This is the very essence of the difference that should exist between a President and a King. From Federalist 69:
The President of the United States would be liable to be impeached, tried, and, upon conviction of treason, bribery, or other high crimes or misdemeanors, removed from office; and would afterwards be liable to prosecution and punishment in the ordinary course of law. The person of the king of Great Britain is sacred and inviolable; there is no constitutional tribunal to which he is amenable; no punishment to which he can be subjected without involving the crisis of a national revolution. In this delicate and important circumstance of personal responsibility, the President of Confederated America would stand upon no better ground than a governor of New York, and upon worse ground than the governors of Maryland and Delaware.
The failure of the Republican party to support this kind of check on Presidential power is why we’re having this crisis now.
“Well, when the president does it, that means that it is not illegal”
– Richard Nixon, 1977.
You’ve had 47 years to do something about this, to be able to hold your leaders accountable, and apparently it wasn’t worth the effort.
I guess the upside is you won’t have to worry about all that wasteful election spending any more. 👍
You don’t understand (or maybe you do but aren’t saying it). The Nixon scandal is what started the modern shitshow as we know it. Nixon’s supporters would be royally pissed that there was no specific media apparatus to fully support Nixon and his shit. They would go on to fight to repeal the fairness doctrine and to start Fox News and the modern propaganda media as we know it.
BTW, a few years ago (during Trump’s first administration or a bit after) they even SAID ‘when the president does it , it isn’t not illegal’ or some slight word difference as a way of signalling their ultimate victory in trying to do what they wanted to have happened during Nixon’s scandals.
Oh, they’ll still allow that spending to show how many votes he gets next time. Like the other dictators do.
I mean, the constitution never said the supreme court has the power of judivial review, the supreme court at the time just grabbed the power, and congress at the time just went along with it. The supreme court only held on to the power because of “norms and traditions”. Today’s congress could simply just pass a resolution declaring the supreme court has no such power, and all that 200+ years of “norms and traditions” is gone. And all the law enforcement, national guard, and military people would just be like “seems legit” and go along with everything trump decrees.
Once again, to no-one’s surprise. Trump loudly claimed he would do this long ago
Choose a felon as President, expect him to commit crimes… enjoy
Dear Americans, where are your protests?
There’s protests in every state. The media is just ignoring them.
You need more disruptive protests.
Americans have been trained to clutch their pearls but that disrupting commerce with protests is wrong and that’s exactly what we’re seeing: complaints but no disruptive action so they are easily ignored.
Too cold outside for Americans to organize en masse. Gotta wait for the spring and summer for them to seriously work together.
There are more people on the streets when a new iphone is released
It is written into their plan, not a surprise at all “ignore the courts”.
This isn’t the failure of the Republican party. This is their victory dance.
Seriously, this has been the Republican wet dream for decades.
Groundwork for a coup by the sounds of it. When the next election is supposed to happen I wonder if he’ll declare martial law due to some invented issue.
Groundwork for a coup by the sounds of it.
GROUNDWORK??!!
That fucking Lizard Peter Thiel fucking rebooted when asked about the popular support for Luigi. The mother fucker had not thought about what happens when we the people get tired of their shit and unite against them. They’ve spent so much time and money dividing us so they can take it all it never occurred that it might backfire.
That blubbering little weasel. “Y-y-you have to find another way.” I think was the line he used. We tried other ways. Those who make peaceful change impossible make violent revolution inevitable. Luigi showed how to fight back with some effect.
Thiel, Yarvin etc., are all so convinced of their own superiority that any actual challenge to their world view/tactics is completely unexpected. They can only comprehend doing violence to people who won’t do anything about it. They get their rocks off over child murderers, and state sanctioned violence, but cry when the people they want to step on show and ounce of spine. It’s pathetic.
There was a former employee of Elon Musk who said that when he stood up to Elon that one time and actually said that his ideas and style are terrible, he said that he never saw a man’s face turn so white so fast, that Musk became super pale (even compared to his normal ultra-pale complexion) and that Musk’s only response was to yell fuck you.
He had no concept whatsoever of anyone, much less someone working for him, to dare question him in any way.
I add the following as evidence of premeditation / conspiracy:
“I think Trump is going to run again in 2024,” he [Vance] said. “I think that what Trump should do, if I was giving him one piece of advice: Fire every single midlevel bureaucrat, every civil servant in the administrative state, replace them with our people.”
“And when the courts stop you,” he went on, “stand before the country, and say—” he quoted Andrew Jackson, giving a challenge to the entire constitutional order—“the chief justice has made his ruling. Now let him enforce it.”
This is a description, essentially, of a coup.
“We are in a late republican period,” Vance said later, evoking the common New Right view of America as Rome awaiting its Caesar. “If we’re going to push back against it, we’re going to have to get pretty wild, and pretty far out there, and go in directions that a lot of conservatives right now are uncomfortable with.”
“Indeed,” Murphy said. “Among some of my circle, the phrase ‘extra-constitutional’ has come up quite a bit.”
Historical note: as far as I understand, president Jackson ignored the Supreme Court in a case of Georgia taking Cherokee lands. Since the state also ignored, the court failed to enforce its ruling.
Fuck these bastards
Dictator
But he said he’d only be a dictator for one day! Are you saying that’s not how dictatorships work?!
“For one day” or “from day one”?
He said the first, but meant the second.
Time to use those guns you’ve been hoarding. Wasn’t that the reason you’re even allowed to have them?
That’s what they claimes. Now they need a new claim
The Democrats disarmed themselves.
Source?
40 years of villifying gun ownership.
I’m a Democrat with dozens of guns, but most Dems I know have been indoctrinated into thinking gun ownership is support of child murder.
gun ownership is support of child murder.
It is, and you’re a limp dick loser for owning them. Its a hobby that routinely leads to school shootings and mass murders, and defending it means you’re either a selfish moron, or a truly evil person.
…But the democratic party hasn’t disarmed anyone. No serious effort to do so ever goes anywhere, and any attempts to regulate guns usually fail or are ineffective. Even when they had a majority, they didn’t ban guns. To think this is something they were ever seriously interested in is silly, and probably a sign you’ve been spending too much time on internet gun communities (which are pretty much all far right conspiracy shit holes)
Nah. That was to support the Russian takeover.
If Thomas Crooks was two inches to the right all of this could have been prevented.
He should have aimed for the chest. It would have been just as deadly. He could have gotten two hits in even before getting shot.
I don’t blame the kid, it wasn’t bad for iron sights under pressure.
The panic firing was a bit of a rookie mistake but he tried.
Are you sure. We would be getting project 2025 with Vance instead. What’s the difference?
Really think they’d have got in without Trump?
Vance would have got in with Trump as a martyr.
Couches would be cheaper?
No, this could have been even worse, because Vance would have been elected in a wave of sympathy.
Crooks happened July 13. Vance was announced running mate July 15. No candidate = no running mate announced.
Also, when the presidential candidate is removed from a race, it does not automatically fall to the their running mate. there is no 25th amendment for election campaigns 🤦
I don’t think so. He has the charisma of a flat tire and it was early enough that any sympathy wave would have lost its momentum by November.
Elon still would have had his lackey hack voting machines
Charisma is not relevant. Do you think Lyndon Johnson had charisma? Do you think that’s why he was elected in 1964? Because people liked him?
Well, he had a pretty big dick, so maybe?
I admit I was not alive at the time, but I’m pretty sure, what with it being the 1960s, that was not the sort of thing the general public was aware of, so I doubt it.
Also, like it or not, Vance was already elected to the Senate and had a bestselling book. Even though you (and I) do not understand it, some people think he has a magnetic personality. Just like they think about Trump, which I also do not understand.
I think they were.
https://short-history.com/lyndon-johnson-penis-nicknamed-jumbo-6eba2f1894fa
Choice quote:
When a journalist asked Johnson to justify the continuation of the Vietnam War (1955-1975), Johnson asked all the women to leave the room, then pulled out his penis, and yelled: “That’s why!”
He also called it Jumbo.
Fun fact: 60s probably had better sex ed than the USA does today too.
Journalists were not the general public. 99% of the country had never personally interacted with him and those things were not reported in the news. They’re after-the-fact anecdotes in books.
I’m also old enough to remember when the press had the collective attitude of “let America think that the president is a good person” regardless of who was in office.
Is it time to petition the military to intervene?
Not yet. Trump saying something horrifying while it not being entirely clear he understands what he’s actually saying or how anything in government is supposed to work is what we call Monday around here.
You don’t want the military intervening they might decide to run things in a manner efficient for the end user instead of the rich people!
Historically, this is not usually the result of the military taking over a country. Usually the general who did the coup becomes the new rich person, thanks to all the political power.
Odds that even one of Trump’s generals would be worse for the country? Most people who make it to that upper eschelon in the military have some sense of duty, honor, a moral compass, and intelligence. There certainly is SOME ‘failing upward’ in the military, but a LOT less than business and politics.
Well yeah, I’m just making bad jokes over here.
Unless they are a person of integrity. Say for instance George Washington, Nicola wanted him to rule, he said nah bro!
We just need the general who removes tyrant trump to be a man who believes in his oath to defend our nations constitution written by we the people, passed down for generations and defended by the blood of those who came before his tenure. I don’t doubt there is such honor still among those who serve. After all it is their oath to defend our construction from enemy’s both foreign and domestic. Our dictator and chief fits both.
Let me tell you the story of the best officers I ever followed into combat. These guys were super sharp, and they were literally rewriting the book while we were fighting. The first guy took money meant for reconstruction and gave it to his Iraqi mistress. The second guy left classified intelligence reports out while dating a journalist.
These guys are human. Expecting super human restraint because of their oath is unrealistic.
I get it, but all it takes is one general with integrity, im sure thats the same odds as finding one in general population. Is it a long shot, maybe. You can still get people to do the right thing for the wrong reasons. A national hero they would become after the dust settled. Not just a footnote in some dictators playbook. Ambition can be a powerful motivator. Even if they decided to take the rains, i doubt they would be doing a worse job than our current admin. Could be wrong though. Our democracy died 30 years ago and has been a charade puppet show for the rich for far too long. What do we have to loose. I think we all know that our elections are over already.
When I was little, long before I had a reason to want it to be true, I had this theory that the Secret Service, which is obviously not a secret, was called that because they had a secret mandate: If the President ever gets really out of pocket and goes for dictator powers, it’s their job to execute him as a traitor.
Anyway, I doubt it’s true, but I’ve been thinking about it a lot lately.
The Praetorian Guard killed some emperors, but that isn’t an official duty of the Secret Service. Of course, it wasn’t an official duty of the Praetorian Guard either.
I feel like the more likely scenario is if someone really wanted to do it, they wouldn’t, but they’d let it happen by inaction if someone else did it.
Oh shit, I didn’t see that shooter.
You just made me hope for a second, you beautiful bastard
i want to do than cross my fingers for this. i wonder what the proper channels really are.
There’s no proper channels for this. Either the military leadership is motivated or they’re not.
how do we motivate them?
My thought: Point out to them that there is no “permanent winner” here in terms of ending violence unless they stop Trump.
The people believing in his agenda are often aimless, and very often extremely violent. See the January 6 rioters, who continued to be aggressive after being pardoned, as well as fringe groups going on the attack now that they think Trump will pardon them. Emboldening them any further may mean years and years of continuing to deal with such violent offenders, AND without the support of experienced FBI staff able to track threats on a national level.
I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic
It’s the domestic part we have to concern ourselves with, and thankfully the Joint Chiefs seem to still think he’s an idiotic shitbag
It’s the domestic part we have to concern ourselves with, and thankfully the Joint Chiefs seem to still think he’s an idiotic shitbag
As a veteran, I remain 100% convinced that the Pentagon has and has always had a plan for “a dictator becomes president.” However, also as a veteran I’m sure there is a very specific checklist of things that must be true for that plan to be activated.
As a low ranking veteran I don’t have any better guess than anyone else what things are on that checklist, but I feel sure it exists, and that if we aren’t seeing them mobilize it’s only because it’s an extreme event and the conditions required to execute on that plan are many.
They might think he’s a shitbag, but I bet they’re not unhappy with him. Unless he threatens to cut their spending?
i think there are still people in power that actually believe in the merits this country was founded on and would stand up to pieces of shit like trump. it’s the only thing i left i have to believe in.
i certainly have no reason to believe that the limp-wristed leftists of social media would ever stand up to anyone about anything.
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This is the step where the cart goes over the top of the hill, you’re not coming back if this starts.
Hard to hear, but if goes forward, this does signal that it’s breaking windows time. We all have a Luigi line, start really considering where yours is…
Especially if you’re young, and they are doing this before you have been able to establish your own career or a family of your own, the rest of the world needs your strength and energy in these moments. Make no mistake, they are threatening you directly, they want to sell your future for a small profit added to the pile they are hoarding. Decide how hard you want to fight against that
Especially if you’re older and know that everything you’ve worked for is at risk. Especially if you’re middle aged and your hope of a comfortable old age is being destroyed. Especially if you have family, and know your children’s future depends on it.
I know you mean well but fuck ageism, the youth always fight. They don’t need a pep talk, older people do.
And then there are the rest of us. Not quite young anymore, but we were robbed of the chance to even have anything to anchor us down. We’ve been squeezed out of the housing market nearly our entire adult lives. We never could justify having a child, perhaps because of money, perhaps because our consciences wouldn’t let us, perhaps because of both. We job-hop every few years already, as it’s the only way we’ve ever received a sizable pay raise.
There is no house, no child, and no job for us to worry about losing. I don’t know about y’all, but I’ve been doing little more than fighting to get by for far too long.
I’m ready to fight for something else.
You ain’t alone.
wanna live forever? do something memorable.
You are not alone, my brother.
I’m ready to fight for something else.
Then do it. Talk is cheap.
Heh. I’m middle aged and the only hope of comfort I’ve ever had for my elder years is chemical. I’m what you call an optimist.
