Let’s do a little experiment:
- Tankies are horrible
- Nazi’s are horrible
- The US is horrible
- Russia is horrible
- China is horrible
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Grammar and spelling nazi’s are a necessary evil for the good of the web.
There’s that pesky apostrophe again!
Two kinda people I wanna punch.
One is Nazis the other is people who use an apostrophe to pluralize.
Your right, i completely agree with you’re pov
Hot sugar: Their are to kinds of people
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I like concision: people are horrible.
:P
and Nazis
People are fine. Hierarchy turns man into monster. Destroy the hierarchy, destroy the beast.
Extending to the political party specifically for Germany, but not the others; could be worth doing that.
Like, EVERY country has its good people that hate the horrific actions of its administration. It can cause issues and paint xenophobia if you don’t identify and shame the bad actors. Instead, you get Chinese people that live in poverty thinking America hates all of them for having thin eyes.
Better thing to say imo: fuck Republicans and the CIA, fuck Putin, fuck the CCP.
I agree with all the above
Yes
I experience the opposite. Whenever I criticise US government, I get attacked by hordes of cringy Americans.
I must say I had a pleasant conversation on workers’ rights in the US recently on c/technology (lemmy.world). By pleasant I mean “not being insulted because I live in France and workers do have rights so I’m a red commie” pleasant.
For the majority of Americans, as long as you are a pleasant person, you will have pleasant conversations, even if it’s about a disagreement.
A. This leads to politeness fetishists and tone policing. If someone says something offensive like “we should remove LGBT+ books from schools,” I’d rather shoot myself than speak nicely to that person.
B. This has not been my experience with my fellow Americans at all. I even saw a mod from lemmy.world post mod-flaired horseshit in their politics community about how “The US is not a racist country.” Fuck that.
🤷♂️ then you’re talking to different people than me idk what to tell ya
Your instance is literally swarming with liberal transplants from reddit, so now you’re just being disingenuous.
I live in the midwest, and I’m surrounded by polite fascists. Fuck politeness, and fuck this racist nation.
Then don’t complain when people respond in kind…
If they have dogshit opinions about LGBTQIA people or immigrants to begin with, what’s rudeness on their part going to do? Lol
Their opinions and lives already lack any value.
Edit: Just noticed this guy moderates a community filled with bigots that engage in frequent use of an ableist slur, so it looks like this clown is referring to people like himself. “I may be an unhinged bigot, but at least I’m polite so I win!” Just the type of person I’m talking about.
Hi from the autistic guy that is physically unable to understand the rules of „politeness“ and burns out while pathetically trying to mimic them just to look like a creep anyway.
Sorry friend that sounds stressful :(
I’ll give you a politeness pass and if anyone complains tell em to direct all complaints to DillonBrooksEnjoyer
Thanks friend! I liked your other comment as well btw.
hello!
How can we have a pleasant conversation about the murders the American soldiers are committing in the Middle East? How does one be pleasant about murder?
is there any chance you are doing it while spouting Kremlin propaganda? because then there is maybe a time to look in the mirror on this one
Imagine living in the west and genuinely believing that it’s Kremlin propaganda that’s the problem.
More than one thing can be wrong at the same time. The constant whataboutism is exhausting…
The only thing exhausting is people using whataboutism to make false equivalents and avoid genuine discussion. People are subjected to orders of magnitude more US propaganda than Russian propaganda, and it clearly has a much greater effect on public opinion. Thanks to people being indoctrinated into US propaganda, they dismiss legitimate problems as fictional Russian propaganda. The fact that you can’t comprehend this illustrates the problem perfectly.
The constant whataboutism is exhausting…
whataboutism is what hypocrites say when challenged.
Oh it’s this guy again.
Lol
cry ab it
I don’t want to, I hate getting a runny nose :(
Imagine thinking any large state isn’t constantly injecting propaganda into the Internet. Couldn’t be me.
Not what I said though was it? What I said was that people in the west are subjected to orders of magnitude of western propaganda, and perhaps should worry about that first. Russian media is even banned in most of Europe at this point. Chomsky even pointed out recently that censorship in the west now is even worse than it was in USSR.
What I said was that people in the west are subjected to orders of magnitude of western propaganda, and perhaps should worry about that first.
I’m capable of worrying about two things. Perhaps even three on a good day.
Chomsky even pointed out recently that censorship in the west now is even worse than it was in USSR.
Media being bad because capitalism pushes them to do evil to further their own ends is not the same thing as censorship enforced with state violence. These are both bad things, but uniquely bad in their own ways. I’m sad that Chomsky’s age has caught up to him and he can no longer distinguish the two.
I’m capable of worrying about two things. Perhaps even three on a good day.
press x to doubt
Media being bad because capitalism pushes them to do evil to further their own ends is not the same thing as censorship enforced with state violence. These are both bad things, but uniquely bad in their own ways. I’m sad that Chomsky’s age has caught up to him and he can no longer distinguish the two.
It’s incredible that somebody could be so deplorably ignorant to think that US doesn’t enforce censorship with state violence. US tortured Manning and is currently having UK torture Assange for revealing US war crimes. Chapter 10 in this book gives lots of examples of political repression in US where activists have been harassed, arrested, and even assassinated by the state https://archive.org/details/DemocracyForTheFew16147062951821
The only thing you should be sad about is your own ignorance. Maybe instead of claiming that Chomsky can’t distinguish things you should learn about what your regime actually does. Just a thought.
When people talk about censorship, they usually mean of media. Yes, I’m aware that the US government is an evil institution that targets activists and whistleblowers. You’ll never believe me, but I actually despise my government and nearly every person in it. However, authoritarian regimes also strike down those people, but additionally censor the media on top of it. So to say that state censorship is worse here and now is just asinine. There’s no need to make things up to seem worse than they are when they’re already very bad, it just leads to people swinging at ghosts.
Anyone that disagrees with the US government is spouting Kremlin propaganda. Riiiiight…
You are a joke.
Anyone that disagrees with the US government is spouting Kremlin propaganda. Riiiiight…
I mean, if you take what I said and completely change it, I can see why you might be upset at that. Though I would encourage you to reply to what I actually said.
You are a joke.
I am indeed a very funny guy, it’s a bit creepy that you know that though.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
There should be a bot that posts this link whenever the phrase “kremlin propaganda” is mentioned. Maybe then you’ll learn.
goes on an anti-tankie post Comments that his posts are always dogpilled by the most anti-tankie group. Claims ad hominem when someone points it out.
:)
Is it wrong to engage in a conversation with people we disagree with?
Would you rather have us segregate based on our opinions?
I merely posited that you might be getting into arguments because you have drank the Kremlin propaganda, but from your posts I see it’s more that youblike to defend the Chinese government for some reason or at least like to do “a Whatabout the USA”
also I am not sure you ubderstand what ad hominem is, it’s attacking the person saying it rather what the person is saying, if I were to say “you are spouting Kremlin propaganda” would be the exact opposite since I would be “attacking” what you are saying not who you are.
hope that helps
A lot of americans and some other westerners always assume that anyone who disagrees with them must be infected with Russian/Chinese/(insert bogeyman) propaganda.
Whereas the truth is that the Western civilization is on a murder spree and the rest of us who are not Westerners are disgusted by it.
Many tankies will start with an “America Bad” take and then run from there. Believe me, a lot of leftists are ready to hear criticisms of the US government, or really any state.
Little do people know everyone is shit and your personality that is only based on ideologies makes you look like a moron. Yes we know there is unfairness in the world. But any “ism” won’t fix it.
Doomerism be like:
“Yes we know absolute monarchs, unequal access to justice, oppression and the dumb wars they get us into are unfair, but no ‘democracism’ will fix it”
It takes a very basic knowledge of history to understand why this argument is shit.
That’s weird considering America’s favourite pass time is to bitch about how shitty our government is
Lol yeah, I’m confused by this. Our government is a fucking mess right now!
lemmy devs are actually pretty good at not forcing their ideology on others
A CAPITALIST SPY
GET HIM
It is way easier to get banned on reddit for a lot less than a slight not conformist opinion. Here they downvote you, stop. And i talk about real controversies.
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Sounds like this might not be place for you, why don’t you take a hint and go back to reddit instead of whinging here.
Glad to see you get your ass handed to yourself by others for a change. Has been a couple of days. How have you been?
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Great, innit?
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This place is an echo chamber in places like fuck cars and the socialist subs
What aspect of fuckcars do you consider an echo chamber?
There’s over a dozen socialism communities, if you find one to be an ‘echo chamber’ then I’d suggest seeking another. I’d imagine the socialism community on Beehaw would have a completely different vibe to the one on Lemmygrad, as an example
Was banned for what I can tell was pointing out that lemmy instances do not protect privacy at all
This is common knowledge though, wouldn’t be surprised if the mods were sick of the same discussion being created over and over again by various users. Something federated - designed to be open, decentralised, unrestricted, cannot be inherently privacy friendly.
If your privacy threat model brings you to an ideological disagreement with federated networks, it would be reasonable to consider moving to an alternative platform IMO.
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🥷 There is no public modlog at the bottom of the page 🥷
Uh huh. I’m already banned from some lemmygrad community. I don’t give enough of a shit to learn the name of it.
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Yeah but they haven’t built in communism… yet.
I’d be ok though if it were the Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism though.
I thought tankies were adult fans of Thomas the Tank Engine.
Chooooo chooo 🚂🚃🚃🚃
I’m personally a Maglevie 🚅🚋🚋🚋 floaty zoom zoom
Found the diesel
c/bitchimatrain
Yes
Wow someone actually made Thomas into a literal Tank engine 😭
That’s Soviet MBV-2, two were made in Kirov manufacturing plant in Leningrad in 1936-37, though i guess the transformation of one of them into a Thomas was post war development (second one is preserved in museum).
those are foamers
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reddit will delete this comment cuz they’re controlled by China but fuck the CCP!!!
same energy
I got banned from one of the communities for simply saying I thought both socialism and capitalism won’t work without more nuance and blending.
I always figured the snowflakes were really the far right… But no, it’s both extremes, apparently.
If you can’t examine real world examples of your philosophy critically, you’ve no business in the debate. Tankies aren’t willing to hear about the flaws apparent in the system any more than your average thin blue bootlicker will.
I say this as someone who makes guillotine “jokes.” Definitely jokes.
The political spectrum is a circle. Extremists might latch on to different BS but personality types of extremists on all ends are essentially the same. Loud hateful aggressive assholes lacking the intelligence to understand nuance.
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Perfect example above of not being able to read or understand nuance.
Yea, that’s more of a self-report on your end if you can’t comprehend nuance and think absolute rejection of classist hierarchy and absolute adherence to classist hierarchy** are the same positions**.
Extremists might latch on to different BS but personality types of extremists on all ends are essentially the same.
If you tried actually reading, you would have noticed how I in fact said the exact opposite. I never claimed they were the same, I specifically mentioned they may latch on to different things/positions. What I said instead was that they had the same personality type.
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No actually I am most definitely correct. You are either just too biased to accept it or can’t separate viewpoints from personality types and behaviours.
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There we go, perfect example of extremists making discriminatory statements and unable to engage in discussion. I care about politics plenty, I just don’t subscribe to one dimensional propaganda not supported by data.
Protip: attacking everyone who doesn’t share your extremist and hateful views doesn’t really make you look any better or change their mind. But I do get it gives you an outlet to be channel all your hate and blame others when you are just too dumb to understand nuance.
It appears the leftists would like you to stop saying unkind things about them. I guess it’s good we’re not in one of their specific communities, eh?
Way to prove the meme right, extremists.
The extremes of each ideology are surprisingly similar my friend
I honestly had no idea before I came to Lemmy.
I actually really enjoy a lot of the facets of socialism and communism… Most people would easily mistake my independent political position as “left”, especially since I strongly oppose the current GOP.
But here in Lemmygrad, I am apparently quite the villain for suggesting some extremist, far-left policies are toxic.
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Socialism is just democracy extended into the workplace. Saying pure socialism won’t work is arguing against democracy.
I will always argue against pure democracies. People are not invested enough to provide a coherent opinion on 100% of the solutions our societies require for survive and thrive.
A vote over the use of chemicals for water treatment could easily end in their permanent ban. Hell, with the right malicious intent, someone could easily get dihydrogen monoxide banned from crop fields.
A pure democracy is how Idiocracy becomes a reality. Now, a mix, such as a republic electing the careful use of democratic socialism… Sure!
That isn’t how it works. It’s like if you’re a part of a cooperatively run business, then you get equal say in workplace practices. There isn’t a ‘boss’ dictating the rules to you.
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The definition of socialism is workers owning the means of production. That means democracy in the workplace. Worker’s councils. Equal representation. Majoritarian politics.
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You should read the other comments below mine where another guy said the same thing.
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I think people confuse “liberal society” with “liberal capitalism” and think if you have 100% socialism then you don’t even own a toothbrush or something
Everything that doesn’t conform to my ideology is CIA propaganda.
The CIA isn’t all that bad. It’s run by raccoons forming a shadow government.
I see this one FAR too often.
The US controls gigantic parts of the information/entertainment space: movies, music, social networks, YouTube, TV, even their politics is a keyfabey circus for the rest of the world. American propaganda is literally everywhere.
It’s an image of consumption and individualism above even self preservation, so deeply internalized that Americans and perhaps half of the rest of the world don’t notice. Sometimes it feels like the US lost its mind in 9/11 and started hurting itself in confusion but it was never a “smart player” in the world, just a narcissistic bully.
It’s not necessary for the CIA to be involved because it’s literally superliminal and grotesque at this point in time. The US throws its weight all around the world and is brutish and callous with its “use of force”, which means murdering people (and destroying property, oh they love them some property) in case there’s people in this thread that are lost in so many layers of euphemisms and irony.
Americans need to deal with this instead of becoming defensive and recurring to whataboutism. Yes, China and Russia are horrible and murderous in their own ways and at a different scale, but one must not use them to avoid self reflection.
Why are the libs so hung up on criticizing socialists? If you don’t like this forum then go back to reddit.
I’m a socialist but not a tankie. Criticizing tankies!= criticizing socialists
Yeah thinking criticizing Tankies is the same as criticizing socialism is tankie behavior
!= means not equals. usually usted by programmers
Classic tankie behaviour - > rather Clankie
That isn’t how Lenny works, though. Anybody can fire up an instance for any type of community. They could be pro-socialist, anti-socialist, liberals, Nazis, goldfish fanciers…you name it. If you don’t like them, you can defederate from them.
For sure totally agree. So why do the goldfish fancies keep making memes making fun of another community? Why don’t they just defederate?
This forum isnt entirely made up of socialists, pretty reddit tier attitude to think that
tankies bad :(
Who gives a fuck what tankies think anyway? That’s like caring about what nazi’s think… If they disagree with you, you’re probably doing something right!
Tankies do generally believe in things like universal healthcare and elimination of homelessness.
Just don’t ask them how some of them were eliminated.
Nah.
Communists are social democrats who just haven’t heard of social democracy.
Tankies are authoritarians who just like to masquerade under a less edgy ideology, communism in this case.
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Uh the nation of Finland with its tiny itsy bitsy army would like to have a word.
Or Sweden, renowned for its centuries old tradition of US-dependency, especially their reliability on air assets to upkeep sovereignty.
Simple as.
That… proves what they said
If you have any knowledge at all from the countries in question or the world in general, you would’ve understood the sarcasm. Now you just prove you have no idea what you are talking about.
Finland has a massive army and Sweden is renowned for its air power. These are not secrets, but well-known facts that even slightly educational people know. Unlike you.
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I think I’m being trolled here but if you actually don’t know about the concepts of finlandization or Sweden’s neutrality I have no clue how you can keep a straight face lying
You have no idea what socialism is whatsoever, do you?
I do. But I find the concept of just “socialism” a bit boring to talk about, due to obvious reasons
If you think any flavour of socialist “just hasn’t discovered social democracy”, then no, you don’t know what socialism is. Any socialist already knows about it, and probably believed in it once, but moved past it after learning that it’s insufficient.
Uh, I think you dont know what socialism is. Read up on it. This comment tree is not about it anyway so please start another one if you want to discuss socialism. Or at least make sure you
A: let everyone know youre going OT
B: know what you are talking about.
Thank you
Most of the time, tankies tell me that I’m automatically a Liberal (the bad version of the word) if I’m a Social Democrat.
You know youre doing good when tankies talk shit on you. I was once DM spammed by a bunch of nazis when I talked shit about it. Fun times and makes me stay on the right lane
Maybe you mistyped, but why on Earth would Nazis defend tankies? The most Nazi deaths in history were caused by the Soviets. Nazis foam at the mouth with rage at the thought of anything to the left of Hitler himself
Sorry mate, I was unclear. The time of DMs I was referring to was when I was talking shit about nazis specifically, tankies weren’t in the vicinity of the discussion. But yeah the two are mortal enemies despite the awkward similarities between the ideologies.
Social democracy is liberal, though
The political definition of liberal generally involves free enterprise. Social Democrats are generally trying to phase out free enterprise towards higher regulation and public good. Social Democrats seek to move society towards socialism nonviolently. That is not really a “liberal” thing by the version of that term generally used by Marxists.
Social democracy is not geared towards socialism. It sounds like you’re thinking of democratic socialism.
If it’s like in my country, tankie will be used to qualify people just slightly left of hardcore liberalism…
Sounds based. Which country is it mate?
France. We don’t use the word tankie. But the government is calling the social-democrat parties extreme left (often adding dangerous), and often talk about them like equal or worse than the extreme right racist (bordering fascist) party.
Ah fuck you dude you tricked me into saying fr*nce is based
They do believe in elimination of homelessness (through forced labor or murder)
Um … Tankies and Nazis often disagree with each other. Are they both doing something right?
Often is kinda underselling it
Tankies and Nazis in the US are both vehemently anti-NATO.
Interestingly for the complete opposite reasons. Tankies think NATO makes profit, Nazis think it’s a wasteful expense.
They are
Fuck tankies but also fuck OP
Looks like OP is going full-blown “I don’t hate the homeless, but…” elsewhere itt
I’d love to see his ass banned again
As someone who has worked extensively with the homeless, I’ve seen quite a few examples of where supposedly anti-homeless takes have been attempts to inject more nuance into discussions than simply being pro- or anti-homeless, both of which are practically meaningless positions.
In this case however, OP just has some awful opinions about people he assumes are homeless. So not really any nuance here, just sugar-coated classism and general bigotry
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What is it about reality tankies can’t handle?
The fact that they are authoritarian and are apologists for state murder.
Are they? Or have you just met some insane people? I’ve been watching a series on the fundamentals of Marxism-Leninism, and see none of that in the theory.
Honestly, here’s a look: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0J754r0IteXABJntjBg1YuNsn6jItWXQ
I once had similar feelings about ML, as a guy with more anarchist leanings. But this series shows the in depth theory behind the movement.
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No, tankie is ML, if you want to be very specific, MLs that like the USSR.
I dont think you understand what tankie means, if you call yourself a tankie you might want to stop.
Why on Earth would I call myself a tankie lmao? I’m not a fan of the USSR, I think they did some bad things, many involving tanks
I’ve been watching a series on the fundamentals of Marxism-Leninism, and see none of that in the theory.
in the theory
of course no one includes genocide in their theory but if you try to apply communist theory to reality you’ll end up with it. so instead of looking at theories start looking at reality
but if you try to apply communist theory to reality you’ll end up with genocide
How? What do you know of the theory?
If something is not part of communist theory, what sense does it make to call it a part of communism?
And yes, genocidal ideologies do in fact have genocide in their theory. Just read anything written by Hitler or Mussolini.
every time it was tried communism failed eventually. it always caused oppression and in extreme cases even genocide. it doesn’t really matter what the theory looks like if that’s the reality
If your cake recipe asks for flour, sugar, milk and eggs, and you decide to use piss instead of milk, and shit instead of eggs, I’m not gonna buy it when people eat your cake and say cakes taste like shit and piss, though I will agree that your particular attempt did.
You also cannot possibly deny the role the US has played in every “failed” socialist project.
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They literally took the existing theory and re-wrote it into Marxism-Leninism and then a state applied the theory.
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the holodomor for example
>the numbers are wrong
>actually the kulaks are responsible
>the ussr is being depicted as bad by western propaganda but it wasn’t that bad
>you’re all brainwashed
they sound just like holocaust deniers
are these “tankies” in the room with us right now?
Not anymore they aren’t.
Fuck tankies, get money
fuck tankies, get money
Fuck tankies, get money
Fuck tankies, get money
Fuck tankies, abolish money (and the state and the class society when we are already on it)
the least deranged westie has logged on
cry harder
It’s amazing the number of tankies and overall left-nuts I’ve found on here. Figures considering the kind of people that frequent FOSS spaces
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