“Zelenskyy was fighting a much bigger entity, much bigger, much more powerful,” Trump said. “He shouldn’t have done that, because we could have made a deal.”

Summary

In a Fox News interview, Donald Trump argued that Ukraine should not have resisted Russia’s 2022 invasion, claiming Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy should have made a deal with Vladimir Putin.

Trump criticized Zelenskyy for choosing to fight, compared the military strength of Russia and Ukraine, and said he could have ended the war quickly through negotiations.

Trump’s stance contrasts with Joe Biden’s strong support for Ukraine, including aid and sanctions on Russia.

  • DrFistington@lemmy.worldEnglish
    207·
    1 个月前

    So Ukraine, hear me out… Eliminate Trump and Putin during the negotiations, blame it on someone else. Everyone will thank you, and we’ll get over it.

    • HikingVet@lemmy.caEnglish
      122·
      1 个月前

      I’m sure at this point if Zelenskyy pulled out a wellrod, popped both of them and said “Slava Ukraini” there would be a round of applause.

      • The Quuuuuill@slrpnk.netEnglish
        25·
        1 个月前

        i honestly don’t think anyone would put him to trial. like suddenly everyone you know was with the president of ukraine at the time of the incident. and sure, that’s not what questions the ICC would be asking, but that’s what we’d all be saying

        • DrFistington@lemmy.worldEnglish
          4·
          1 个月前

          Exactly I mean, the USA isn’t going to start a war with an ally over a shitbag placeholder president like Trump. As for Russia they’re already fucking war so what are they going to do? If anything set it up so it looks like a Russian assassination attempt on Z went wrong and got Putin and Trump instead. United States should have been at war with Russia since 2016 anyway. Now would be a great time to join in considering Russian combat capacity is at nearly zero, and they’re currently utilizing the zap branigan meat wave tactic.

          At this point if that actually happened China would take a long hard look and go no thank you sir. They ain’t doing shit to defend Russia. Hell, if we promised them a portion of it, they’d help us take it

      • palordrolap@fedia.io
        10·
        1 个月前

        It would almost certainly be a requirement to prosecute and then likely lock Zelenskyy up if he did that, even if he might be doing us all a favour. And even the nicest prison is still a prison.

        It would be better if there was a way to have the targets neutralise each other.

        • Nollij@sopuli.xyzEnglish
          18·
          1 个月前

          Requirement from whom? Who would enforce it?

          I know the obvious answer is the ICC, but they currently have warrants for both Putin and Netanyahu, so clearly that’s not an effective threat.

          • Kitathalla@lemy.lolEnglish
            5·
            1 个月前

            Vance. I think he and his puppet masters would love the excuse to join with putin’s past allies. Russia gets the land, united states of stupid gets half the resources contracts to aid in building the ‘infrastructure’ and such to process the resources.

          • palordrolap@fedia.io
            3·
            1 个月前

            Straight up killing a known criminal is not the accepted way to mete out justice, no matter how right it seems. We have (international) courts for a reason, even when the case is open and shut, and even if the same courtesy would be unlikely if the situation was reversed.

        • DrFistington@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3·
          1 个月前

          Nah, make the entire operation look like a Russian assassination plot on Z went wrong. People in US intelligence that are currently involved with Ukraine would definitely help facilitate that story.

      • Walk_blesseDEnglish
        4·
        1 个月前

        Firstly, he’d need two Welrods. Those things aren’t exactly quick to reload.

        • Corkyskog@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          69·
          1 个月前

          Vance has no political capital like Trump. He doesn’t have a cult he can use to threaten to primary people. Once Trump is gone all of this loses momentum.

          • jaybone@lemmy.worldEnglish
            20·
            1 个月前

            Will be interesting to watch the power vacuum when Trump dies. It will be a great opportunity for the democrats to make progress. I’m sure they’ll find a way to fuck that up too.

      • Absaroka@lemmy.worldEnglish
        21·
        1 个月前

        I’m not sure anybody would rally behind him. He had the lowest likability score of any VP pick since 2000 - even below Sarah “I Can See Russia From My House!” Palin.

        • psmgx@lemmy.worldEnglish
          9·
          1 个月前

          Palin was rocking the MILF vibe and, for better or worse, took her conservative creds mostly seriously.

          Vance is date rapey, nakedly ambitious, and completely owned by Thiel.

    • kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.worldEnglish
      24·
      1 个月前

      You’ll have millions/billions of people willing to be your alibi. “According to people calling in, Zelensky was at 300,000 bars, sleeping on 1,250,000 couches, and attending 13 Bar Mitvahs that night, so he couldn’t have killed Trump and Putin.”

      • qarbone@lemmy.worldEnglish
        10·
        1 个月前

        "Absolutely top-notch guy. Literally omnipresent.

        Like me and all my friends were having individualized, concurrent, and meaningful bottle episodes with the guy.

        Just the consummate gentleman."

    • Nollij@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      4·
      1 个月前

      The problem is who will replace them. Does Putin even have an official successor (like the US VP), or would this create a power vacuum?

      • meeeeetch@lemmy.worldEnglish
        7·
        1 个月前

        The Prime Minister is de jure the acting president in case of a vacancy. Given the strength of legal institutions in Russia Mikhail Mishustin would have some work ahead of him to actually hold power.

      • DrFistington@lemmy.worldEnglish
        4·
        1 个月前

        So believe it or not back when the USA had its shit together we had this thing called the CIA and boy were they pretty good at identifying and exploiting power vacuums to the advantage of our country.

  • partial_accumen@lemmy.worldEnglish
    149·
    1 个月前

    Ukraine HAD a deal with Russia ensuring its peace and its borders. It was called the Budapest Memorandum. Russia was the one violating the deal Russia had agreed to.

  • danc4498@lemmy.worldEnglish
    118·
    1 个月前

    This is literally all the “anti war” arguments. George Washington should have just stopped resisting the red coats.

    • EvilBit@lemmy.worldEnglish
      40·
      1 个月前

      Washington was part of a revolution. This is an invasion. More like Russia should have just let Napoleon have it.

      • danc4498@lemmy.worldEnglish
        14·
        1 个月前

        Sure, but that makes it entirely unrelatable to the Americans making these arguments.

        • EvilBit@lemmy.worldEnglish
          18·
          1 个月前

          Fair enough. How about this?

          It’s like letting the SCARY EVIL (mysteriously suddenly nonexistent) IMMIGRANT MEXICAN CARAVAN INVADERS just come in and have the US.

      • Danquebec@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        4·
        1 个月前

        It’s kind of a revolution though because it all started with Maydan and the ousting of Russian puppet Yanukovitch.

  • Log in | Sign up@lemmy.worldEnglish
    47·
    1 个月前

    Of course he did. Trump would never stand up to a bully, he would never defend the weak against the nasty. That would take courage, but Trump has only cowardice and sycophacny for bullies.

    Trump is a person who sucks up to bullies, and punches down on the bullied, through and through.

  • gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    42·
    1 个月前

    Ugh. I guess it’s starting. Anyone placing bets on how long before Trump does a complete about-face on the situation and starts running joint missions with Russia against Ukraine? I’m morbidly suspicious that might really be how things end up.

    • Nollij@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      27·
      1 个月前

      This isn’t exactly a secret. Remember in the debate when he said he’d end the war, and refused to say which side he’d be on?

  • takeda@lemm.eeEnglish
    39·
    1 个月前

    So president of a nation that has the motto “give me liberty or give me death” is saying this.

      • TurboWafflz@lemmy.worldEnglish
        15·
        1 个月前

        Well yeah, the full saying is “Don’t tread on me, tread on ukraine instead”. They just shortened it

      • SinningStromgald@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        1 个月前

        Any time I see those stickers, flags or license plates I have a deep urge to reenact the curb stomping scene from American History X using the person who has it/them.

  • Glitterbomb@lemmy.worldEnglish
    38·
    1 个月前

    You might not believe me but anyone can just walk into maralargo. Trump won’t have you trespassed, he will offer you a cash deal to leave. Trust me, it’s true. Ez money.

    • Nasan@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      18·
      1 个月前

      This is why he’s having such a hard time getting Musk to leave. How do you make a problem go away when your only problem solving skill is bribery and your problem is a higher degree of wealth than your bribing power?

  • BeigeAgenda@lemmy.caEnglish
    36·
    1 个月前

    Of course the convicted felon would say that Ukraine should just lie down and let Russia grab 'em by the country.

  • psmgx@lemmy.worldEnglish
    30·
    1 个月前

    Honestly I’m more worried about the NATO 5% thing which is blatantly designed to fracture the alliance.

    The number was 2%, and many didn’t hit that. 5% is never going to happen and is going to be Trump’s cause to pull out, mark my words. Thankfully Congress put some stops in there, but doesn’t mean Trump can’t fuck things up bigly.

    Ukraine can schlump along with NATO sans USA, but no NATO and Ukraine is finished.

    • Eatspancakes84@lemmy.worldEnglish
      6·
      1 个月前

      If European countries somehow manage 5 percent, it’s Europe that should step out of NATO. At this moment I am half convinced it’s better to have a strategic alliance with China than with Trump.

    • CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
      2·
      1 个月前

      As a Canadian, good. I’ll worry a lot less about American invasion if we have our own separate NATO with blackjack and hookers.