cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/25133597

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Obligatory, fuck Spez

  • Dragon Rider (drag)@lemmy.nzEnglish
    6·
    3 days ago

    Here are some thoughts:

    Marx said communism is stateless

    The state won’t wither away if you keep defending its right to use force

    The vanguard party must either accept revolution against themselves so that society can become more communist, or become reactionary tyrants

    Modern Russia isn’t fucking socialist, you don’t need to defend it anymore

    State capitalism isn’t socialism. State socialism requires robust democracy

    Every actual successful communist nation that reached communism didn’t have a vanguard state

    Being an enemy of the West doesn’t mean a country inherently deserves your support. That’s how voting works, it’s not how international relations work

    Trump is planning to displace the Palestinians and make Gaza a US colony, and Lemmy’s Marxist-Leninist community tried to help him

    Having a small movement with little power isn’t an excuse for making bad decisions. Take responsibility for your actions

    Drag is not seeking to have an argument about each and every one of these points. Drag is seeking to prove that “tankie bad” is not a thought terminating cliche as you said. Drag has plenty of thoughts, and has already discussed them exhaustively on this platform. And this list of thoughts isn’t an invitation to sealion.

    • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
      12·
      3 days ago

      Of course drag isn’t inviting to sealion, drag is gish-galloping and isn’t interested in any conversation. drag has proven this, from defending Nazi-led pograms as “true revolution” to pretending Marx was an Anarchist and wanted full decentralized horizontalism, rather than full centralization and democratization as industry gets ever more complex.

      drag is therefore either uninterested in genuine conversation, or is a troll.

    • umbrella@lemmy.ml
      5·
      3 days ago

      Marx said communism is stateless

      every type of leftism that im aware of except for social democrats want to achieve a stateless society. to be fair im not sure if social democrats can even be considered leftists.

      • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
        5·
        3 days ago

        Different leftists have a different idea of what constitutes the “State” and what “Statelessness” looks like. For Marxists, the State is the oppressive elements of class society like millitarized police and armies that can only go away once the world is fully publicly owned and planned, and becomes classless. Anarchists however have an issue with hierarchy, rather than class, and want full decentralization and horizontalism. For a Marxist, Anarchism isn’t “stateless” as it retains class distinctions (each commune is interested in its own success), Anarchists obviously would see Marxism as not truly stateless.

        This difference is why a lot of conversations go nowhere between some Marxists and Anarchists.

        • umbrella@lemmy.ml
          1·
          3 days ago

          i generally lean ML, but both of these are stateless to me? isnt this really about horizontal vs hierarchical power?

          • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
            5·
            3 days ago

            If we are to agree with Engels, Communes (or cooperatives) consist entirely of Petite Bourgeoisie, unless there is no interaction outside said commune. Trade between communes implies each commune wishing to get more out of the trade, which implies differences in material wealth in communes that can then escalate into Capitalism. It isn’t what we think of as a State, but some form of armed millitia must be maintained to enshrine ownership within a commune, and not outside it, ergo a state enforcing class distinctions.

            Really, though, I think the term “stateless” brings ideological baggage rather than logical. What’s important is the structures themselves, not how we wish to label them. Conversations around “true” Communism or whatnot inevitably fall into ideological debate based in idealism, rather than a logical analysis of material conditions.