Everyone always laughs at hitting someone in the head with a punch/can of beans/baseball bat/2x4/karate chop/whatever and knock them out. The joke being that the person will wake in ten minutes or an hour like in the movies and they’ll go about living again.
In real life if you knock someone out cold with some kind of hit to their head … you’ve more than likely killed them or put them in a place where they will die within the next hour or two.
Being knocked out is literally one step before dead and can have serious aftereffects like parts of your swollen brain dying because there’s too less space for a swollen brain in your skull.
I too was once knocked out as a child and barfed 3 days afterwards with memory loss.
It is not one step before death. Holy shit are you being dramatic.
I had a TBI as a result of a double impact - minor concussion where I didn’t pass out skateboarding (and didn’t know it), then the next day friendly fire collision with a friend in the park snowboarding. I was knocked out for five minutes, had an out of body experience, came to very aggressively with a permanent change of personality that persists to this day half a lifetime later. That being said I was nowhere near death, had a I been knocked out into a coma things would be different.
TBIs are nothing to mess with, they change you for life. ADHD like symptoms, mental health struggles, aggression and explosive anger, memory loss, gaslighting from medical professionals about the severity of the injury (the 2000s were rough…) and opening yourself up to abuse by future significant others because you don’t trust your own memory. Never mind the struggle to maintain employment or how TBIs are invisible disabilities that are tough to get workplace accommodations for.
TBIs are serious, even when they are ‘mild’ (a complete misnomer). But being knocked out ≠ being knocked into a coma which is one step from death. Nor does it mean you’re having a brain bleed. Your brain is inflamed and it’s key not to impact it again for a ~month while the inflammation recedes. Because I had a double impact I ended up permanently damaged. I worry about CTE and dementia later in life as I’ve had other hits to the head since, including getting knocked out momentarily while riding for work.
FYI in case anyone asks - yes I wear a helmet and was wearing one the day of my TBI. Helmets don’t prevent concussions at all, they prevent skull fractures, punctures and lacerations. The helmet saved my life because it prevented skull fracture but more importantly laceration, as my friend collided into my head with the edge of her board first.
I agree it’s not one step before death, but as you elaborated, what it effectively is, is brain damage, which is always something that needs to be taken seriously. I.e. if someone is knocked-out, it’s not something that can be ignored as in “ha ha, they’ll be ok in a couple of minutes”
Most of the time minor concussions that involving being knocked out for a couple minutes or less usually don’t result in lasting brain damage although there is a risk. It’s the double impact - getting hit while the brain is inflamed from the first impact - that leads to the serious problems involving brain damage that I’ve experienced.
A kid getting knocked out for a few moments in a soccer game and then taken out of sports for a couple weeks is gonna see their grades drop in school for a month or so and have recurring headaches and mild memory and focus issues but they won’t be lasting and within a month the effects go away and are not life long. Now if they don’t get pulled out of the game and keep playing and sustain another hard hit they’re in trouble.
That’s what you’re seeing with the pro footballers and boxers and CTE when they hit their late 30s and 40s.
My point is the severity of head injuries ranges from get an ice pack, Tylenol and some rest to get a helicopter this person isn’t gonna make it much longer. And then everything in between. The initial comment of one step from death! is dramatic as hell which is why I made the comments I made from experience.
Most concussions are minor with no lasting effects.
And my point is that you don’t know how dangerous a concussion is going to be without monitoring which is why every concussion needs to be taken seriously!
Depends where you hit and how hard. It’s the emergency shutdown because of concussion. If the concussion was too hard, it can swell and then it gets dangerous. Not to mention fragile places like temple or neck.
I don’t think the word convulsion means what you think it means. Do you mean concussion? Concussion is only one type of head injury, though, with different grades to it.
That is… Incorrect, there is about a 30% death rate within one year of brain trauma but there is absolutely no data showing that someone is going to die within an hour of being knocked unconscious more often than not, especially if they are young
I’m not saying that you’re wrong. You sound like you might know what you’re talking about. I just like publications and medical evidence. I trust that you won’t take it the wrong way.
That is… Incorrect, there is about a 30% death rate within one year of brain trauma […]
Source?
[…] but there is absolutely no data showing that someone is going to die within an hour of being knocked unconscious more often than not, […]
Do you have a metastudy or something for that?
especially if they are young
That last sentence, do you have a source for the difference in outcome depending on the patient’s age?
I’d say it’s more a burden for the person making the claim that goes against reality. Imminent death is not in the least a common progression of getting knocked out.
And even if you haven’t killed them outright, they can have permanent disabilities.
If you, or someone you know, gets knocked out, or experiences other symptoms of a central nervous system trauma after a hit to the head, please seek medical care immediately. It’s not one those “take two aspirin and let’s see how it goes in the morning” kinda things.
I’m just one person, but during my life I’ve seen this multiple times. I will refrain from boring you, and doxxing myself, by telling my anecdotes. Suffice it to say that I have known people who would have been dead if they hadn’t gone to work with a “bad hangover”, or ended up with narcolepsy or chronic encephalopathy. And that was separate people BTW.
So I once slipped on a puddle while jogging (in the wrong place) and hit the back of my head on sedimentary tiles.
Since I had stiffened my neck, trying to stretch it backward (yes I was doing that while jogging on wet tiles), my head hit the ground hard.
After about 2 minutes, I fainted for ~10 seconds. Was fine later.
That’s the problem with anecdotal evidence. You can always find that one person who fulfills the criteria but who’s outcome doesn’t match.
Of course you can be fine afterwards. But there’s a considerable risk that you’re not, and experiencing symptoms of a traumatic head injury does warrant a visit to the hospital.
Everyone always laughs at hitting someone in the head with a punch/can of beans/baseball bat/2x4/karate chop/whatever and knock them out. The joke being that the person will wake in ten minutes or an hour like in the movies and they’ll go about living again.
In real life if you knock someone out cold with some kind of hit to their head … you’ve more than likely killed them or put them in a place where they will die within the next hour or two.
False LMFAO.
Source: semi pro snowboarder who’s been knocked out many times
Being knocked out is literally one step before dead and can have serious aftereffects like parts of your swollen brain dying because there’s too less space for a swollen brain in your skull.
I too was once knocked out as a child and barfed 3 days afterwards with memory loss.
Take care of yourself.
It is not one step before death. Holy shit are you being dramatic.
I had a TBI as a result of a double impact - minor concussion where I didn’t pass out skateboarding (and didn’t know it), then the next day friendly fire collision with a friend in the park snowboarding. I was knocked out for five minutes, had an out of body experience, came to very aggressively with a permanent change of personality that persists to this day half a lifetime later. That being said I was nowhere near death, had a I been knocked out into a coma things would be different.
TBIs are nothing to mess with, they change you for life. ADHD like symptoms, mental health struggles, aggression and explosive anger, memory loss, gaslighting from medical professionals about the severity of the injury (the 2000s were rough…) and opening yourself up to abuse by future significant others because you don’t trust your own memory. Never mind the struggle to maintain employment or how TBIs are invisible disabilities that are tough to get workplace accommodations for.
TBIs are serious, even when they are ‘mild’ (a complete misnomer). But being knocked out ≠ being knocked into a coma which is one step from death. Nor does it mean you’re having a brain bleed. Your brain is inflamed and it’s key not to impact it again for a ~month while the inflammation recedes. Because I had a double impact I ended up permanently damaged. I worry about CTE and dementia later in life as I’ve had other hits to the head since, including getting knocked out momentarily while riding for work.
FYI in case anyone asks - yes I wear a helmet and was wearing one the day of my TBI. Helmets don’t prevent concussions at all, they prevent skull fractures, punctures and lacerations. The helmet saved my life because it prevented skull fracture but more importantly laceration, as my friend collided into my head with the edge of her board first.
I agree it’s not one step before death, but as you elaborated, what it effectively is, is brain damage, which is always something that needs to be taken seriously. I.e. if someone is knocked-out, it’s not something that can be ignored as in “ha ha, they’ll be ok in a couple of minutes”
Most of the time minor concussions that involving being knocked out for a couple minutes or less usually don’t result in lasting brain damage although there is a risk. It’s the double impact - getting hit while the brain is inflamed from the first impact - that leads to the serious problems involving brain damage that I’ve experienced.
A kid getting knocked out for a few moments in a soccer game and then taken out of sports for a couple weeks is gonna see their grades drop in school for a month or so and have recurring headaches and mild memory and focus issues but they won’t be lasting and within a month the effects go away and are not life long. Now if they don’t get pulled out of the game and keep playing and sustain another hard hit they’re in trouble.
That’s what you’re seeing with the pro footballers and boxers and CTE when they hit their late 30s and 40s.
Yes, which is why any such injury must be taken seriously (and most medics do so), which is my point.
My point is the severity of head injuries ranges from get an ice pack, Tylenol and some rest to get a helicopter this person isn’t gonna make it much longer. And then everything in between. The initial comment of one step from death! is dramatic as hell which is why I made the comments I made from experience.
Most concussions are minor with no lasting effects.
And my point is that you don’t know how dangerous a concussion is going to be without monitoring which is why every concussion needs to be taken seriously!
Yeah, but the point of the thread is it’s not an automatic death sentence.
While true, Hollywood has done almost irreparable damage to this effect, so maybe some extra scare won’t be too bad.
Relax, it’s just another made up story.
Being knocked out is certainly not good, but it’s not automatic death like you’re suggesting.
Depends where you hit and how hard. It’s the emergency shutdown because of concussion. If the concussion was too hard, it can swell and then it gets dangerous. Not to mention fragile places like temple or neck.
Wdit: concussion, not convulsion
I don’t think the word convulsion means what you think it means. Do you mean concussion? Concussion is only one type of head injury, though, with different grades to it.
That is… Incorrect, there is about a 30% death rate within one year of brain trauma but there is absolutely no data showing that someone is going to die within an hour of being knocked unconscious more often than not, especially if they are young
I’m not saying that you’re wrong. You sound like you might know what you’re talking about. I just like publications and medical evidence. I trust that you won’t take it the wrong way.
Source?
Do you have a metastudy or something for that?
That last sentence, do you have a source for the difference in outcome depending on the patient’s age?
This thread is like getting hit in the head with a can of beans.
The Lemmy experience.
at least show the studies you’re referencing instead of just saying you have them and asking for others to show theirs
It’s because he doesn’t have them.
Bricolo, A., Turazzi, S., & Feriotti, G. (1980). Prolonged posttraumatic unconsciousness: therapeutic assets and liabilities… Journal of neurosurgery, 52 5, 625-34 . https://doi.org/10.3171/JNS.1980.52.5.0625.
And it’s not on me to find the burden of truth for you. That’s a logical fallacy and a bad arguing tactic
Is it not the one who claims something that has the burden of proof? I’m confused.
I’d say it’s more a burden for the person making the claim that goes against reality. Imminent death is not in the least a common progression of getting knocked out.
A weird amount of people were triggered by you asking for evidence. A reflection on our times.
Maybe, but they could’ve also posted the same request for citations on the first poster but did not.
I think that really does reflect how someone can just say whatever and when challenged we are biased to only assume the second opinion as doubtful.
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/15038-concussion This work (not for the 30% thing but just in general)?
And even if you haven’t killed them outright, they can have permanent disabilities.
If you, or someone you know, gets knocked out, or experiences other symptoms of a central nervous system trauma after a hit to the head, please seek medical care immediately. It’s not one those “take two aspirin and let’s see how it goes in the morning” kinda things.
I’m just one person, but during my life I’ve seen this multiple times. I will refrain from boring you, and doxxing myself, by telling my anecdotes. Suffice it to say that I have known people who would have been dead if they hadn’t gone to work with a “bad hangover”, or ended up with narcolepsy or chronic encephalopathy. And that was separate people BTW.
SkillSkull issueSo I once slipped on a puddle while jogging (in the wrong place) and hit the back of my head on sedimentary tiles.
Since I had stiffened my neck, trying to stretch it backward (yes I was doing that while jogging on wet tiles), my head hit the ground hard.
After about 2 minutes, I fainted for ~10 seconds. Was fine later.
That’s the problem with anecdotal evidence. You can always find that one person who fulfills the criteria but who’s outcome doesn’t match.
Of course you can be fine afterwards. But there’s a considerable risk that you’re not, and experiencing symptoms of a traumatic head injury does warrant a visit to the hospital.
Of course I visited the hospital for a CT scan.
Of course I’m not telling you to hit your head for fun.
This is just a fun story, not evidence for anything.
People have survived failed parachutes. Doesn’t mean we can all be Alex Mercer.