At what point is someone going to tell Donald that the end result of pushing and pushing on this narrative to the point of realization… Is going to result in Article 5 being activated, Europe and NATO formally going to war against the US, and the US tearing itself apart as factions decide to move to the Ammo box after the soap, ballot and jury boxes failed.
This is absolutely a red line. and it will cause a civil war. as well as the total destruction of the world order. Xi and Putin may end up getting so erect that they die of heart attacks.
Please post non paywall links
I don’t speak crazy, can someone explain Trumps issue with Greenland to me, thanks
Territorialism. He thinks he can just demand Denmark to sell Greenland to him, but neither Denmark nor Greenland are having any of it. Big Baby didn’t think he’d get pushback and does what he does best: get pissed.
Imo, Greenland has fossil fuel reserves they’re not tapping in order to protect the environment. USA wants the natural resources, but Greenland not being brown people or “the wrong kind of white people”, Greenland a member of NATO, invading Greenland outright risks ww3 without being able to blame anyone other than the USA. I could be wrong, though, I’m not a geopolitics wonk.
As an European it’s pretty clear now that the US is our enemy. This is just the start. We really need to put our military in order and prepare for the inevitable attack.
The good news is we are a very stupid enemy
The US is also the enemy of the US. Its worst one, in fact.
Damn americans! They ruined America!
They really did!
It’s impossible to catch up to the US war machine in 4 years only. We can only start the process, but I also doubt the US would sit by idly and let us become too powerful.
The nice thing is that Trump will replace our best generals and other leadership with utter incompetents.
We don’t really need the power to be able to attack the US. Just enough to be able to defend ourselves and that is far from impossible even in 4 years.
Attack the US?
You guys are crazy for even entertaining the idea.
We dont need a large army to defend ourselfs. Just enough to deter.
Guess we can start by reaching the NATO spending goals
As an Australian I wish we’d negotiate to join the EU. Philosophically we have more in common with the EU then America and together is better.
But we cant even join with New Zealand and od not ne suporsed if the EU didnt want us, I’d not want us, though we do all seem to mostly hate immigrants so we have that in common :(
Our previous governments have tied us to the US so tightly that we may as well be a US vassal state. Whatever America’s foreign policy is, is Australia’s policy. Our military is dependent on the US for its equipment.
It would be great to have more ties to the EU and SE Asian counties but thats unlikely to happen unfortunately.
Side note, New Zealand can however decide to join us. The Australian constitution has a provision that a successful referendum in New Zealand admits them to the Federation.
Given the All Blacks record however this is unlikely.
The industrial military complex tips its hat and smiles.
Don’t worry. The US may have the most experienced, well funded, and outfitted military on the planet, but the bafoons at the top keep getting in the way of the military executing a war the way it wants to.
See: Iraq 2, WMD boogaloo, or the cult classic Vietnam: Congress goes to war.
You really aren’t even joking at all. This is what happens when Congress gets out of the way of the military.
Dude has a channel dedicated to telling the unbelievable stories of what our soldiers have done when the leash comes off.
Warning: dude is a conservative, so his takes on socialism and communism are what you’d expect
I wasn’t kidding in the slightest. If the DoD had executed the second Iraq invasion it would have taken a few days. But Rumsfeld and his croneys insisted on it being done their way, and they didn’t know shit about fuck when it came to warfare. (Note: this may have been because Rumsfeld was lying and committing crimes that, had the military done things the way they wanted, would have been exposed.)
I don’t know why the Danish PM would waste his time even talking to Traitorapist Trump. The whole world knows Trump is a notorious liar.
I don’t know why the Danish PM would waste his time even talking to Traitorapist Trump.
What ? Is there a gender thing I’m missing here?
Probably just didn’t know and the majority of heads of state are men so it’s not an unfair assumption. I certainly didn’t know she was a woman and I wouldn’t have looked it up to get the right pronouns in a post on here.
It is wild to think that EU-US relations might worsen because Trump wants to annex Greenland, jeez.
I believe that is therepublicans fascist’s actual goal
Could be. People need to realize how strong the EU can be if they act as one. Just observe how hard authoritarian regime tries to kill the EU.
Yurop monke stronk together
Sorry for multiple posts, but my points are different.
Impose tariffs on Denmark? Do you all know what we import from Denmark? Medication and medical devices. So that would further increase the cost of healthcare in the US. He already signed an executive order to undo the $35 insulin cap for Medicaid recipients. He is actively raising healthcare prices.
Tariffs would only hurt both countries.
There is no way to impose tariffs on Danish goods. We’re part of the EU, and the inner market, so we’ll just send the goods from some other EU country. So any tariff on Denmark would have to be a tariff on EU.
It all makes sense when you accept that he’s been installed by our enemies to destroy the US.
No, actually he was installed by our oligarchs to destroy the country, so they can buy it for cheap. Just like last time!
“they are the same picture”
Actually he was installed by incredibly stupid, shortsighted and/or far right people in a process called democracy 🤷♂️
When the media that people are shown is microtargeted and controlled by 2 billionaires who are buddies with Trump, you don’t have a democracy anymore.
Well, Trump isn’t something new. Everybody could see what he is in his previous term or before. There is also other media and social networks not controlled by oligarchy. Finding an excuse is hard, it’s not like - ouch, media is controlled. So again, stupidity, ignorance, greed and such.
Watch USAmericans go to war against russia instead of finally killing their slavers. They never learned who their true enemy is so far, lets hope this time is different.
Unlikely
You gotta make better enemies.
We only have the best enemies!
Tariffs seem to be Trump’s go-to move nowadays. “Grab them by the wallet”.
- To Putin: stop the war or tariffs!
- To Europe: buy more US oil or tariffs!
- To Denmark: gimme Greenland or tariffs!
- To Melania (probably): pretend you can still bear being in the same room with me or tariffs!
- McDonald’s - “cash or card, sir?” “Tariffs!”
Not “Grab them” but “Grab the US consumer”. Tariffs raise prices inside the USA. The target country only loses by being less competitive in the US market.
Trump wants to raise import taxes on goods from everyone, so only US goods are competitive. Trouble is the US has exported a bunch of manufacturing so it must import.
His voters still don’t seem to have figured out that just means things will cost them more.
it’s annoying that politicians don’t call it what it is: import tax.
Oh, not his beloved McDonald’s.
It’s also an integrated EU economy, so I’d assume the entire European single market would retaliate.
But yeah, he doesn’t care about or understand that. Or at least won’t until there’s active unrest in America over the crazy inflation and layoffs.
None of that is ever blamed on the Republican president in office though.
To date, it hasn’t been the president’s fault. The shit they do makes it’s way to workers and consumers well after they leave office, for the most part. This would be different, and in some cases very uneven - if there’s an accross-the-board 25% tariff with Canada, the Detroit auto industry basically shuts down and lays everyone off today.
Yes, to add you cannot impose targeted tariffs on Danish goods, as these are typically traded within the EU before going to the US.
It would hurt both countries, but Denmark can still sell their medication and medical devices to the rest of the world.
These tariffs in general are going to hurt Americans far more than anyone else.
Do you all know what we import from Denmark? Medication
Ozempic comes to mind. It’s still under patent, so I guess there’s no other source than Novo Nordisk in Denmark.
You know what is from Denmark? Ozempic
Do you think he cares?
That is very on brand for trump. Pissing off a former ally and messing up healthcare worse for “his own” country.
Not like trump cares about that
Wait he seriously undid the cap already??? Fucking for real?
Like I shouldn’t be surprised…
It was only capped for Medicare recipients like retirees and congresspersons, HHS is still reporting it as active policy
Thank you for the correction,it’s a shame all this discussion happened without that context
On Day One, iirc
https://lmddgtfy.net/?q=undo insulin cap trump
many articles say that this didn’t happen.
Tariff wars alway hurt all involved.
https://lmddgtfy.net/?q=undo insulin cap trump what are all these articles saying?
I love that the map in the article only labels a few locations, but one of them is the Gulf of Mexico.
Nice subtle dig at the man-baby.
And Panama, and The Panama Canal! ROFL
That’d be funny to see but the article fades out before any maps
Much love, thanks
Ladies and gentlemen, the United States of America has gone rogue.
The US president spoke to Mette Frederiksen for 45 minutes last week
45 minutes? Yikes. Poor fella.
Just FYI. Mette Frederiksen is a woman. And a much more competent leader than Donald Trump.
Yes but that bar is so low not even a tardigrade would trip over it.
“Spoke at” more likely too
Yelled at. Probably about sharks or something.
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To be fair that’s only a couple of minutes of coherence
Said two things.
“ah, no”
…and then 40min of Trump rally speech with no coherency.
The man is utterly deranged. During his last term, one of the few things I was grateful for was that he didn’t start a new war. Apparently, he’s planning to make up for that.
I can’t wait for the US to enter the “find out” phase. It will take some time, sure, but heh, hubris always invites nemesis.
Yeah… Some country’s “find out” phase in history occurred only after unspeakable horrors were committed and the country was crushed jnto submission by an international coalition. So… Idk
Yea I dont think anyone is going to enjoy the “find out” phase of this one. Maybe Putin, if he lives that long.
The find out phase also might mean come countries with equally unhinged leaders feel emboldened to attack others, as countries start divesting from their US relations.
Don’t worry. We’re working overtime on it.
I just hope the rest of the world takes mercy on those of us US citizens who just wanna live our lives in peace.
I think it’s going to be choose our have it chosen for you.
I’m more thinking in terms of: if you turn your back on your friends, they will turn their backs to you. Specifically: NATO article 5 has been invoked only once in NATO’s history, after the September 11 attacks on the United States in 2001. And we were there for you, no questions asked. Now your country is threatening a NATO ally. Tread carefully.
I mean, I have no say in what my country actually does. I highly disapprove of it all, in fact. But I would hope that if the rest of the world kicked in our door to stop our shit, that regular citizens like me wouldn’t be in danger of being shot or whatever. I just wanna live my life, man.
You have a lot more say in what your country does than any of us being threatened do…
Yeah, but how can I stop the dumbass in charge from doing shit that’s bad? I voted and he still got in.
I don’t have answers, sorry. Maybe just remind others who can vote that they need to and that any pain they feel is solely a result of that dumbass being elected, no matter who he tries to blame.
Hope the US empire goes crumbling down now that the fascist wanna be dictator is in power.
It will crumble, the question is will it crumble fast enough before its oil and gas fetish accelerates climate change too far.
Summary:
In a recent 45-minute phone call, U.S. President Donald Trump reiterated his demand for the United States to gain control over Greenland, an autonomous Danish territory. Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen firmly responded that Greenland is not for sale. According to European officials, the conversation was aggressive, with Trump threatening punitive tariffs against Denmark if it refused to relinquish control of Greenland. Frederiksen proposed enhanced cooperation on military bases and mineral exploitation in Greenland, but Trump dismissed these offers, insisting on full U.S. control. This development has heightened concerns in Europe about strained transatlantic relations, especially following Trump’s recent threats of heavy tariffs on the EU and demands for increased defense spending from NATO allies.
Why is Denmark even offering anything at all
Why is Denmark even offering anything at all
As others have pointed out, the US play here is likely to be stopping payments for the current US military based in Greenland but not leaving, testing its limits (operating outside of the designated areas), and generally just begging for a response. At this point the Danish (and the EU generally) will have to choose - if they do nothing then it’ll encourage more of this BS in Greenland and elsewhere. If they respond with any force it’ll be what Trump wants. He’ll use it as pretense for…whatever he wants to do.
This behaviour will make it far less likely that all of the US international partners will renew military base leases or sign new ones, and long term it will diminish American military power globally, but nobody in MAGA let alone Trump are really thinking beyond the immediate anyways.
So the answer your question, the Danes are trying to avoid all of that BS.
Denmark is normally otherwise an ally of the US.
However, this call has spooked the Danes. There will 100% be escalations from the Danes to protect themselves as a result.
Everyone knows Trump is a dick, and the US is mega powerful. The debate in the rest of the world is how to deal with it. Using “honey” and using “vinegar” are both in the running. Honey remains more popular because chummyness is an old reflex with the US, and most well-to-do Westerners still don’t get what’s happening.
Dude probably thinks Trump is an actual business man and is over selling what he wants and actually wants something way less. That ain’t trump, no 5d chess here.
Dudette*
Art of the Deal.
well thats one way to increase nato spending
fuck the citizens of the usa
i think it is safe to say there is absolutely no place left where ppl dont hate on you now.
I like to think people are reasonable enough to separate the politician from the citizens.
Most voters voted for this and those who don’t vote don’t matter.
i am from germany. should we apply your stupid argument on ww2?
no. fuck the americans. they voted for shitbag twice rather than a women. i dont see mass protests. it is the people. the american people are living the idiocracy by choice.
I’m in the US, I voted against Trump, I’m likely going to suffer if he is able to accomplish a smidgen of what he has talked about, and I think we got what we deserved and the sentiment from your OP is valid. I know a lot of innocent people are going to suffer, but this is a country of very selfish people. Even some of the most liberal people I have met in this country still have a very selfish mindset and reason for the liberal bent. As soon as they attain a position where they have an advantage they basically pull up the ladder. I’m personally tired of it.
People are going to die, ecosystems are going to burn, countries may very well fall. My only hope is that things only get bad enough that the masses learn an important lesson that at least lasts for their generation and that recovery is possible in that time frame.
It’s not that I don’t care. It’s not even that I don’t have the fight left in me. I just don’t see any kind of path to a better place without substantial harm occurring first. I will not be happy to be right. I want to be wrong.
I feel your frustration but this isn’t a petty dictator with his boot on his people’s neck. He was elected. The US, as a nation, chose this. You are choosing your new allies and your new enemies and being quite clear about it.
like hitler?
With how much ratfuckery we already know about, and how much we likely don’t, I genuinely have doubts he was actually elected.
Regardless, the supermajority of US citizens did not vote for him.
I like Greg Palast and haven’t looked into the numbers yet, but someone did send me this, today: https://www.gregpalast.com/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won/
A supermajority didn’t vote against him either, and a plurality of eligible voters didn’t give enough of a shit to even show up.
Every single eligible voter who did not vote was complicit in his victory. A supermajority of voters were fine with this result.
I would argue that the supermajority weren’t fine with this result, these real life consequences, but were under a collective cope/delusion that “Killer Kamala” was a “weak woman” but also a warhawk who just wanted to genocide lots of people in Gaza and prolong the war in Ukraine, and Trump was going to bring peace and prosperity and lower the cost of living.
Americans are mostly stupid, poorly educated, gullible, and easily deceived by low effort promises.
If they couldn’t take their collective heads out of their assess for the 5 nanoseconds it should take to see through Trump’s crusty veneer, then they were, in fact, fine with it.
“I didn’t care”, “I didn’t know”, and any other form of ignorance is inexcusable, especially after his first term in office. Did they think he’d changed somehow?
Fuzzy memories after 4 years of anti-Democrat propoganda, remember overwhelmingly Americans use social media that backs Trump (X, Meta, TikTok), to the point that even US “leftists” were all in anti-“blue MAGA”.
It’s classic manufactured consent. That’s why FAFO was trending after election. Americans don’t know what they voted for. They are about to find out - the hard way.
I agree and hope so too. I think a lot of the frustration and hate comes from Trump actually having been elected. Basically, if you meet someone who voted, there is about a 50:50 chance that they have voted for this. When your vote influences not just your own country but the entire world, that guarantees blame and anger from others.
Now, you can argue whether elections are fair when one party is funded by billionaires and has access to media to spread any misinformation they want. Gerrymandering and a lot of other practices surely play a role in making this not absolutely fair. Let alone that insanity of a two party system. But at the end of the day, this is still an elected president, who even won the public vote, if I remember correctly. It is not the same as obviously rigged elections as in, for example, Russia (where people get even much more hate for their president, as if they had the power to vote or change anything).
That’s bullshit. Hate the government, not its people. The number of people who DIDN’T vote for that shitbag is more than every country in Europe except for Germany, Turkey, and Russia.
That’s a you problem. Get your fucking dog back on a leash. Most US voters voted for this and the ones who don’t vote don’t matter.
It’s an everywhere problem. Far-right candidates are winning elections all over the world. The US, as usual, is going over the top and is speedrunning towards the Fourth Reich, but we won’t be the only ones if everyone else doesn’t get their shit together as well.
Far-right candidates in other countries aren’t openly musing about annexing allies through military force.
Not yet, no. If they’re allowed to continue unimpeded they’ll likely go the same way the US is now.
