.
It’s more accurate to say that the IRS allows us to jointly file taxes once married. If we’re unmarried the IRS wouldn’t allow that. The benefit of filing jointly isn’t granted because of a “contract” between my husband and I, the benefit was already there and waiting for us to become eligible by getting married.
Ah, sincere apologies, I believe I mixed up who I was responding to.
No worries!
What the actual fuck are you talking about? The rights I mentioned aren’t possible just because a priest says so. The contract is what makes them possible.
I didn’t say anything about priests. No priest involved in my same-sex marriage. I’m not addressing religion at all here.
Legally, marriage is not simply a contract between the two married people.
For example, hospital visitation. If marriage is nothing more than a legal contract between my husband and I, how could it possibly compel a hospital to allow my husband to visit me if I’m hospitalized? The hospital didn’t agree to anything in our contract, so how else are they compelled?
My entire point is that marriage has legal benefits that go far beyond what a mere contract between two married parties can possibly grant.
The legal benefits are provided by the marriage contract. The papers you sign at the courthouse to declare you’re legally married are the contract.
How is a hospital legally bound by a contract, which they didn’t sign and doesn’t mention them, to allow my husband to visit me?
The answer is that they aren’t. They are bound by federal regulations to do so, not by the content of any marriage paperwork.
I think there may be some confusion in this thread between marriage contract and marriage license lol.
Dear LGB Drop The T losers
You played yourself, they were never concerned about “my kind” appropriating “your kind”, they were never after us, they were always after you, we were just in the way.
First they came for the communists.
When you sell yourself out as a lapdog, don’t be surprised if you end up reaping what you sow.
First they came for the Trans people…
They were after all of us. We wouldn’t’ve been spared by not being in the way
By being “in the way”, I mostly mean society had moved on from “The Gay Debate” and was now onto the “Trans Debate”
The Conservatives needed to end the “Trans Debate” in their favor, even if by force moreso than actual public opinion, before they could turn back time to undo the “Gay Debate” ended in a way they didn’t like
You would have been stronger together, though.
That’s why most of us have stood together yes
Imagine being so gay that you sit around thinking about gay sex.
I don’t have to imagine it
What office are you going to run for?
I dunno something gay
Office of missionary for the sole purpose of procreation probably
Chairman of the Federal Department of Cum Guzzling
DOGE?
DOGE?
Department Of Guzzling Ejaculate? Explains why they’ve got Big Balls working there. Somebody’s got to be the supply side.
My god. If Elon could read he’d be dead from that one.
So, Focus on the Family?
many of the the gop men are in sham marriages anyways, they have to project somehow.
This but unironically.
