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I’m guessing they’re doing it because A) they keep playing “the nice guy”, B) they want a precedent for their next possible administration, or C) all of the above.
What precedent? McConnell already set that in stone. And Gingrich before that.
D) they are spineless cowards and don’t want trump to put is crosshairs on them
I get the sneaking suspicion that all the “but both parties are the same people” are going to end up kind of right – but maybe not in the way they thought.
From my vantage point, there is only rich vs poor. Any other ideological divide either a) has been worsened by rich vs poor, or b) was invented to keep attention away from rich vs poor, à la divide and conquer.
Lol. “Kind of right”. Rich vs poor. Yeah. Same thing dude. Most dems and Republicans get more money while in office. Not 2 times or 3 times. No hundreds of thousand or more. There are a few better than the rest but all of our politicians who can make waves are owned by an outside party with an agenda.
OSCAR W. UNDERWOOD (Nov 8th, 1964) – Senator Underwood was a top contender for the Democrat presidential nomination in 1924. However, he obeyed his conscience by speaking out against the Ku Klux Klan, one of the Democrat Party’s most powerful forces.
His courageous stand cost him the presidential nomination and then his senate seat
not a democracy, and that was so for long at this point
Recall them all. Democrats refuse to learn and won’t step down, recalls are our best shot at getting non-corrupt representation.
Wonder how that would work
I would love to see their reaction to that happening
But we don’t have the MAJORITY, everything is supposed to be THEIR FAULT!
IT’S IN THE PLAYBOOK!
What horses do these morons think they’re trading?
They’re trading magic beans
Christ, I’m just hearing that Curb Your Enthusiasm music all the time. Imagine a slow zoom on Schumer’s goofy look up there along with…
I’m only donating to progressives, notably AOC.
I’ve unsubbed from most Democratic lists.
“They didn’t do tricks to delay” is now turned into “helping”. JFC is this what people are down to just to say “but but but dems bad!”
You can’t be neutral on a moving train. If they aren’t even delaying the fascist they’re helping.
I’m not interested in torching democrats either, but their reliance on the patience of progressives has to come back and bite them somehow. We are all watching the right move with lightning speed and wondering why the Democratic party ever convinced us the same couldn’t be done for progressive policy.
convinced us the same couldn’t be done for progressive policy.
Trump is pulling blatantly illegal shit and you’re wondering why the Dems don’t do the same thing when they’re in office???
Bonus round: It’s easy to burn things down. Any fucking moron can burn things down. It’s not easy to build things up. In fact, it’s very, very, very hard to build things.
That is the conundrum. Stake your claim in norms and legality while your opponent steamrolls everything to the delight of a generation of people who’ve lost all patience and you’ll always lose. How do you fight that?
He doesn’t want to. He wants everyone to be happy when no one fights it.
Burn the fucking ICE down then. Or simply prosecute Trump and put him in jail.
It’s over either way. While there may be a way out of this, it’s not going to be with the current dems, and very likely not a peaceful way either.
As much as the current situation is fucked, a normal country (under Dems) needs some level of ICE. So no they can’t burn down ICE. And Dems are not the judicial branch. Dems do not decide who goes to prison, the judicial branch does that. This is the same old: Dems are beholden to the truth and rules, and GOP isn’t.
As much as the current situation is fucked, a normal country (under Dems) needs some level of ICE. So no they can’t burn down ICE.
Yes, we didn’t have a normal country at any point prior to March 2003, when ICE was founded.
Cannabis is still schedule I. Democrats do tricks to delay when they want to.
Hello ensign crab! Where did I say in this comment anything about Cannabis? lol. But to address what you brought up, it’s working its way through the courts last I heard. Which, drumroll please, is not the Dems lol.
Hello ensign crab! Where did I say in this comment anything about Cannabis?
When you said that Democrats don’t do tricks to delay. Biden did just that when he waited out the clock on cannabis rescheduling.
But to address what you brought up, it’s working its way through the courts last I heard.
A new lie. Neat.
They’ve also been voting yes to confirm some of them. So yeah they continue to be utterly useless
Actually yeah. They need to do everything they can to keep these fascists from enacting their agenda. The right did it to Obama when he tried to get Merrick Garland on the supreme court. The Dems should do the same thing.
Fuck Merrick Garland he was Republican challenge that they thought Obama won’t dare to nominate. When he did they still blocked him.
If he didn’t delay investigation into trump while being AG, perhaps he would be in jail right now.
Bullshit. He didn’t delay jack shit.
I don’t know why this myth gets perpetuated by people who clearly were not paying attention.
Didn’t he wait until 2023 or at least until mid 2022 before he started anything?
- He walks into his office late January, 2021.
- They immediately begin what is literally the largest criminal investigation and prosecution in the DOJ’s history, going after Jan 6th insurrectionists.
- They continue getting confessions, plea deals, and building a bottom-up investigation that builds corroborating evidence
These under the constraints of:
- Federal judges including SCOTUS stacked with Trump-appointed corrupt judges.
- Garland going up against an organized crime syndicate with an entire party and propaganda apparatus and effectively unlimited money to put up in defense.
- A jury pool almost impossible to be untainted while Defense need only convince 1 idiot on the jury.
- By 2022, the Congressional Jan 6th hearings went all the way through summer and into October. If you’re Garland, you observe and gather more evidence because why not? Just keep strengthening the case. You’ll need it.
- Garland hands off to Jack Smith literally the day after Trump formally files to run for President again (again, to avoid technicalities on conflict of interest).
- As late as 2023, Smith gets massive testimonies from the likes of Trump’s Chief of Staff, Mark Meadows. Valuable enough to grant immunity.
It seems very obvious to me that this was a classic bottom-up case you see similar to RICO cases in white collar or organized crime syndicates. Garland had to ensure his case was extremely tight given the nature of going after a former President and the courts.
Let’s instead blame:
- The courts who were ones proven to actually obstruct.
- The voters who many saw what happened and still chose to sit out or still vote for the felon.
I’d rather he have done it right and not get a verdict than rush it and Trump gets vindicated by a technicality or a Not Guilty.
I know a lot of people are frustrated, but using Garland or Smith as the scapegoat makes zero sense. Just because it didn’t go as quickly as we as the general public and legal laypersons wished doesn’t mean he delayed. There is no actual evidence he delayed anything. In fact I’ll go so far as to say Garland did everything perfectly and it was pretty much an impossible feat given the cards stacked against him.
If not voting counts as voting, then not delaying counts as helping.
I used to think words meant something too, but it’s clear nobody believes that in the U.S. anymore.
“Delaying” correctly implies that the outcome is inevitable, while not voting is absolutely something that helped Trump win, in the sense that many people who had the power to affect the outcome, and thus keep Trump from taking power, failed to do so.
If you didn’t vote, it’s either because you were either happy or ambivalent about Trump winning.
Personally, I’m much more mad at the idiot non-voters who made Trump and Republican control an inevitability than I am at just about anyone else at this point. As the government stands today, just about anything that the Democrats can do is merely symbolic, as the Republicans have all of the power over the executive, legislative, and judicial branches for at least 2-4 years (assuming we even have elections in the future). Democrats are politically irrelevant, as decided by the voters (and non-voters) back in November.
Always blame the voters and never fight.
Republicans can always block shit when Democrats have a majority. Funny how it never fucking works the other way around.
Are you surprised that people are upset that democratic leadership is once again showing themselves to be completely spineless in the face of rising fascism?
Why are people like you so hellbound to defend any criticism of the party? No one here is saying Democrats are worse than Republicans, they’re just not happy with how obsessed they are with decorum when their opponents are actively trying to force a constitutional crisis.
I voted for Kamala Harris, I’m also exceedingly pissed off at Democrats for decades of thirdway politics, and taking any chance to roll over in the face of opposition.
If we don’t criticize our own party then we’re never going to change, that’s not what the progressive party should be clinging on too. We obviously need to shake up the leadership of our own party or were going to continue seceding control over to fascist.
Not spineless; willingly complicit
Dems who are voting to confirm are every bit as complicit as the MAGAts who are falling in line to
suckvote to confirm.Not-delaying is helping
Nice cope
