People on bikes may be rude and may not follow the rules, but can’t be aggressive.
When a man with a .45 meets a man with a rifle, the man with a pistol will be a dead man.
Original stripe from the Onion: https://www.theonion.com/bum-rush-hour-1846606314
Cross-posted from: https://mastodon.uno/users/rivoluzioneurbanamobilita/statuses/113615912203015089
And when they have their own lane:
Literally me every day going solids 35km/h on the bike lane passing the cars stuck In traffic. Is delicious.
Me too. There’s usually an unbroken line of jammed-up cars from my home all the way to my workplace, and I get to ride past it on a separated bike lane.
Every day I walk into the office with a smile on my face.My company have 3 days home office 2 in the office, but I like to go everyday to the office mainly because I love to start the day with a 30 minutes bike ride.
My company has the same policy. I like to go every day cause like you, the commute is a bonus instead of lost time.
And also, I have ADHD and need to be in the office to be motivated to work.Lmao, same for me. I understand that some people are more productive on home, specially if they’re already tired for the commute and transit when they’re finally on the office. But for me, in house they are so many distractions, that I can’t really finish anything in time.
I am visiting Boston. I am looking forward to using their transit, but their biking has not left a good impression so far. In one spot, they had a bike lane symbol, but it was just on a busy street between parking and traffic with no actual lane. In another spot, there was an actual lane, but people were parking on it. And just in general, there aren’t a lot of obvious places to bike around. People are making it work, but it just looks dangerous.
There’s room for a lot of improvement, and drivers hungry for parking are already fighting back against the changes we have.
Something that makes the experience much nicer is if I manage to plan out a destination that will take me along one of the community paths that are walking/bike specific. But yes, ideally you shouldn’t need to do such a thing.
Wait, this artist is serious and not mocking drivers with this opinion? Lol
Poe factor means you can’t tell. (And either side may claim it and use the imagery regardless of authorial intent.
Pretty sure that’s the onion
No
And the same people are the loudest complainers when bike lanes are installed so this doesn’t happen.
I was riding on a two-lane road a couple of years ago. I heard a car approaching from behind, and he went really wide into the opposite lane to pass me. This was thoughtful of him except that there was a white van coming the opposite way which had to get almost all the way over to their curb to avoid hitting the car passing me head on. The driver of the white van stuck his head out of his window and yelled at me “YOU’RE GONNA GET SOMEBODY KILLED!”
I watched someone do that (without the screaming) right in front of a cop car going the other way, to the point where the cop had to hit the brakes to avoid a collision. I had to laugh.
Naturally nothing came of it. You know, driving dangerously isn’t a ticketable offense, for some reason.
Most assholes in cars can’t be bothered to stop for twenty seconds – like they’re supposed to – when there’s an obstruction in their lane. They think there’s some unwritten rule that they absolutely have to be moving no matter what’s on the road in front of them.
The proper thing to do in these “squeezed by a bike” scenarios is to just let the fucking bike determine the pace for a little while, and then wait until the other lane is free and you can pass using it.
They think there’s some unwritten rule that they absolutely have to be moving no matter what’s on the road in front of them.
I’ve experienced that more times than I can count from cyclists on sidewalks that think that I should be expected to dodge out of their way just because they ring their little bell.
Maybe they just want to warn you so you don’t startle when they pass.
Mixed use paths are not great for commuting.
Most sidewalks are not “mixed use”.
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At that point, I’d expect the cyclist to pull over and let traffic flow past.
The same way we expect slower traffic to keep right or use turnouts to let faster traffic pass them on mountain roads. Nothing wrong with being slower or less comfortable on the roads, but if you are causing traffic to back up, you can get out of the way.
The biker’s loss is <1min as they use a turnout, shoulder or sidewalk, and the cars all get where they are going without needing to perform riskier passing maneuvers.
Doesn’t generally apply if you have a single car but I’ve been in a situation behind a cyclist where I wasn’t knowledgeable about the road ahead and was unable to find a place to safely pass for a while. I clearly was making the cyclist nervous, and I was nervous. A 10 second delay for the cyclist would have resolved the issue. Instead, I spent more like a minute waiting for a moment with enough visibility to let me safely pass.
Clearly you’ve never commuted by bike. You’d get nowhere if you’d have to let cars safely pass.
Most assholes in cars can’t be bothered to stop for twenty seconds – like they’re supposed to – when there’s an obstruction in their lane.
The problem is that this applies to assholes on bikes, too. This is not to defend asshole car drivers, but you cannot deny that quite a number of bicycle riders have a rather loose connection to the rules of the road.
Yeah also the Adjuster that killed that CEO was seen leaving on a bike!1!1!1!
He also used a backpack and jacket!!! We will outlaw those next.
Yeah, no more clothes!
Wait that would actually solve the issue of fast fashion.
Weird that you link directly to the post of original comic, but then share a lower quality, fuzzy version.
Why not just use the image in the original post you linked to?
I think some lemmy instances use thumbnail caching.
Drivers in my city liberally use the bike lane as an impromptu turn lane, especially if another car is behind them even more if a bike is in the lane.
If it’s California that’s legally required. I know bicyclists in California are unfamiliar with the concept of laws, but that’s how they work.
There’s a dotted line when a car lane crosses a bike lane. That is not in every intersection. I agree we need to standardize and dummy proof stuff more but there’s only so much you can do with drivers who think it’s okay to turn the shoulder into an extra lane during a highway backup.
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I think you may be the only person in the state to have read that, also the dotted lines need to extend that far then. Their entire purpose is to visually represent that area.
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We’ll yeah, you’re kind of supposed to follow the lines. The entire point of them is to be a visual indicator, especially in border areas where you get a lot of people from out of state/country driving. It’s the agreed principle that keeps car accidents from happening.
I don’t think you’ve driven a car before
woe is you thinking the bike lane is anything more than an extended turn lane, especially outside of California.
we should all be more like Frayedpickles here and mow down the bikes in the bike only lane, teach them that they should keep their weak aluminum a-frames off our glorious car lanes.
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I don’t get this reaction. Cars should be in the bike lane for turning because after dooring the most common way to get injured is getting hooked by a turning car. Where I live we don’t really have bike lanes, but when you do have them cars don’t tend to look for you passing and turn as soon as they are signaled to do so.
just like school shootings, this seems to not be an issue in the rest of the world.
Really high Poe factor. I can’t tell if the cartoonist is posting this ironically or not.
I’ve heard enough people regard bicyclists as a menace (and feeling ashamed in the cases when I’m quiet about being a bicyclist) that this really is how we’re seen.
ETA the source explains a lot. Not knowing where it came from, though, seriously high Poe.
It’s a parody news site
Kelly’s artistic screeds are devoid of irony, but as the invention of Colorado-based cartoonist Ward Sutton, Kelly the character — much like Stephen Colbert’s former Comedy Central bloviator — is composed almost entirely of irony. And that joke-within-a-joke makes all the difference.
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Sutton is a true student of old newspaper comic strips and cartoons, so what emerged was a character whose persona embodied this “man out of time” approach — a cartoonist who is himself a caricature of a blind-to-his-own-buffoonery pundit, producing old-timey cartoons that ripple with parody.
A visual stroll through the Kelly collection is like a meta-history lesson in editorial cartooning before sardonic subtlety became fashionable. Kelly’s illustrations, reflecting wading-pool deep takes on the news, are larded with labels (“today’s no-good teens,” “today’s troop haters,” “benevolent America”) that skewer the worst practitioners of the art form. Kelly sees himself as a political “king of comedy,” but in truth, he is as deluded as Robert De Niro’s bad stand-up Rupert Pupkin in Martin Scorsese’s “The King of Comedy.” He would have been painfully mediocre at best in his own era; in our era, he is laughably hackneyed.
Ben Garrison uses this style unironically, so at a glance it’s hard to tell. https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/people/ben-garrison
I’ve heard enough people regard bicyclists as a menace
The point is, most aren’t. But the handful of assholes are the ones that stay in the mind. Just like with car drivers.
Being introspective, I wasn’t great, learning from the bike messenger sector who was adroit at aggressive driving downtown, but to be fair San Francisco has an intense, unkind traffic vibe (at least compared to Vacaville and Sacramento, when my then-girlfriend was driving from Vacaville and Sacramento to visit me every other week.
In my opinion, the best traffic community in SF was on Clement street in the commercial area (a blend of Chinese community and Russian community small businesses) in which everyone drove horribly but did so at five miles per hour, so I could be patient while a cluster sorted themselves out, and in the meantime find an opening to zip through.
German right wing party AfD had one just like this, but unironically
They’ve done studies with motorcycles and a big problem we need to overcome is: For some reason our brains ignore people on bikes sometimes. It sounds silly but it’s a real thing I promise. I support anything anti car related, but any Bike lane shouldn’t come within 50 ft of a road cars use. The mainstream trend of all cars bad lends too much ammunition to the pro car crowd. It’s not pretty or satisfying but it’s true. It’s a nash equilibrium and there’s only so much we can do.
Edit: Just putting this here for google. Working towards a car free world is going to be a ton of work. Our efforts here are focused on appeasing the car centrists. I want independent bike lanes away from heavy machinery and toxic exhaust chemicals. I want the cars we do have to use, relegated to roads where their bulk and fumes aren’t affecting anyone. Picking a fight with anyone not towing the party line is stupid, and should be below this community.
“Mainstream trend of all cars bad” which mainstream is that? Because last I checked Australia, Canada, the US and the UK are all still extremely car centric. This also completely ignores the fact that it is car centrism that causes the disregard for pedestrians and people on bikes. Finland and Denmark certainly don’t seem to have an abundance of poeple developing bike blindness and they have mixed traffic zones all over the place.
Your logic is pretty silly. By that same beat we must really like work and paying taxes. I dont know any ‘car centrists’ in my daily, but maybe you do.
No evidence for my claim, however I think a lot of the not noticing bikes while driving is just an expectations thing. People expect large metal boxes with 4+ wheels barreling down the place. They don’t expect something smaller, with fewer wheels, and in some cases completely silent. Because they don’t expect it, they don’t process it.
What’s this mean? Well, for one it means we don’t simply “ignore” people on bikes. That’s a facet of our limited attention and expectations. It also means this trend can be changed. If we condition people to expect and look out for bikes/motorcycles, people will probably be FAR less likely to not see them.
You are absolutelt right. There is at least a study that proved that drivers who also use bicycles are better at noticing stuff. The rationale would be that if you are also a cyclist you know thst the road is not only used by cars.
If you are interested I can problably find that study.
Having data to back up my claims is always nice.
Sure! Have a nice read!
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S000145751730249X
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Having infrastructure like a bike lane can help with this. If you see a bike lane, it is reasonable to assume a bike may be using it. This can help keep you looking for bikes at intersections.
People below you just continue the circlejerk, but I’ll address you directly. Yes, if we throw a ton of effort at training drivers to also use bikes, and expect this effect to hold as strong outside a study environment - it could work. People really do just ignore bikers though. Even bikers did it.
I CAN’T HELP IT UR HONOR! MY BRAIN JUST DOESN’T SEE BIKES! IT’S SIMPLE BIOLOGY REALLY!
Literally this, but unironically, and less stupid 🤣
Your honor I was suffering from car-fluenza which my highly paid personal doctor will testify is a real medical condition.
You should forget about stroads. Stroads are hell.
Separate roads for bikes and cars.
The reaosn people.ignore.bikes is because they’re off in the shoulder. Ive had much more space given to me by cars when I take the lane (riding where the car’s left tire runs in the road).
Bicyclests would be safer if they took motorcycle courses and learned how to ride to be seen.
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Just push him out of it. The mental gymnastics…
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Bike needs a ‘Latest fad’ asterisk
The bicycle was invented in 1817. It isn’t the ‘Latest fad’.
It’s a Kelly comic, facts aren’t relevant
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No what I hate about bikes besides everyone saying it doesn’t happen is them not following the rules of the road
Man, if only they had like a place to fuck off to, so they don’t have to be on the road… Maybe like an area completely off the street? COUGHS IN DUTCH
Yes, in a car
I fucking hate dodging cyclists, especially when visiting my mom in the country side, single lanes, poor visibility, god forbid it’s summer and everyone’s out fucking cycling. You know where I never had to go around a cyclist? Literally any Dutch city I visited, because bikes lanes are almost completely separate. Driving in the Netherlands is fucking great. Despite the bike infrastructure, drivers aren’t at all compromised. Just look at their highways, shit looks like a copy paste of American highways.
This is what you people sound to me like ever since my trip in the Netherlands:
like not parking or driving in the bike lanes ? Like not speeding on every street because of the “cushion” ?
like driving without a license ? or insurance ?
oh you were whining about the human powered vehicle not the one the needs gas/coal/oil. My bad.
Every time I take my bike I’m amazed at how many car drivers don’t follow (or don’t know) the rules about overtaking safely.
You only get to pass me if there is plenty of space and it’s absolutely safe for both of us. Just because you’re in a car doesn’t mean you’re entitled to squeeze past and nearly run me over.
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Sometimes, though rarely, they even come to a complete stop at the slow down sign.
This comic is woefully inaccurate. There’s no way there are three people in that car. Also it’s not a car, it’s an SUV or a truck.
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Reminds me of my bike messenger days.
