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The problem of platforms when they become big. Just like cyber criminals lurk on systems used by the mass to exploit. Things can be used for good and for bad. And its often the small portion of bad that ruins it for large majority. Just like the few football hooligans that screw things up for the rest.
Bad intend or behavior is just hard to manage in a free online world. If Elon is hated then Adrian will take over…
This is how smaller communities die. They get infested with state actors and the paradigm shifts on some of the stupidest, dipshit topics.
You are literally reading EU state propaganda in this very post, an article by “kyivinsider” sourcing its information from “alliance4europe”, funded by the European Parliament and the Polish International Affairs ministry among others (according to its own website, feel free to check the link inside the article).
That doesn’t mean that it’s fake news or anything, the report is most likely true, just that it’s really ironic that we’re consuming state propaganda designed to make us worried about state propaganda from other “evil” countries (unlike our glorious EU parliament, not on a fascist downward spiral at all)
Big ones too. Case in point, USA.
I thought I was smelling some more of that over there lately.
Can they not just block these? I get that this is a never ending battle against troll farms and the like, but is BSky already falling to the “more engagement is better and we don’t care if it’s nefarious engagement” trap already?
There are many useful blocklists. But the average user isn’t informed enough to seek them.
I mean for the service to block them or eliminate the troll accounts. Not for the user to do so.
The fucking Russian shills cried on Reddit resulting in permanent bans. They will be here soon enough.
Idiots don’t fact-check, and now we all pay the price. We can leave Twitter, Bluesky, Reddit, whatever—but nothing can stops them anymore.
Keep in mind that state propaganda doesn’t equate misinformation. This very article is western state propaganda (“kyivinsider” using “alliance4europe” as a source for the article), and the report is most likely true. You don’t need to strictly lie or misinform to create state propaganda, you just need to propagate your talking points and direct the public discourse to given topics. We’re very concerned about Russian propaganda (and rightfully so) but, fuck, we’ve been literally supporting a genocide and all the state propaganda from our own western countries was directing ourselves in other direction, maybe we should worry about that too. We’re literally consuming state propaganda right now in this article.
It’s always been there, it’s easier to moderate them out than it is on the alternatives. Would rather still be on bsky/mastodon than whatever the fuck.
Ukrainian source. There is Ukrainian/western warmongering/self diminishing/impoverishing disinformation/narratives, including Ukrainian propaganda reposted verbatim such as this article. All counter narratives are labelled pro-Russian disinformation. Very common on all social media.
I have no idea whether there are some bot accounts on Bluesky, but it would be “not good” if Bluesky’s bans are exclusively against anti-warmongering bots, to promote the Ukrainian/NATO bots/content, which on other social media, have deeply funded “SEO scoring” already.
That’s how you know you’ve made it in social media
“Being infiltrated by Russian bots” is the new “being bought out by Big Tech”, I guess
Man, there’s like no day I don’t see another high quality version of this meme on Lemmy.
How many different upscaled versions do you people have exactly?
This is fuckin’ special, background cut out 16k ultra HD
I have another that I ran through a 16x upscaling model but nothing has called for a 12k x 10k pikachu yet
What about vector pikachu?
yet…
The nuclear block makes it a fools errand
I very much love the Bluesky block. Admittedly I am not there much, but still.
I wonder if they’ll ever notice this place. Like. Before a big election or something.
You are commenting in a post linking to “kyivinsider”, whose article sources its information from “alliance4europe”, this is literally state propaganda. I don’t mean to say it’s disinformation because the content of the article is probably true, but this is evidence that state propaganda is already rampant in Lemmy and we should be aware of it.
Notice this place? Lemmy?
The place made because "Fuck the white supremacist Reddit admins, want me to set up a self hosted one for /r/communism?"That place?
That’s the one!
Well. Sort of.
I swear they’re already here. We got a couple stubborn conservative plants doing nothing but posting disinfo day in and day out. The mods of !conservative@lemmy.world are particularly sus.
LMAO, what a sub… I don’t what I expected going in, but it certainly wasnt a crypto scam as the first post. More like conservative @ my ass
That’s basically what the ml and hexbear instances seem to be. Or at least there’s a lot of them there.
At least this anti-Ukrainian spam seems to get flagged as such in my polish corner of Bluesky. Wondering how long that will last and if we’ll see Jack Dorsey doing fascist salutes on stage too.
As far as I know, Jack Dorsey left Bluesky almost a year ago: https://www.businessinsider.com/jack-dorsey-bluesky-twiiter-nostr-interview-2024-5
His interview on the topic: https://www.piratewires.com/p/interview-with-jack-dorsey-mike-solana
I have to somewhat agree with him that Bluesky is still very much susceptible to turning into Twitter all over again. Right now, it definitely feels like Twitter in its infancy but with all the modern QoL features we expect to have nowadays. Which is nice, of course. Twitter didn’t used to be such a toxic shithole of bots and disinformation, it used to be a powerful communication tool for activism and journalists covering rapidly evolving events live.
However, the endgame of such platforms is inevitable. Higher user saturation means higher operating costs, which then usually means the company has a higher reliance on advertising, which then leads to more algorithms and data mining for targeted ads, which then leads to easier mass political manipulation campaigns.
I’m not sure if it’s actually possible to attract mass audience without an algorithm driven model. Mastodon tried and it’s had some moderate success, but because it’s completely devoid of algorithms, users have a harder time discovering people/accounts/mindless entertainment. That’s the only reason I can think of as to why Bluesky took off so much faster.
Mastodon tried and it’s had some moderate success, but because it’s completely devoid of algorithms, users have a harder time discovering people/accounts/mindless entertainment. That’s the only reason I can think of as to why Bluesky took off so much faster.
I’m sure that’s a factor, but I can think of another reason. Decision paralysis when picking instances and frontends has been cited quite often as a substantial hurdle.
Sure, I can definitely see that as an issue for Lemmy especially. I haven’t used Mastodon in awhile (microblog format doesn’t really appeal to me outside of when I’m looking for sales), but I had thought that the main mobile app defaulted to the biggest instance there. Is that not the case?
apparently, after a recent thread on lemmy and some reading, dorsey left bluesky some time ago
He quit and Mike Masnick, of Techdirt fame, replaced him which is a good upgrade.
Unfortunately, they still have Aaron Rodericks on trust and safety, who’s cozy with Singal.
Wouldn’t want to be getting any criticism in your feed of an authoritarian far-right dictatorship, now would we? Can’t have these tankies calling for elections or banning Nazi symbols!
It’s funny that I can interpret this in every way possible. Yes, I prefer to be able to be critical of US or Russia on my social media without getting downranked. Yes, I’m for free elections in Belarus. I’d be for banning nazi symbols but they’re banned where I live already.
Haven’t you heard? When Ukrainians declare themselves Nazis, cover themselves in Nazi patches, and refuse to hold elections, it’s “complicated” and we’re not allowed to talk about it.
Yes, and because there are Nazis in their army and refuse to hold elections in a war-thorn country, they all deserve to either be killed with the pretense of being nazis, being their children kidnapped and given to Russian families, and beaten and raped until they forget that ugly Russian dialect some dare to call “the Ukrainian language”.🤡
Do you believe this to be a reasoned response to my concern about real, self-identified Nazis empowered by the US? Do you think that countering Nazi criticism with reflexive projection of genocidal intent is helping your case?
I can count quite a few people, who have similar concerns about Palestinians, yet here we are…
Yes, I believe you can count zionists, and that you reflexively defend fascists there as well.
they all deserve to either be killed with the pretense of being nazis, being their children kidnapped and given to Russian families
Russia is the only side that has set “status quo conditions” for avoiding war. West+Ukraine chose this war. That orphanages in Crimea were evacuated to “safety”, and included a few ethnic Ukrainian children is not the “horror” it’s hyped to be.
It’s fair to blame the side fighting for nazification and nato for the war.
You seem to think countries can be forced to invade other countries. That is not how anything works.
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Ukraine “choose” the war by not wanting to be a Russian satellite state anymore.
No. Killing ethnic Russians for 8 years, and not implementing the autonomy agreements, chose the war. Ukraine can peacefully join EU or have greater EU trade.
Unfortunately every countries military has nationalistic fascists, some of which use Nazi iconography to display their “pride”. I could find the 1940 Swedish general election (not at war), 1942 Icelandic parliamentary election (occupied by USA), 1943 & 1944 Irish general elections (not at war) as the elections held between Sep 1939 & Sep 1945, the other democratic European country’s I reviewed, elections were either postponed or went uncontested.
Is every country erecting monuments to or naming streets after famous Nazis?
Oh look. It’s the countries arming these Nazis. What a weird coincidence.
“Thank you, AI !”
P.S. If Russians will be in Nurnberg court they will say something like “it’s not our fault, it’s putin’s fault.”
it is normal because the platform is growing and then BSKY public blocklist will be bigger to counter this.
