We’re at the “normalizing fascism” stage.
Historically there’s no way out of this. We’re going to have to push through a very sad, very deadly phase in American history and see what happens on the other side.
Buy a gun.
You only get three hots and a cot for doing that salute in my country.
Here’s the thing, in a normal, functioning society if someone gets caught doing a gesture that is interpreted by some people as being a Nazi salute, that person apologizes.
Even if in their heart of hearts they really didn’t mean to do a Nazi salute, they still apologize. They’re not necessarily apologizing for Seig Heil, they’re apologizing for how the gesture was received and interpreted. In a normal world, in a non fucked country, it’s very important to clarify “I’m not a Nazi, I hate Nazis, I would never do that, and I’m very sorry that what I did hurt and scared people.” In some countries, merely doing that gesture is grounds for arrest, but someone might avoid arrest if they made it clear it was an accident.
Whether or not it truly was 100% a Nazi salute matters less than the aftermath. No consequences, no apologies, no denials. The US is so fucked now that there are no consequences for credibly behaving like a Nazi in public. He won’t be fired or censured by the boards of his companies. Trump and the rest of the GOP will continue to eagerly have him around.
The US is now a place where for about half the population (including a lot of non-white people) being a Nazi is not a dealbreaker.
in a normal, functioning society if someone gets caught doing a gesture that is interpreted by some people as being a Nazi salute
But it isn’t. All media has clearly told us within minutes that we did not actually saw what we saw with our own eyes and it’s just error in judgement on our side to have mistaken his “odd looking gesture” for a nazi salute.
Not just in public, the richest man in the world, during the inauguration of the President of the United States that he just spent a shit load of money getting elected.
This is terrifying. People should be terrified.
I’m too tired to be terrified
Journalist in the middle of a highway road as a truck driven by elon musk barrels down towards them at blistering speed: IT IS UNCLEAR WHAT MUSKS MOTIVES AR-
You could tell he’s been waiting for the opportunity to do that for ages. He almost did it early and when it came time, he did it as hard as he could.
So who wants to take bets on how long it’ll take Musk to say the N-Word?
And justify it because he’s African American.
“This is a man with Aspergers exuberantly throwing his heart to the crowd,” the journalist said, calling Musk “a friend to the Jews.”
Also, Asperger’s is no longer a medical term and there is no indication that Elon has ever actually been evaluated. Autism is not an excuse to throw a Nazi salute, for fuck’s sake!
Someone should tell Musk what the Nazis did with “Aspergers” kids.
as a matter of fact, Hans Asperger’s work during the national socialist years in Vienna can actually be described as dialectic. a rough summary would be that while participating in the evaluation and killing of children he developed his dissertation in order to get some of the kids out of the T4 program. that dissertation later became the base for the diagnosis that was named after him and found its way into popular culture.
Seriously… The fucking irony
Autist here, while I can be awkward and accidentally do or say offensive things not meaning them…
A full on fucking Hitler salute isn’t even something we can do on accident.
Closest I’ve gotten was while getting excited in public shouting “WHITE POWER!”
Context: I was playing a Power Rangers game on my phone, and got Tommy Oliver’s White Ranger, my voice went out before I could say “Ranger”… I am very bad at controlling the volume of my voice. Seriously, sometimes I’ll say something and it sounds like I’m whispering, but I"m yelling and vice versa. I have no idea what’s up with that, people often have to tell me if I’m yelling or not.
A full on fucking Hitler salute isn’t even something we can do on accident.
Maybe Dr. Strangelove was autistic?
Maybe stick with the Green Ranger going forward.
Did you turn around and say the same thing to the people behind you? The first one I could maybe say he did a fucked up dab. When he did it again…. I’m speechless.
All the fucker needed to do was raise or move the wrist shortly after the “bluff”. He kept the whole arm straight, he knows he doesn’t need to hide anymore.
No I do not believe that I did.
Eyup, Musk is a Nazi
For lack of a better term I find it “interesting” that they’re using the outdated term named for a Nazi collaborator
It’s not an accident either. It’s a dog whistle.
please y’all read the studies about Hans Asperger. in short: nothing happened for the amusement of Americans some 80 years later.
Thank you.
with that guy’s history of making sock puppet accounts, this eric one is highly sus.
I actually did speculate on neurodiversity yesterday (as a neurodiverse person myself) and I can tell you it was because of shock over the whole thing. I’m not going to speculate.
edit: fixed some spelling
On Twitter, no less — a sycophant whose opinion is a net negative.
Just saw a video of it, that’s not just Nazi like, that is a textbook ENTHUSIASTIC NAZI SALUTE!
I say it’s almost a frame by frame match
That, and I can’t believe the ADL, of all people, was equivocating on it.
Oh, wait, I can, because the ADL has long since stopped giving a shit about antisemitism and has instead started accusing anyone who protests against a genocide of being Nazis.
I mean, not textbook. It was sloppy and uncoordinated. Dipshits can’t even fascism without looking awkward.
Well… a certain mustache guy was also know to be a rather sloppy saluter.
That was the ketamine fucking with his coordination…
It’s deliberate for plausible deniability, but it’s so obvious.
Maybe but I also think he’s an uncoordinated dip shit
It kind of reminded me of someone doing a dab.
Twice.
Elon I had well figured for a Nazi, certainly paints a message doing that at the POTUS podium, but CNN just calling it . . . odd? What the fuck is that non response about? I can only imagine that if they managed to open up labor camps CNN would call it ‘slightly concerning’. Now more than ever we’re on our own, the big club has give up all pretense of being unbiased and unmasked themselves for who they always wanted to be.
edit: And this is the NYTs enlightened take
Is it really hard to find meaning? It’s not even hinting at it anymore.
CNN got a right wing CEO a few years ago IIRC. Late 2020 or maybe 2021 if memory serves. IMO the coverage was almost immediately different.
I’m confident that they are being forced to not compare the current situation to nazi Germany.
All of the “liberal media” (lol, that phrase was always silly and now it’s beyond farcical) was already obeying in advance. This is just more of it.
As long as they popularized the term “Liberal MEdia”, they could buy up stations and make them far Right without anyone noticing, that was the game.
They are looking to avoid libel suits from Musk and Trump.
The fourth estate is complicit and always has been.
everybody‘s ready to put on their new suits
As social media exploded with condemnation of what some were calling a “Sieg Heil,” with some others applauding the world’s richest man’s gesture, there was also some speculation that Musk’s movement was more like that of an Imperial Roman general in the Gladiator mode.
Do people think the Nazis invented their salute? They took it from the Romans. To say it was actually a Roman salute is to also say it was a Nazi salute because they are basically one and the same.
They didn’t, the association with Rome comes from this painting. The author didn’t have anything to believe it was historically correct.
It is correct though that Italian fascists had a hard on on everything that was classical Rome-adjacent and they picked the salute from a French painting like a bunch of noobs.
The Roman salute, also known as the Fascist salute
God I love Wikipedia
All the more reasons to donate, imo. Based af.
Are we donating? I used to donate; but I read somewhere that they actually have more money than they know what to do with… I would donate if this claim were plausibly denied.
I don’t see the issue with donating more money than they can use. Their contribution to society is immeasurable and the more Wikipedia the better as far as I’m concerned! :D
I haven’t heard anyone say they’re drowning in money, but it you have links I’d love to read them.
Interesting, so instead of them stealing the actual Roman salute, they stole what they thought the Roman salute was. Sure the Italian fascists used it too, but the Nazis compared what they wanted, a 1000 year Reich, to what Rome had created when they had a massive empire that lasted 500 years for the western empire and almost 1500 for the Eastern years if they include the West and almost 1000 by itself. So they didnt just take it from the Italian Fascists just cause, they did it because they thought it was Roman as well, and associated it with their desire to replicate the Romans.
Thanks for the info!
Edited the years for the Roman empire after being called out for being wrong.
So the nazi salute is the equivalent to the naruto run of their time.
Ackshually it’s only 2000 years in the east (up until 1453) if you count the kingdom and republic (which would make it 1000 years in the west, up to the traditional date of 476) assuming the traditional ab urbe condita date of 753 BC.
I said almost 2000 years. It lasted from, officially, 476 BCE to 1453 CE, that’s 1929 years. Which is almost 2000 years, like I said.
When it comes to the West, the empire officially was made in 27 BCE with the first Emperor. I don’t think the republic really counted because all historical articles I can find say it lasted 503 years, not 1000. From 27 BCE to 476 CE.
Also, 753 BCE isn’t the Roman empire. It was the founding of Rome itself, meaning the city.
I’m just saying it only lasted 2000 years if you could the republic, in which case it lasted 1000 years in the west (traditionally until Augustulus was deposed in 476) not 500 years. I realize this has nothing to do with the topic at hand and I’m just being a pedant.
Ah I misread a bit of what you said. Thanks for the clarification.
Edit: Fixed the dates in the original post
No worries, I didn’t explain myself very well. If you’re in the US, take care today.
There’s sone subtle differences but fascism is modeled after the Roman Republic with intense nationalism thrown in. The salute the Romans did was the fascist salute.
I think he was practicing it in the mirror, too. There is no way that this is a coincidence or a mistake.
Dafuq is this unelected dipshit doing at the podium to begin with? That should be the first question to ask.
I mean we all know why but I refuse to pretend this should be the “new normal”
Unelected? What do you mean? He bought his top spot of a kleptocracy fair and square.
Yeah. So weird, this Nazi salute. From the actual President of a fascist admin. Odd. Odd looking, even.
A sign of weakness.
