Rage 2022 in Cleveland.
Which one of the 2 buildings was this in?
RoMoFiHo
Why are all of their songs still relevant 30 years later?
Because the problems they raged about are systemic, and the system didn’t change.
It did change, though. It got significantly worse.
Because humans are fucking stupid and history always repeats itself.
All of this has happened before, and all of it will happen again.
Until conservatives and authoritarians stop getting their way.
Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.
The problem with this quote is that everyone thinks they’re the strong men. In other words, it’s mostly useless rhetoric that doesn’t really identify the problem.
A few weak men are indeed making very hard times
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“The Wheel of Time turns, and Ages come and pass, leaving memories that become legend. Legend fades to myth, and even myth is long forgotten when the Age that gave it birth comes again. In one Age, called the Third Age by some, an Age yet to come, an Age long past, a wind rose above the great mountainous island of Tremalking. The wind was not the beginning. There are neither beginnings nor endings to the Wheel of Time. But it was a beginning.”
So say we all.
The problems are systemic and the humans in the system are incentivized to perpetuate the system.
Its not stupidity.
Humans or Americans?
Because those that work forces are still the ones that burn crosses
Because nobody actually listened to and took seriously what they were saying 30 years ago.
Fun fact: After 9/11, various songs evoking 9/11, such as ‘Learning to Fly’ by Tom Petty, ‘Stairway to Heaven’ by Led Zeppelin, ‘It’s the End of the World as we Know it’ by REM … all banned from airing for about 120 days.
Oh.
And literally everything from Rage Against the Machine.
Other fun fact about this?
This censorship wasn’t done by the FCC.
It was done by ClearChannel, aka iHeartRadio, aka, the corporation that now owns or controls basically all terrestrial radio stations.
https://www.kerrang.com/here-are-the-164-songs-that-were-banned-from-american-radio-after-9-11
Warpigs is still banned by Clearchannel
Wow.
I did not know that.
Hooray for the enshittified cyberpunk dystopia.
The same reason socialist theory is still relevant 150+ years after it started
Because things have gotten worse in the intervening 30 years?
Good example:
Renegades Of Funk
https://tidal.com/browse/track/23682737?uThat one’s a cover actually! It’s even older :P
The original is very different than that RATM version (as expected), but very good as well.
I didn’t know they were so WoKe!!
I preferred them when they weren’t so political.
/S obviously haha. I’m currently cutting a stencil that says “Nazi lives don’t matter” to make some shirts.
lol
Drove all the way to NYC to see them with Run the Jewels after the pandemic. 100% worth it, one of the best shows I’ve ever been to.
Tim Commorford is weird to watch though. He kinda hops awkwardly from foot to foot.
It’s so disappointing to hear Killer Mike spit revolutionary lyrics like in ‘close your eyes’ only to find out IRL he’s into lame shit like black capitalism.
Yeah. The music still slaps though.
RATM’s bassist is into some weird fringe right-libertarian stuff too if I recall
Nobody’s perfect 🤷♂️
or they changed. 30 years is a long time.
their debut was released
- 3 years after the fall of Berlin wall
- a year after the dissolution of USSR
- 9 years before the September 11 attacks
- 15 years before iPhone
- 24 years before the election of a reality tv entertainer/real estate conman as POTUS
- China wasn’t a superpower back then
- EU didn’t exist in its current form
- Apartheid was still an actuality
- internet wasn’t omnipresent
Apartheid was still an actuality
So you’re saying nothing’s changed?
Nothing’s changed.
South African Blacks 40 years ago had it no worse than they do today.
anybody from South Africa to reply to this?
or is this about the apartheid in Israel/Palestine?
How was China not a superpower then?
They were easily a superpower since before they were backing Vietnam and Korea in our shitty wars with them.
China’s GDP was lower than Canada’s. Economic strength is not the only factor of a superpower, but it’s significant. It’s hard to project power effectively without sufficient wealth to fund those efforts.
Fair enough. How many resources did the US waste in Vietnam and Korea fighting someone who was not a so called superpower?
Quite a lot. The US did the same thing in Iraq and Afghanistan too. Who cares about who the enemy is or how many people die if they military industrial complex is making bank?
A country doesn’t need to be a superpower to project some power, but very few rise to the level of global hegemony. I think China is probably in the superpower tier today. The belt and road initiative is classic economic hegemony shit.
In 1944, during World War II, the term was first applied to the British Empire, the Soviet Union, and the United States. During the Cold War, the British Empire dissolved, leaving the United States and the Soviet Union to dominate world affairs. At the end of the Cold War and the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991, the United States became the world’s sole superpower, a position sometimes referred to as that of a “hyperpower”. Since the late 2010s and into the 2020s, China has increasingly been described as an emerging superpower or even an established one, as China represents the “biggest geopolitical test of the 21st century” to the United States, as it is “the only country with enough power to jeopardize the current global order”.
only to find out IRL he’s into lame shit like black capitalism.
Does it mean something other than what is here, or did I miss something offensive in skimming through the entry?
This isn’t one of those lame “now they are the machine” posts is it?
Killer “pro-cop” Mike?
I saw them in Cleveland on that tour. Zach had hurt his foot so he sat on the monitor speaker the whole time, but the rest of the guys made up for it.
I paid a LOT of money to get good tickets, and it was 10000% worth it. I’d never seen rage live and figured I might not get to again, so spend the money. Also I’m an rtj fan.
I was at the Chicago show where he hurt himself going pretty hard.
Actually got it on video too
After he sat down for the rest of the set he sounded amazing. Great show.
Whoa that’s crazy you caught it.
Props to him for not breaking his flow, a true professional.
But also, Zach you’re not a spring chicken anymore, gotta dial it back some!
Yeah, I think the Madison Square Garden show was one of the last ones they did, Zach was hobbled up good for it.
Super worth it though, I was in the same boat. Show had been rescheduled 3 times but we committed lol
We cannot accurately judge your dedication until you tell us from where you drove to NYC. New Jersey and Anchorage have very different weights here.
Honolulu
I wish they hadn’t canceled the show here in Seattle. Zack broke his arm and since they are old, he wanted to take time to let it heal. I waited three years from the initial scheduled show for it to be canceled.
Nazi lives matter a little. You can tally them up to keep score.
That still only counts as one!
That’s why you take the ears to help count.
300 nazi scalps
Reply to when someone luigis musk
Save a life, punch a nazi
30 years later and more relevant than ever… That’s not a good thing. Continue to rage.
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killing in the name of
now you do what they told you
By the time drag is old and feeble, drag will be surrounded by loved ones and not want to go out that way. Average happiness goes up with age.<br>
This is how the good die young, isn’t it
I’m going to my states senate office on Monday with a megaphone and will not leave until the police are called. I’m going to write out what I want to say because I’m too heated to speak freely. Naysayers need not reply.
I’m going to my states senate office on Monday
Monday is Presidents day, are you sure they’ll be open? I know a couple state employees and they have the day off. This could vary by state and office I guess. I’m just saying maybe check the website or something.
They were open! It wasn’t just me there either. 🤘
RATM supported Sendero Luminoso.
Fuck RATM.
The Shining Path has been widely condemned for its excessive brutality, including violence deployed against peasants, trade union organizers, competing Marxist groups, elected officials and the general public.[2]
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The Shining Path’s retaliation to this was one of the worst attacks in the entire conflict, with a group of guerrilla members entering the town and going house by house, killing dozens of villagers, including babies, with guns, hatchets, and axes. This action has come to be known as the Lucanamarca massacre.[39] Additional massacres of civilians by the Shining Path would occur throughout the conflict.[26][40][41]
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American rock band Rage Against the Machine released a music video for their 1993 song “Bombtrack” as a response to the arrest of Abimael Guzman the previous year. The video expresses support for Guzman and the Shining Path, featuring various clips of the organization’s activities, as well as showing the band in a cage to mimic Guzman’s imprisonment.[145]
Every life matters, and the reason we cannot make progress is because people who think they are ‘good’ are shunning and actively casting away people with less than desirable traits.
Nazis suck, racists suck, bigots suck, but they weren’t born that way. Their lived experience led them to the place they are in. How do you get them out? Practice what you are preaching: compassion.
Edit: this comment here explains my point better than my own https://ponder.cat/comment/1872062
Every life matters
You started from a faulty assumption. Nazi lives don’t matter.
Did Abimael Guzman’s life matter?
I have to look him up on Wikipedia, so he doesn’t really matter to me. He’s not a Nazi though, so maybe?
Sorry it’s just the way it is with Nazis. The only good one is a dead one. Just accept it.
Guzman has the blood of Peruvian peasants on his hands.
Ok but we’re talking about Nazis, and the principle stands.
No, you’re missing an entire level here. Racists suck, bigots suck but Nazis? Nazis round up people and gas them to death and then stack the bodies in the dirt like cord wood. It’s a different level.
Have compassion for Trump guys. He’s having a rough go of it lately.
Nowhere in my comment was Trump mentioned. I don’t like him either. The concept of hurt people hurt people still applies though
Hahahaha! No! Not with neo-nazis. Look with racists and bigots I’ll agree, try compassion first. I’ve done that and for most racists and bigots I’ve confronted it has worked. I didn’t change them to be a champion of minorities but usually I can convince someone to behave nicer. Neo-nazis on the other hand are not just regular racists and bigots who say terrible things but don’t actually do anything. Neo-nazis are the extreme and if they’re an adult regardless of their life experience they know what they’re saying is wrong. So no, I have no compassion and will never have compassion for an adult who is a neo-nazi. Period.
I’m glad to see that the strategy of compassion has worked for you in some cases. It’s a nuanced topic, but I firmly believe that if we want to be progressive & inclusive we need to adopt a mindset of ‘no man left behind’.
Again, it’s nuanced and it takes a lot of effort. Perhaps I am oversimplifying things too much, on the other hand, I think that we will not be better off by casting out anyone.
You have a big heart, and that’s a good thing. I could not disagree with you more. ‘No man left behind’ is a noble code to live to but I think that following it to an absolute sense defeats it’s purpose. ‘No man left behind’ to me means anybody on my team is never alone. The key is they have to be on my team and in this case everyone who isn’t a nazi is on my team. Neo-nazis have made real threats against people who I’m on the same team with and I would be leaving them behind if I didn’t oppose neo-nazis. If it comes to it, yeah Nazi lives don’t matter.
I’m not saying hunt them down and kill them. I’m saying take the ones who have actually done terrible things, put them in prison. Tell them to either grow up and change, or stay behind bars until they’re so insignificant that there’s no need to hold them anymore or until they die naturally. Holding neo-nazis accountable shouldn’t be controversial. If that requires taking their life I won’t shed any tears, but that is absolutely a last resort.
Thanks for your insight. I should have made clearer in my original comment that me saying that all lives matter does not equate to ‘Neo-nazi’s should walk free’. If the life of you or a person you care about is in immediate danger, then obviously that threat needs to be dealt with accordingly. We actually agree on pretty much everything.
I think for me the difference for now is in the recognition that while we as a civilization seem to be heading towards big trouble, most of us privileged enough to sit and type comments on an online discussion forum are not in actual immediate physical danger. It is therefore useless to me to think about crossing the line of taking lives, either for me or by me.
All I wish for is that when it is all said and done, we can all focus on improving lives, instead of ruining them. There is a lot of work that needs to be done before that though…
23 nazis disagree with this lol
Fuck Nazis
Here’s the introduction (aka “Pillar I”) to the plan currently being implemented: https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf
Some highlights:
From page 20 of the project: “Vought (officially in charge of OMB after being confirmed recently) writes that the White House Office of Management and Budget (OMB) should establish a “reputation as the keeper of ‘commander’s intent,’””
From page 21: " In Chapter 1, former deputy chief of staff to the President Rick Dearborn writes that the White House Counsel “must take seriously the duty to protect the powers and privileges of the President from encroachments by Congress, the judiciary, and the administrative components of departments and agencies.”
Page 28: “When a new President takes office, he will need to decide expeditiously how to handle any major ongoing litigation or other pending legal matters that might present a challenge to his agenda”…“, the President should hire a counsel with extensive experience with a wide range of complex legal subjects. Moreover, while a candidate with elite credentials might seem ideal, the best one will be above all loyal to the President”
Page 32, regarding the office of presidential personnel (DOGE): “Playing “bad cop” in a way that other White House offices cannot (including serving as the office that takes direct responsibility for firings and hirings).”
They need to release one new song, it would be appropriate. Don’t let the fascists win.
