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We have “land of the free” in our fucking theme song how are we fucking that up?
In Human Psychology it’s a pretty well known phenomenon that those who loudly proclaim having certain virtues are the ones less likely to have such virtues.
If you go check the countries whose politicians loudly proclaim as having certain virtues (like being great Democracies or being a land of Freedom) that rule also seems to work pretty well.
A fact sheet on the order promises “immediate action” by the Justice Department to prosecute “terroristic threats, arson, vandalism and violence against American Jews” and marshal all federal resources to combat what it called “the explosion of antisemitism on our campuses and streets” since the Oct. 7, 2023, attack on Israel by Palestinian Islamist group Hamas.
look i hate trunp and gop but what’s wrong with canceling student visa of criminals?
Because the claims are outright lies. Protesting Israel is not antisemetic.
Because Trump paints with an ugly brush and will surely target pro Palestine protesters who didn’t break a law. And this is clearly the government retaliating against free speech and the right to protest.
Every person who crossed the border illegally or overstayed their visa according to Trump is a racist, murdering, drug dealer. Why would these protesters be any different?
Is that even legal. That’s some fucked up shit?
I’ll only allow people to study in the country if they don’t object to Genocide? What the fuck?
Oh Hun, where we’re going laws don’t matter
Is it legal? No. Will it be stopped? I am not holding my breath.
Yes. The narrow case is that if you express support for a designated foreign terrorist organization that is grounds for denying your visa, or revoking your status. So if you are on a student visa and went to a protest wearing a hamas headband and carrying the flag then you’ll end up on a plane out of the US.
Where it gets iffy is the question about people who showed up to a protest and didn’t know or see or agree with the hamas flags being flown there
Despite the Zionist rhetoric, Hamas != Palestine.
Saying “The Palestinians deserve to have a land of their own” is not the same as saying “I support Hamas.”
Yes, but israel pays a lot to conflate the two.
Just like they try to conflate anti Zionism or anti Israeli genocide or apartheid as antisemitism.
Agree. The vast majority of people at those protests do not support Hamas as an organization and certainly not their methods. I simply believe they’ll be accusing people at the rallies that did have Hamas/Hezbollah flags of guilt by association.
He’s trying to get foreigners out of the USA and trying to placate his right wing at the same time.
Honestly, I don’t think getting a student visa cancelled is that bad. There are universities in other countries eager to accept foreign students and the tuition they pay.
Even China has a huge program to attract foreign students. I know people who studied there.
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You realise I literally voted for Harris right?
Not everyone is a monolith.
I can be pro-human rights of palestinians and still vote for Harris…
Also… your comment is incredibly rude.
Your comment is the equivalent of me yelling at you because you’re white and most white people voted for Trump. Just because I’m pro-palestine does not mean I didn’t vote…
Also… your comment is incredibly rude.
Good. I’d like to be rude to the Free Palestine bullshitters who couldn’t rally their cause for Harris. Your subgroup failed us and now we are trapped with Trump.
There are other failures to rally. But Free Palestine was actively protesting at Harris events and breaking unity. And calling Genocide Joe and pushing us to get rid of Joe.
It was incredibly shortsighted for the community to work like this. And now that Trump is fucking those policies up I’ll take my time to spike the football on this matter.
Your reasoning here is the equivalent of blaming everyone who believes we need to do more to fight climate change for the actions of some protestors.
Stop using me as a caricature for something I am not. Its quite dehumanising.
No. My action here is blaming Free Palestine movement for their short sighted protests and Genocide Joe memes.
My only hope is that people see that shit for what it is next time and can actually work for more unity in the next election. We have a two party system. Work with it.
Why not blame Biden and Harris for continuing to fund genocide?
Jesus fucking christ. Why not blame the idiots who abstained? We have a two party system, like it or not. I didn’t care for either candidate, but I still voted for the one who was not LOUDLY advertising their fucking fascism.
yeah folks who could not suck it up and cast one fucking vote wants to blame politicians for not being savy enough with dealing with a democratic process that needs some cooperation from the other party because they think that is so simple. At least they worked to get humanitarian aid and limit the size of munitions going to israel. I hope the folks who don’t vote recognize their inaction is ten thousand times more responsible for what we have not than biden/harris ever was.
Enjoy trying to win an argument next election with your Free Palestine pals all deported.
If you can’t push for improvement you deserve it when culture shifts against you.
What makes you think Harris would have done anything to prevent the next republican doing this in four years. What makes you think she would have ended the genocide?
By doing nothing but actively dunking on people who do real work to resist fascism (unlike democrats) you are alligning yourself with fascists. The democrats have no interest in saving us. Please reconsider. I could say the same shit about you breaking unity with the left by supporting genocide but you were never part of it.
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Is that even legal
I’m not sure in the US, but many countries do put limits on what those on certain types of visas can do. That’s definitely a thing here in Japan, although enforcement for participating in protests and stuff is generally pretty rare it seems.
I’m of two minds about this.
Like. If you’re present in another country on a student Vida you’re essentially a guest and a certain level of respect, and gratitude, I feel, is important for that privilege. Even if the right to protest is guaranteed for that country’s citizens you are not citizens.
That being said I think our shared duty to do the right thing should bear more weight than any sense of obligation or hospitality.
Given the long dick of the US, rising racist sentiment, and the personal risk it takes to put yourself on the line for a greater cause, I think protesting is probably the right thing even if it is kind of rude.
For better or worse activism can be a big part of campus life and I don’t think a culture of fear is conducive to a healthy academic sphere.
When I was in uni I was constantly dodging massive protests / counter protests from Israelis / Palestinians, having lectures interrupted. It annoyed the hell out of me at the time but in hindsight I’m grateful to have lived in a place where people could fight for their views, even if they supported Israel and were stupid dipshits.
Even if the right to protest is guaranteed for that country’s citizens you are not citizens.
Doesn’t the Constitution protect all people in the land, not just citizens?
It’s somewhat tricky, it refers to ‘the people’ or ‘persons’, but some things don’t make sense if you apply it to non-citizens. There’s been cases to establish how it applies in regards to specific amendments, but I haven’t heard of something coming up that definitively established whether that applies for the right to assemble.
2 of my egyptian comrades had to leave the country because the FBI started investigating them for terrorism after they attended and pro-palestinian protest
I remember hearing about a student protester Cornell almost caused to be deported for protesting last year (archived)
Seems like the tactic is to flood federal judges and see which one breaks.
