reasonable sunrise time
7:00AM or earlier
Earlier than 7AM seems unreasonable
I prefer daylight savings all the time but actually I would go for utc and regions just get used to times being when they are and schedule around daylight.
Yes! UTC! UTC! UTC!
I like it when noon is at 12:00.
That’s cool on paper but not in practice. If noon is at 12 then the solar day has to be symmetrical around that. But we don’t really spend our day symmetrically around noon. Like 6 pm is early enough that this can still do some major activities. But 6am is so early no one thinks “oh I’ll just get that major activity done before 6am”
Another example is 10 hours after noon is getting late and a good time to end the day. 10 hours before noon is 2am. If you’re awake at 2am it’s not because you’re walking up.
That’s cool on paper but not in practice.
You understand that these are all conventions and the associations between what constitutes “late” and “early” are entirely arbitrary, right? Literally any system of naming time could work in practice. If we wanted, we could set the entire world at UTC0 and just get used to the fact that it’s noon at 6:00 in some places.
The disadvantage of daylight savings time is not actually that the sun doesn’t line up to our expectation of the day, it’s that it causes confusion.
I think daylight savings time comes from a human need to have our day match the natural cycles of the sun (because we don’t want to fight our cicardian rhythm) and to have consistent schedules and routines through the year.
I hate it though, I agree it’s pretty arbitrary and we can do better.
Split the difference, then do the maps again.
Forced year-round pretending we’re an hour ahead means more kids will have to walk to school in the dark, sharing streets with sleep-deprived drivers who are also up before their bodies say they should be. That’s gonna kill people.
Didn’t you hear? It’s now a crime to have your kids walk by themselves. Just ask the bastions of freedom that are Georgia and Texas.
(That those events happened is obviously dumb.)
There is also a study that found a correlation between changing the clock to heart attacks incidents rising, suggesting that it might be caused by the clock change which triggers stress and sleep deprivation which triggers a heart attack
Yep, which leads us to the natural conclusion that noon on the clock should roughly equate to solar noon, year round.
That would mean ~360 timezones globally. More if you didn’t simplify to a single degree.
Coordinating is enough of a pain across timezones without having to worry (much) about minutes.
The Romans’ did that as a naturally consequence of using sun dials for timekeeping. Hours were also shorter during winter. I think that would be a nice system to have.
You can get DST on a sundial. Just rotate it 15 degrees so sunrise is at 7
I’d rather have it all the time tbh.
It works better overall.
Don’t care, just pick one and don’t change it every six months.
This is the correct answer.
3 upvotes from my cats.
My cat has never cared, I have a shit sleep schedule anyways 🤷♀️
At 9 o’clock, or whenever they think it’s 9 o’clock, they start staring at me. Weirdly unsettling.
Set all clocks to UTC military time and calendars to YYYY.MM.DD. Date change happens on UTC.
“My work hours are from 1400 to 2200 until 2024.12.21 at which time I will be available from 1200 until 2000. I will be on vacation from 2024.12.24 until 2025.01.07”.
EDIT: I do think that the colon helps readability, so 24hr might be a better choice than military (14:00 to 22:00).
You’re describing Japan.
Japan uses JST not UTC. I mean use UTC globally.
Thisssssssssss! I work internationally and we use UTC, people would get used to the switch after a year at most and we would generally be a more functional society
We have the technology available to completely localize time. Solar noon could always be noon for everybody. If you want to schedule a meeting with somebody on the same system, only the longitude of the time is needed to convert.
This is by far the more important aspect
Humans are routine oriented creatures, introducing an arbitrary hour deficit in sleep once a year has measurable and fairly profound effects on physical and mental health. Sure, it can be planned for, but circadian rhythms are hard to mess with for a lot of people and going to bed an hour earlier isn’t always an option
Split the difference by adding 30 minutes in the spring and then leave it there permanently.
But not, like… every Spring, right?
Correct
Spring forward and leave it there. In the fall it currently gets dark at 5 pm. It’s depressing to get off work and not have any daylight to enjoy and run errands. It’s also dangerous because tired drivers are coming home in a dark rush hour.
Word. I couldn’t care less whether the sun rises while I’m on the bus to work or while I’m getting my first coffee at work. Have to wake up in the dark either way. But whether or not i get that one hour of daylight after work makes a world of a difference in my mental health.
When i worked at a ski basin, I called that “working from dark to dark,” and i hate it so fucking much.
I wish work places were more flexible with start/stop times
I work a dead end job with mediocre pay and no benefits but i will never leave because i get in when i get in and leave when i leave. Not having an insane focus on time makes this the best job I’ve ever had.
So, now the tired drivers are driving to work in the dark. I don’t see any solution making a real difference. There’s less day in the winter. Any solution at all will piss off 3/4s of the population.
Seems like the only real solution is shortened work days.
There’s usually 8 hours of sunlight during the day on the shortest day of the year, a bit more or less depending on latitude, but not by a lot. Make those 8 hours 9-5. Congrats, you’ve solved the problem, the average day will have a bit to a lot of light before and after the standard work day.
I love that we don’t change here in Japan (I grew up in the US), but I do wish our time zone had sunrise a bit later (it rises at like 4am in eastern Japan in summer). Splitting Japan into two timezones would also probably be necessary (maybe even more for the minor islands. Yonaguni is almost Taiwan)
The 04:30 sunrise was a hilarious thing to get used to. But summer sunsets are not inconvenient and winter sunsets feel the same as they were in the US
Growing up in south Texas, I was more bothered by it still being daylight at 9PM during the summers.
I don’t mind keeping the whole country within a single time zone. It’s never going to be perfect for everybody, but it’s close enough.
I work outside doing farming and it sucks to have to wake up at like 3am in summer to not die to the heat (and then work my other job after which can run later)
The whole switching clocks thing is a mindfuck in Texas. Summer it’s daylight at 9 pm. Winter it’s dark at 5 pm. That’s a four hour spread exacerbated by the time change.
