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    It’s not against the TOS. You can advocate for violence against the poor and minorities all day on here. But advocating for them to defend themselves is apparently over the line.

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      Notice how hard they’re going after the shooter? The NYPD is actually making an effort for once and the FBI is involved even though there doesn’t seem to be any evidence that this is a federal matter (has the shooter crossed state lines? Has the victim’s civil rights been violated?). We’ve always known that law enforcement is for them and not us but it’s pretty blatant.

      I’d say “you get what you pay for“ but the C suite doesn’t pay taxes.

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      I’ve noticed most communities have been overtaken by, at best, centrist mods. Most of whom have power issues, and ban for personal reasons. Looking at you JonsJava, jeffw.

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        Huh

        I say some wild shit and they just tell me to stop wilding

        Except for FlyingSquid, because he doesn’t want to admit Israel is using religion as an excuse for genocide for some weird reason.

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        just pointing out that this type of censorship goes hand in hand with attempting to defed/disaggregate .world from the more left wing lemmies.

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            If you want the best of both worlds, Midwest has access to both, though I do have to block quite a few .world comms because I can’t stand the users’ irrational hatred of obsession with dunking on leftists (edit: and pearl clutching).

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              Yikes! I’m a leftie myself and I haven’t been on this platform enough to notice. Definitely moving.

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                Lemmy.ml is good if you want access to close to everything on the Leftist side of Lemmy. If I were you, though, I would browse the main Leftist instances like Hexbear, Grad, lemmy.ml, etc locally and pick which one has a good local and good all feed.

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            ml still has access to hexbear/grad and .world so it’s my preferred instance just so I don’t need to account switch just to browse the different perspectives

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          I assume you mean the ML and Hexbears, who are dedicated to the fall of the west at any cost, including lives.

          So, I can understand how people wouldn’t want to be federated with that sort of parlor pink bullshit.

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            parlor pink

            dedicated to the fall of the west at any cost, including lives

            Hadn’t heard that euphemism before, but it seems a weird accusation to levvy when the existing western order is already built on a huge mountain of lives, costing more and more each year.

            If anything it’s “leftists” rejecting (and censoring discussion in support of) the idea that violence at some level is going to be necessary who are the ones who would be the “parlor pink”

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                I don’t like how they’ve taken a turn toward liberalizing and “opening up” their healthcare industry so vultures like the guy who got today can get even wealthier off of everyone else.

                Maybe there’s some logic to it, but I think it sucks.

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                  And would you agree that by enabling people to become billionaires makes them quite the opposite of communist? Almost like everyone at the top in every country is the actual problem?

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              at any cost, including lives.

              Lmfao, as if tankies aren’t just as blood thirsty as your typical conservative…

              Authoritarians be authoritarian-ing (and those who defend them be enabling)… ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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                You missed the part where i was turnin his exact words back on him, jackie.

                If you want in this thread? you start by reading. Thats shit talk 101. If you want to try again, it’ll have to be with someone with more patience than me.

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              I don’t want anyone to die. And I don’t think the civilians of a country should have to pay the price for the brainwashing done by their corrupt government. Practically every major country does this. The people aren’t to blame.

              There ARE people who should suffer, and they are the ruling class and the billionaires. Yet everyone loves to blame the little guys because they’ve been told to. Even you.

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          hexbear/grad

          Lol, authoritarians aren’t left wing (and if you think tankies aren’t manipulated by just as large a government operation, you’re being wilfully ignorant. It coming from a non-American government doesn’t make it any better)

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            All revolutions are going to be authoritarian, the extent of that really is a reflection of how dire the conditions have been.

            I don’t take their reporting at face value any more than I do the stuff that comes from western media. I just don’t see how it helps any sort revolutionary change happen in America to have every speech platform moderated directly by the government.

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        I think it’s a lot of the same problem with every social media platform. There’s simply a lot of government agents and private partners that get into positions to moderate and control online speech platforms. It’s how they maintain their power. By controlling what we are allowed to talk about, which never includes speech that’s a threat to their position and power.

        Look at how many executives at Facebook are former IDF or CIA. Reddit admins used to have a blogpost up that their highest traffic source came from a government astroturfing farm at Eglin Air Force base. This isn’t a conspiracy. They’re very open about what they’re doing. They have so much control at this point, they no longer feel the need to operate covertly. They spend a great deal of time and money making sure they own the people who moderate the biggest communities, or the admins who can overrule them.

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      on here

      Do you think that all Lemmy is just your instance? What does “on here” mean in this context to you?

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        On the internet as a whole. We are allowed to celebrate and glorify violence against the poor and minorities. Not rich white people.

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          I’ve been on the Internet for decades and got my first bans after October 2023 trying to fight back against the insane islamaphobia and western chauvinism of the entire world (shitting in China, any Islamic nation, Russia etc when the west is morally as bad if not worse) I’m not even a Muslim, I just have the benefit of seeing the humans behind the religion (for all people of all religions tho not all sects are religions are equal)

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            They’re cracking down hard now. Got permabanned a month ago from Reddit, because I said I didn’t care if Trump called for Liz Cheney to be shot after she’s called for millions to be bombed. Again, not banned for encouraging or glorifying- just for saying I didn’t care.

            It’s not just threats of violence they’re going after now. They’re banning people for not supporting the right kinds of violence, or for supporting equal application of the law.

            And the apologist bots are escalating all over social media, too. They’re scared. They should be.

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    I support the idea of giving bunnies to horrible rich people, in order to warm their hearts and get them to change their ways. But it is important to note that even if you successfully bun down one person (that is to say, get someone to stop being evil by giving them a bunny), the system will find someone else to take their place. Ideally, you want to establish a credible promise that you’ll provide bunnies whenever they go too far and hurt people with their actions, but that’s not really something that can be accomplished on an individual level. That’s just too many bunnies for one person to take care of, and if anything happens to you, who will take care of them?

    In order to ensure consistent delivery of bunnies, what you really need is an organization and a support network. Of course, not everyone needs to be the one out there handing out bunnies. You might be surprised how hard it is to secure transportation and a safe place to stay when you’re travelling with a furry friend, and you might run into trouble if you’re trying to leave town after the fact, but your clothes are all covered in fur.

    The way I see it, promises are what make the world go 'round. Yeah, you can just pull out a bunny and surprise someone and that’s cool and good, but when you only have so many bunnies to hand out, ideally you just want to communicate what behavior will warrant a response so that they can avoid that behavior in the future (in order to avoid ending up getting overwhelmed by joy).

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      better to have a bun and not need it than need a bun and not have one!

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    I’ve got a story idea for a cyberpunk dystopia. Imagine a world almost identical to ours. In that world, some inventive person creates a darknet website that allows anonymous donations to put bounties on corporate executives. Now, this site’s creator wants to make sure their site isn’t misused, so they implement guardrails like “Targets would be required to have over $10M in assets” and “each crypto wallet may contribute a maximum of $5 so it better reflects the will of the people.”

    Then, the site admin adds betting options like “who reaches a $1M bounty first”, over/under odds, betting on which target gets whacked first, etc, in order to draw traffic to the site. Maybe there’d also be a percentage of the bounty that’s paid out to organizations working to heal the damage caused by the target, so for example if a fossil-fuel exec gets whacked then that percentage goes to orgs working to stop fossil fuels.

    How do you think it’d play out in this story? Would the site properly incentivize people to shoot up boardrooms rather than schools?

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        It’d be fun to watch, it’d be engaging to the crowd, and it’d terrorize capitalists. Especially with real-time updates, imagine a CEO doing a press release and then having their bounty skyrocket as people hear the news.

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      So…black mirror bee episode, without the bees. Hated of the nation? Something like that.

      Only way schools start to see improvements is when it’s rich kids getting capped, forcing lawmakers to, you know, make laws.

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      There was a dark web site kinda like this (just a regular assassination market; not sure if it was real or a honey pot): https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_market

      It’s also the reason prediction markets have been so heavily regulated (until recently), because they can easily incentivize assassinations while adding plausible deniability.

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      It wasinvented to make executions more merciful as doing it “manually” came with many mishaps and iirc being the dude with the axe was not something many could stomach for long

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        We don’t actually want to kill billionaires.

        We joke about it because we want them to stop slowly killing us.

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        “THERE were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.” - Mark Twain

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        Do you really read that and not conclude that we’ve been living in a perpetual Reign of Terror for the past few decades (or at least since the civil rights era)? This was a response during the beginning of the French Revolution, if we’re following historical playbooks than the revolution needs to be concluded.

        edit: meant civil rights, not civil war.

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    don’t mind the foam around their mouths. they’re just happy to see you!

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    You know, I can see the headline if a Lemmy user used a bun on a billionaire. “Fringe social media platform encourages bunnilence towards innocent billionaires”… Actually has a good ring to it, although it reminds me of how people point to 4chan for the start of Qanon. Ugh

    Now that I think of it, would they require instance managers to narc over user data? Admins? If someone on a more extreme instance was to bun a billionaire, would everyone on Lemmy get put on a list or just their instance? Hmmm.