Wrong community. This dystopia is about get real interesting, real fast 😬
I would’ve rather had it not be a dystopia, but silver lining and all that.
You can’t beat Trump’s brand of fascism with spineless morally flexible subservient people. People are going to have to fight back do what they can. Dems are already rolling over in advance and some are going to fight with what resources they have. It is going to be rough.
The dems are the wimpy kids who internalized being nice to their bullies will somehow earn them respect and show they are the better people. In reality their abusers only hold them in even more contempt and spit at them at every turn.
Don’t forget to put all the books in a pile and set fire to them. And smash their shop windows.
They have been doing that for years against the ‘wokes’ all the while publishing books that they claim the wokes want to burn when they never did. In their minds anything other than unmitigated cheerleading and throwing support is tantamount to a book burning.
Nice, by the book. The fascist admin guide as seen in most of Europe, recently
When again are americans using their right to bear arms to protect themselves against an authoritarian government? If you dont do it now never again use this argument for the second amendment.
If any of us actually find ourselves in that situation, it would be unwise to post about it on the internet, even if someone is calling you a phoney.
Every post we make here is getting recorded by the NSA.
A lot of Americans don’t feel this is authoritarian and actually welcome it. They would love to have Trump as president for life.
When again are americans using their right to bear arms to protect themselves against an authoritarian government?
Our arms don’t exactly match theirs. The military has a lot more budget than citizens.
Dude, if they didn’t rise up when the kids were cages during Trump’s first term then it is clear they are the brownshirts.
Right, which is why the whole 2nd amendment argument is silly in this day and age.
If we go by the text, only “americans” have that right. Now, the important question is “what is an american”? What characterizes a “non-american” according to the founding fathers?
Hey, anybody remember 12ish years ago when Alex Jones’ worst fear was that Obama was going to use executive power to order the military to be deployed on American soil, violating Posse Comitatus, to massively round up and inter a bunch of Americans in FEMA reducation / death camps?
Anyone?
No one?
Whoo boy, growing up in a fundamentalist Christian household where I was the only one to go to college and everyone else became a Q Anon zombie sure was fuuuunnnnn!
With conservatives every accusation is just projection
I don’t remember that actually. I’m not saying he didn’t say those things. I’m just saying that I never listened to a word that mouth breather said.
Damn. I feel you. I wrote mine a cease and desist and moved 700mi.
I successfully ghosted mine to the point that they probably think I am dead.
Also moved many hundreds of miles away lol.
You read well enough to create a chosen family. Best of luck!
All in due time, thanks for the well wishes =D
Operation Jade Helm
Undocumented Immigrants Contribute Nearly $100 Billion in Taxes a Year
If he actually succeeds in doing this, guess who’s going to be made to fill in that hole.
If you lived in the 80’s, you know where you’re going with this.
Prisons. Good old indentured servitude.
Get ready for more jaywalking arrests.
Yup.
Obviously the answer is to tax billionaires, but that’s never going to happen.
This is step one to collapsing Social Security and Medicare.
Knee cap all the funding from folks who never collect on it, then say, see? It’s collapsing earlier than we thought.
Illegals aren’t growing crops, prisons step in, now prisons are growing crops, now prisons are profiteering from growing crops, higher food prices despite the ““free”” labor as they have conflicts with farmers…
messy messy messy situation
Great if you own a prison, tho.
Isn’t this basically the start of how megacorps destroyed the agriculture industry in Cyberpunk?
The funny part is that that is still likely less that a bus load of billionairs actually paying their taxes like the rest of us do.
Kids that aren’t even born yet (debt spending).
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This dystopia is starting to heat up 😬
Damn that sucks :(
where are those loud mouthed lefties bemoaning, “both parties are the same!”?
cmon folks, don’t get mad this is what you wanted when you gave up your right to vote.
we’re just getting started on the find out part! stick around, it’s gonna be a doozy!
🤡
edit: I just want to thank all the trolls for coming out. my blocked list has never been so full.
where are those loud mouthed lefties
my blocked list
…what? Did anyone ever say that Harris and trump were the same? I’m not sure I ever heard that…
I’ve heard a lot of criticisms rephrased as “bOth SiDes sAMe” by the person with whom they were arguing.
Bro, you need that /s
“Well, what have you to say now, strawman I’ve been ranting about for the entire election cycle? Isn’t it odd that person I made up in my head to he mad at suddenly has nothing to say?”
The person isnt made up though. Too many people calling themselves left didnt vote because the Democratic party isnt perfect. They ruined all chances to get a better candidate in the future
I never heard a single person claim the parties were the same this election cycle, and I certainly didn’t hear anyone say they wouldn’t vote for Harris because, “the Democratic Party isn’t perfect.” I heard lots of people say things like, “I can’t vote for Harris because she’s supporting a genocide,” and while I believe they should have voted for her based upon harm reduction, I understand their perspective and I’m not going to reduce it to a false caricatures.
What are you talking about, we had Jill Stein zombies up the ass who are oddly gone missing
Why would Jill Stein voters keep talking about Jill Stein now on articles that have nothing to do with her? None of the people who voted for her swayed the election at all. It’s not like anyone here is happy Trump won – we all despise him. Third-party voters are in the same boat and doing the same thing as everyone else: figuring out how to survive or escape a country that just lost almost all its checks and balances.
Sorry, it’s true though. Every vote for a third party was a vote for Trump.
Every vote for a third party was a vote for Trump.
by definition, they weren’t
Oh FUCK OFF ALREADY with that garbage. It’s over.
Sho is. Thanks.
I’ve seen the person who posted this article, return2ozma, called a Russian troll account at least once a week since I joined Lemmy, so color me skeptical. Who knows, maybe you’re right, but if so, then you’re the instance that cried, “bot,” one too many times.
Edit: Based on the original commenters edit, I think we solved the mystery of why all the, “bots,” suddenly disappeared.
This place was rife with bots spreading Jill Stein and Claudia de La Cruz propaganda and all of them have completely vanished.
Yeah, but was it, though? Or was it full of people making legitimate criticisms of the Democratic Party only to get accused of being bots or told they thought, “both sides,” were the same? Because I know which of these two things I’ve seen more of in the last year.
Maybe they were humans who’ve realized how dumb they were and ceased posting? One can hope, anyway…
So he’s gonna do what Biden shouldve done about the fucking MAGAts. It’s our patriotic duty to kill every goddamn one of those Nazi pieces of shit and yes that means your trump-loving mother
I think we should be focusing on fighting the people in power, while keeping a very close eye on the neighbor down the street who wears the red hat.
How are people going to be selected for deportation? This feels eerily like what Hitler started doing with Jews.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/26/us/politics/denaturalization-immigrants-justice-department.html
Looks like they’re gonna strip citizenship from “terrorists, war criminals, sex offenders and other fraudsters who illegally obtained naturalization”
Whatever “fraudsters” means… Made a mistake on the citizen application? FRAUDSTER! DEPORTED! Do all of your documents have exactly the same name, middle name, and spelling? No?? IDENTITY THIEF! DEPORTED!
Let’s see how much talent they lose with that…
The incoming Trump administration doesn’t even know who they are planning to deport. The criteria right now could be literally anything from “these specific known individuals who are illegal aliens and also criminals” to “anyone Trump or ICE doesn’t like, including legal citizens who are political dissidents”.
If there was ever a time to own a gun in America, now is that time. Protect yourselves, people. The no-knock raids are just around the corner.
They start with a convenient group (immigrants, legal or not), and will proceed from there. Ask your history teacher about what happened in Germany after 1933, just replace the Jews with PoCs.
This feels eerily like what Hitler started doing with Jews.
We tried to tell folks, but “Haris supports genocide!” won.
The NAZIs made Germany a slave labor nation-state.
That is what is happening here.
People know all about the concentration camps, but the amount of slave labor used in Nazi Germany was massive. In addition to working in factories they literally brought slaves from the Eastern Front to work in German households as maids, and dressed it up like they were happy to be there.
Well there’s this handy color wheel…
Drive through rural America and see how many underpopulated small towns there are. Shuttered businesses for lack of customers. Abandoned buildings. These places need people.
Funny thing is that even the immigrants are smart enough to know the shouldn’t settle in these places because they’re going down the toilet. But the locals? We’re being ignored! Save our useless town with no economic prospects, no educated workforce, and no infrastructure to support anything worthwhile! No, of course we won’t move!. …while they proceed to vote against any social policy that might help them or their future generations out of their trap.
No, of course we won’t move
Try “Can’t”
I don’t know why you city slickers think packing up all your shit and moving into a new house in a new town is free, but it isn’t. We ARE being ignored, worse than that, we’re being left to die.
You wanna get me outta the ruins of farmland? Send a bus to pick me up, make sure there’s a two month paid in advance hotel waiting for me when I get there, and have me a job waiting.
Yeah. I get that. I’m actually super aware of the difficulty in upending your life and spending years making shit money with the hope it will get better. I’ve done it.
But seeing as you “country bumpkins” (are we really doing lousy stereotypes?) constantly tell others to pick themselves up by their bootstraps while undercutting social programs as well I figure it was fair game. Y’know, the same people working jobs that minimum wage hasn’t kept up with for more than a decade but keep getting told those jobs aren’t supposed to support a living. No, of course you won’t move. No, you don’t want anything that might change the situation either. No, you won’t take advantage of loans or other assistance and upend your life to make a major change, because doing that sucks and is risky. But that thought process never applies to other people. Crabs in a bucket. Just reinstate some magical yesteryear that in reality pretty much sucked just as bad except for the part where mom still made dinners for you. Your comment is in a nutshell all of this. We won’t change, and fuck those fictional guys over there for taking advantage of a system that doesn’t actually exist.
I’m actually in a blue county, rural blue areas exist. We know the Republicans wanna eat us, but we wanna know why the Democrats aren’t doing anything outside of barely keeping the wolves at bay.
We’re not dumb, we know the Republicans will end social programs keeping us alive, but we all see the writing on the wall. We know that we will die here.
I find it hard to disagree with anything you said. Having lived in towns small enough to make someone say “There’s a town here?” That is definitely the case.
But the rural parts are also extremely unwelcoming. I have a remote job and those places are typically beautiful and cheap. But it’s Trump country where everyone hates people of color, lgbtq, people of no religion, and anyone different. New money could be injected there plenty by the openness of digital work, but who wants to go be surrounded by hate and Trump supporters?
Sorry, not generalizing about you specifically, but the areas for sure.
I actually live in a Blue County…
I mean, I did too, but Texas was so batshit being in a blue county didn’t help much.
This is why I want to move out to the country to not have to interact with anyone. Acres of land and not another soul in sight is the way.
Tack on the attempts to maintain high/high quality amenities in sparsely populated, low tax revenue areas, and you have a nice fat deficit for your small town compounding that problem.
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The east coast is densely populated. California and large areas of the west coast is densely populated.
But Ohio to the Rockies? Uhhhh…there’s corn. We got corn. Do you like corn?
Yeah. There’s a reason nobody can name anything in Nebraska. Nobodys ever been there. Not even sure they have corn there.
I’m from Iowa and have been through Nebraska (no one stops in Nebraska) and I’m here to report: yes, they do have corn there.
The east coast has more big cities than those other places, but there are still. HUGE number of teeny-tiny dying towns all up and down the eastern seaboard.
You can find these places less than a hundred miles from NYC. Just drive to Scranton, go south on I-81, and get off at any exit.
Don’t worry. This isn’t the only Trump plan that will tank the economy. I just wish the rest of us didn’t have to suffer because of all those idiots not paying attention.
It’s kind of wild to me how many really small towns there are in the US. About 32% of towns in the U.S. have less than 500 residents.
For comparison, here in Brazil I lived most of my life in a town with ~35K residents and it was already considered a small rural town. Some of my family lives in a neighboring town with ~11K residents, and even in my hometown people joke about how small it is, and that there’s basically nothing going on there. 1288 of towns in Brazil have less than 5K residents, or about 23.1%, and there are no towns with less than 500 residents. Meanwhile in the US 76% of towns have less than 5K residents.
Again, it’s just kind of wild to me. I remember playing (reading?) the Echo VN and thinking “Man, a dying town with only 50 people? That doesn’t sound realistic,” but apparently that’s way more common than I thought.
My slightly educated guess would be that’s a consequence of America’s race westward in the 1800’s, only stopping long enough to annihilate the indigenous population and set up a rest stop for the next batch.
Bingo, the town I went to school in had barely 500 people when the school which had taken over for two other closed schools kids. It’s even less now. My grade was the largest at 32 kids too. There were former “towns” dotted all over from the rush west where train tracks used to be. All gone now and just somewhere used for cow shelter in the winter. These towns were simply stops for railroad cars to result water on the route west. Once that wasn’t needed the slow march to 0 began. My nearest non family member was over 7 miles away. There is a lot of interior USA that is really sparsely populated and is really just returning to pre colonial eras of mainly giant farmland or grazing pastures.
Railroads played big role. Trains needed more water or coal to run the engine. So every 15 to 20 miles or so, depending on terrain, a water depot was erected, and there a new town popped up. Some survived. Some didnt. Few are thriving. Just pull up a map and follow a rail line in the great plains region of the usa. Then just measure it out. Its impossible to miss once you notice it.
The same thing happened again when they built the interstates. Pixar made a documentary about it with talking cars.
It’s more modern than that. I don’t have time to look for stats, but I believe there’s been general migration to cities for like half a century or more
Of course, but I’m talking about why all these little towns existed in the first place. It’s not like they were all bustling metropolises before everyone left. ;)
The stereotype is always a coal mining town. There used to be a mine employing many people, but now it’s automated or the mine played out
The town I grew up in was a bustling town with one dominant employer. When that employer moved out it left a big gap and an entire generation of younger people moved away
The town my father grew up in was never bustling. However it was a significant center of a rural area with many family farms. By the time I was growing up, those farms were no longer economical, so people moved away and there’s no need for a population center
A small town I used to visit all the time was once a bustling tourist town, but no one goes there anymore. It’s really just regional now, instead of the busy season drawing people from anywhere between Montreal and NYC. It’s probably cheap flying as much as anything else: who wants to vacation on a cold beach when you can hop a flight down south for the same cost
A lot were busy manufacturing, mining, or farming towns.
The mines run out or become unprofitable.
The manufacturing has largely moved to out of the states, or been automated.
And big farms and grocery stores have squeezed independent farmers out of everywhere but the farmers markets near rich cities.
We also have “towns” that are insufficient in size and unlisted or are under another towns “address”. A town near me has less than 1000 people and that includes the towns under it that are 3-5mi apart.
One of my friends lives in what used to be considered a town. Currently it has a population of like 10 people 4 of which are their family and another is one of their roommates. It is now part of the nearest town about 20 miles away and makes for some logistical novelties like mail delivery and school bus routes
Yeah but they don’t want those people. Now who are those people they don’t want? Brown people, black people, queer people, woke people, educated people, different people…
Trump thinks that the best way to avoid the last of the NY state trial is to create chaos and violence until we cry uncle.
Nah, that’s finished no matter what. No one needs to cry uncle, and this chaos was always the plan.
We tried this before and it sucked then, too.
For whom? The people being deported? Or for the overall effectiveness of the plan?
I’m pretty sure there was a damaging mass deportation during the Great Depression that deported mostly american citizens to Mexico.
Operation Wetback. Yes, that’s what they called it
The Dark Ages truly are still here
Operation Wetback?
Well see ya later, Melania
Maybe that’s his plan. He doesn’t like the prenup and wants to marry that ghoul Loomer so he’s doing this to get her deported and the marriage annulled. Then he’ll use government money to put on a huge wedding and try to have a baby immediately. Everyone knows if you’re president when you have a kid the government is on the hook for support. Unlimited money!!!
It’s 12-D chess!!!1!
I seriously doubt Diaper Don even knows the rules to regular chess.
Spoken like a person who doesn’t even know how to get their kid unlimited money. You’re just mad that you can’t marry that perfect ball of plastic surgery and hatred.
it also happened a lot before operation wetback.
Correct, in the 1930s, I saw someone post about it recently. I don’t know the motivation then, but the tactic will be used this time to target any group. Maybe even used for “other activities” when deportation becomes logistically difficult.
I feel like to the people doing the deporting this time, they wouldn’t care. The point is to be damaging.
Both.
The Wilson/Coolidge Era was nightmarish for immigrants, with a host of laws targeting East Asian migrants and displacing uncountable numbers of industrial workers particularly along the West Coast.
Eisenhower’s Operation Wetback set off a wave of police terror along the Gulf Coast, crippled the agricultural economy, and killed hundreds of migrants forced into transit.
The current border policy funnels hundreds of thousands of migrants through an inhospitality Texas/Arizona desert region that’s killed around 10k-50k people in the last decade.
None of it actually curbs immigration. It all just becomes a black market affair, affording employers a tool to depress wages and cartels an opportunity to press-gang border residents into cattle slavery.
Eisenhower’s Operation Wetback
Just in case you didn’t understand the motivation
chattel* slavery
Are they planning to finish that border wall? Looks like it’s about halfway complete.
Funneling migrants into the desert to die isn’t a bug, it’s a feature
The people being deported AND the people who weren’t.
