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    Sure I’ll think about them, as soon as they cede all their wealth and give their companies to the workers.

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    Just a reminder, if you think what happened on DDD Day was murder and not self defense, you don’t have a problem with violence, you just hate when poor people do it.

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          Oh god. I was reading through the page and this gem was down in the section on the response from healthcare companies:

          Another executive was quoted saying “What’s most disturbing is the ability of people to hide behind their keyboards and lose their humanity.”

          Says the people who hide behind keyboards, phone calls, employees, doctors, guards, police as they hurt people they don’t know. Talk about losing your humanity.

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            Your quote is included in this Financial Times piece (archived version) but it’s immediately followed sorry, preceded by my favorite. And by favorite, I mean one of the most vile things I’ve ever heard.

            One former Cigna executive recalled how the US health insurer used to frequently face threats when claims were denied. “We’d have times when you’d deny proton laser therapy for a kid with seizures and the parent would freak out,” said the former executive.

            Proton Laser Therapy is used to precisely kill tumors. You know, like tumors in a brain that are causing seizures. How dare those parents “freak out” just because you are refusing to cover their child’s cancer treatment? These fuckers are completely out of touch. They honestly think they have the moral high-ground letting kids die in order to increase shareholder value. I now really understand why the guillotine was invented.

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              That has to be one of the most depraved and appalling things I’ve ever read. I just got a piece of mail from cigna telling me to sign up for their supplemental insurance before something terrible happens to me.

              I think I’ll use it to curse their CEO and lackeys instead. I don’t know if that shit works, but it might offer some catharsis after finding out they deny epileptic children with cancer treatment and are baffled when parents “freak out.” Seriously, those inhuman husks can eat shit and choke.

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                Cigna has a new policy, starting 2025, that you can only get your medications covered at either CVS or Walgreens. Not both. So now I have to move two prescriptions to CVS which is way farther away and I prefer Walgreens. This Walgreens is always out of stock on two of my prescriptions, so they forced my hand.

                They didn’t even send a letter, just an email about it. A bunch of people are going to get a very expensive surprise.

                I know it’s not on the level of murder, I’m just kinda surprised they went through with it after what happened.

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              I was reading a Facebook post about how UHC denied a kid their anti-rejection meds for a liver transplant because there was a cheaper one the kid had already had a bad reaction to, and they thought he should give that one a try again first… 🤦

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              The private health industry needs to die, and all executives with it. I can’t tell if those words are worse than straight up hate speech with the nonchalant way it is worded. He doesnt even consider the lives of those children as real at all. That denying those claims is denying life. This is the prevailing attitude at huge conglomerates and I’ve had my fill. They deserve what they dish out, death.

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            they’ve become like politicians or lawyers or police or soldiers who don’t care about the damage they’ve inflicted on millions of people’s lives and believe that what they’re doing is justified because it’s for some “greater good” and never mind that the people they’re harming were never part of that greater good.

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            I will not hesitate to leave my keyboard and go fight the revolution to help seaze control of the means of production

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    Nationalize:

    • insurance
    • hospitals
    • prisons
    • public transit

    It’s perfectly possible to have your capitalist desires and still have a nice socialist structure to protect the people.

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        From my experience living in a very socialist country; fair housing can be handled by rules instead of ‘nationalizing’. So the rules and pricing around them would be handled by the government, but not the houses themselves.

        A big one I’m missing is schools.

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            Yeah sure, allowing both nationalized and privatized sectors to coexist can lead to positive stuff.

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              Wait what is that sarcastic? I don’t get it. For us there is co existance of govt. and private schools, and both are being used by the public

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                I’m mostly talking in the general sense.

                In my country there are a few private schools but employers don’t care for them. They need to follow the official curriculum and the students will have to do the same official tests at the end of the year.

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              If private schools are going to exist they should have a minimum curriculum actually enforced so that students attending them aren’t put at a disadvantage.

              For example, sex education should be required as part of health and human biology. Not it’s own separate, needlessly controversial thing.

              Many private schools are religious and refuse to teach certain topics, or replace them with nonsense and it hurts their students.

              But also don’t give them tax money. They rake it with their excessive tuition already.

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      First of all in the list Education, without crucifixes above the blackboards

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        Honestly anything that’s required to live in the society IMO should be socialized. That way no corporation can decided how much my life is worth. I also believe that capitalism has been an extremely powerful tool to bring wealth to the middle class. Socialized Capitalism maybe. Is that possible? Some European countries have done it I guess. I’m no expert or politician, just a working man. Maybe somehow it can be done.

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          Markets, not Capitalism, can be useful at lower stages of development. However, over time, they become more and more exploitative and inefficient, transforming into Imperialism across international lines. Public Ownership and Central Planning becomes more efficient with respect to the level of development of market industries.

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      thats kinda every socialist countrys baseline (that works) and its also why the american propaganda associates it with CoMMuNisM.

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        What do you mean “socialist country thay works,” in a manner opposed to Communism? Are you calling the Nordic Countries “socialist,” despite reliance on hyper-exploitation of the global south and sliding worker protections, as a means to discredit AES countries?

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          in Austria we call it “sozialdemokratie” and i believed americans translate that to socialism. wich is not national socialism or communism btw. and yes i do because, as i said, you can have a social base for your country and still habe a capitalist economy structure.

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            Social Programs within a Capitalist framework are concessions. In the European Countries, these social programs have been eroding over time, because the Workers do not have control. Moreover, the European Countries (and US, of course) rely on Imperialism, ie hyper-exploiting the Global South by exporting Capital and intentionally engaging in unequal exchange. These are parasitic countries that do not fund their safety nets inwardly, but externally, they only work like a leech works to produce food for itself, by taking from others.

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      Social programs are not “socialism,” nor are markets “capitalism.” What determines the nature of an economy is what is dominant, the will of Capital or the will of the People. That’s why Social Democracies are sliding into austerity, because the Workers never actually siezed control Capital still dominates the system and disparity rises as a consequence.

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      They can’t allow that. That’s called leaving money on the table. They will not be satisfied until they have every penny we earn, then, once that food source dries up, they’ll go after each other.

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    Just a reminder but the bourgeoisie are the “middle class”, and that the CEO who was killed is part of a capitalist oligopoly.

    The bourgeoisie haven’t been targeted here, an aristocrat has.

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      Aristocrats were an offshoot of feudalism, the bourgeoisie are the Capital Owners. The “middle class” is the petite bourgeoisie, who are Capital Owners that must labor, ie small business owners. This was the bourgeoisie, not an aristocrat.

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        Absolutely, I just meant that the inhuman monster who was killed wasn’t bourgeoisie, he was an aristocrat. These are rich families that stay rich by exploiting the poor and (few remaining) bourgeoisie.

        In end stage capitalism you’re oligarchy, poor, or soon to be one of the two.

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          He wasn’t an inhuman monster, he was a product of the capitalist system. When he dies, someone else replaces him, as the the system demands.

          And, in Marxists terms anyway, he was not an aristocrat. The bourgeoisie overthrew the aristocracy hundreds of years ago. Capitalism is a different mode of production from feudalism. He was a member of the capitalist class, he was bourgeois.

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          he’s probably the closest thing that americans can have to an aristocrat; but, traditionally, aristocrats had more relative wealth and influence than this ceo did.

          marxists & leninists have definitions for lots of words that have been adopted by everyone of the last century+ but pop culture likes to redefine those words every few years and seeing the pop culture definitions clash with the accepted definitions is a really common sight here, given pronounced m/l userbase and i love seeing it because it keeps reminding me that i’m so americanized that i can understand that aristocrats like this ceo are more bougie that the bourgeois. lol

          and in a sense, he is an aristocrat because he has significant enough influence in government policy to permanently enrich himself and his allies just like the aristocrats of the past did and his children will likewise hold similar wealth and influence, effectively creating a modern day feudal dynasty.

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    The ones that simp the hardest for the dead CEO were calling anyone who doesn’t love Netanyahu’s genocide a trumper.

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    ShitLibs when somebody kills/harms/insults a capitalist, a warlord (“defense contractor”), a capitalist dictator, a war criminal, or anyone with power:

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    My problem with this is, who gets to decide where bourgeoisie start and ends. Because for the majority of the world, the average American is a selfish bourgeois with a big house and two cars, who thinks oppression is when the gas price rise. Kill all the bourgeois fine, but who gets to decide who lives and who dies?

    edit: jeez americans, we dont have to agree on everything and downvote to hell just because someone says something we dont like. Maybe in the US shooting people you dont like seems like a resonable solution, but I’m sorry it’s not that simple in the rest of the world.

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      If they’re “anti-violence” and it doesn’t even cross their mind that they’re defending wage slavery.

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      They usually have lemmy.world handles. Not saying you are, but the admins and many of the mods of .world are said turbolibs and shaped their instance around it

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        Thank you, as someone newer to the lemmy.world, I’m just getting my bearings and have tons to learn here. Doing some poking around and it looks like lemmy.ml may be a better home for me 😁

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      Means nothing to me. What is a turbolib? It’s difficult to understand much of anything when everyone has a different name for everyone else.

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        Lib is an American capitalist culture war word like woke. It’s a Schrödinger term. Capitalists both claim they’re libs without actually promoting any freedoms, but also libs are commies/sjws and the source of all moral decay because a strong boot on the neck is preferred. And then both of the variations keep repeated ad nauseam doing the capitalist bidding so who the fuck knows anymore.

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    Bourgeoisie is the middle class though. Not the rich

    Wow, downvoted for using the definition of a word smh