Until the rule is removed, any new posts about US politics will be removed.
How the fuck is Lemmy supposed to serve as an open alternative to corporate controlled social media when the mods ban discussing one of the most impactful events of the day? You should be begging people to talk about politics here. Unsubbed. EDIT: AND BLOCKED. If I wanted to hang out in a fascist community I’d join twitter.
By giving people the opportunity to host their own instances and create their own communities with rules they like. This however does not mean that everything should be allowed everywhere. Actually this means that everywhere you go people make their own rules and if you dont like them, go somewhere else or create your own community.
This however is the main problem of social media in general. It creates circles of like-minded people where it is really easy to reject “other” thoughts and accept “our” ideas without much questioning. This is less a problem for people who are trained in critical thinking, but might be dangerous for more unstable people.
I’m just saying that a mix of different views is always good to some degree. Whether/how this should be done on Lemmy is a different thing.
Absolutely. If this rule was a permanent rule I don’t think so many people would defend it. However from experience (reddit for example) I think many people know that US politics has the ability to claim and overrun just about every space on the “western” internet. This is not something that really creates value for many people especially those that don’t live in the US and I think this ruling is trying to prevent that.
It creates circles of like-minded people where it is really easy to reject “other” thoughts and accept “our” ideas without much questioning.
I know it sounds counter-intuitive, but there is an argument to be made that we should actually go back to smaller, more secluded forums on the internet that are less connected with outside views.
Very interesting, haven’t seen that Kurzgesagt yet, thanks for sharing 🤘🏻
Interesting, thanks
I generally agree with your points on not wanting to create echo chambers; however, another reason for temporarily banning the topic imo is not just to block people talking about it but also to protect people who are already hurting, grieving, and generally just trying to find some sort of escape at the moment. Creating a space that will guarantee a temporary escape is nice, I think.
Ridiculous copy/paste reply. You’re not making a good case for people leaving corporate media for Lemmy. You’re encouraging them to stay where they are.
What’s wrong about it though? The freedom lies in the ability to create your own community that is not regulated by one company/organisation owning the platform. You can go to the place where you agree with the rules and you don’t have to live under the rules of someone you don’t like.
They’re just butthurt that they’re not being allowed to spew their hot takes all over this community as a captive audience that isn’t interested.
Nobody was doing that here, though. Have you even seen this community? It’s super inactive to begin with.
What’s wrong is fracturing. Lemmy is not so massive that it can sustain niche communities for every little topic.
I wouldn’t consider US politics a small topic, especially on Lemmy
It’s not a small topic, it’s a small community to set up all these tiny communities.
Community is what we called subs on the other site.
How are political communities tiny when they are 2 of the 6 most active communities on Lemmy?
To be honest, the issue is mostly about !politics@lemmy.world banning self posts (and thus people having to find alternatives such as !politicaldiscussion@lemmy.world ) rather than the mods of !asklemmy@lemmy.world
Not every sub has to revolve around US elections all day/weeks/months long. That has nothing to do with corporate media.
If some other country had a historic election, I would HOPE to see open dialog spread in places like this for people to express themselves. Why ban an internationally relevant discussion when people have the choice to be members of the community. How about - if you don’t like it, you can leave.
But there are places for the discussion to be made. Lemmy as a whole did not ban the elections discussion, just this one specific sub. In fact, you’ll see basically every single sub of Lemmy discussing it.
This is a temporary rule for 1 single community.
Mods are people of the community too. If you don’t like them, you can make your own community.
That’s a bad take. The mods made the choice to moderate a general-purpose community in the first place. If they want a more narrowly-focused community, they should make one.
Because we’re glad it is finally over after having deal with your election bullshit for the last half year? We made contingency plans for a trump win, so we acknowledged his win this morning, hope the planning is sufficient, and finally move on to something else.
Because you can go to literally any instance and create a community just for political drivel or even just go to the hundreds of other communities already dedicated to exactly that.
No kidding.
You can literally go anywhere to see your dumbass yank circus. Leave me alone.
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Boohoo I’ll believe that when it happens. In the meanwhile there’s literally nothing I can do about it. Instead of cry and doompost on the internet I’d rather focus on things that matter and keep a positive outlook.
Go away.
Most impactful event of the decade. This reaches far beyond the US.
Feel free to discuss it on !politicaldiscussion@lemmy.world https://lemmy.world/c/politicaldiscussion
Too democratic party centered. There is even a sticky up on the dnc conference
Good riddance man, Sheesh. Why are you so upset?
… You know you can just create a community and post stuff there, right?
Bye, no one misses you. You won’t be much valuable for this community anyways so it’s better if you aren’t here
Byeeee!!! 👋👋
Instead of complaining can someone who dislikes this decision please just create a community like “AskLemmyUS”, post a link here so people can find it and get on with it?
That’s what I’ve told so many complaining people. If anyone wanted to they could make one and it would be filled with users in hours, just click create community. Hell tell the mods here to suggest people go there for those discussions, they’d probably link it in the sidebar. But someone has to do it. (And as a mod of a few other communities, someone else can take that one)
But that would be US ExCePtIoNaLiSm!
After today’s defederation of discuss.online with hexbear.net, and the post Could Discuss.online become the go-to USA instance?, I created the !askusa@discuss.online community (anyone with an established Discuss.Online account and reputation want to help mod it?). The instance admins don’t want such controversial material like USApolitics, but AskUSA as a nice, friendly community to have neat discussions in is perfectly compatible with the mission statement of my home instance!:-)
I modeled the community name after !AskUK@feddit.uk and made it a sister community, along with this one (any others that should be added?).
Thanks, other communities like !nostupidquestions@lemmy.world don’t have such rules, the community is overriden with questions about US politics
I get that it’s annoying, but we’re sad, and angry, and scared, and we don’t know where to go. Maybe someone will make us a community called “Now what?” where we can cry, shout, wallow a bit, and then make a plan for survival.
Yeah I think both are valid tbh. I get that a lot of people don’t want to hear and and I get that a lot of people are upset. How do you compromise and help with both?
Easy, don’t make rules banning the subjects people want to talk about. Are we so concerned about people’s thumbs we can ask them to just scroll past content that doesn’t interest them but suits the theme of the community?
Be the change you want to see then. You can make that community. I mean this in a supportive way. Go for it!
!politicaldiscussion@lemmy.world seems good as it allows self-posts
!politics@lemmy.world for news
I appreciate the confidence and encouragement, but I’m completely unqualified. I’m likely the least techie lemmy user. If there were tech levels, I would in the ‘I can set up a printer about 60% of the time’ category.
If you remind me later - I have to get ready for work soon - I’ll help you if you want. Its fairly easy. Easier than a printer, so you’re already qualified lol
!politicaldiscussion@lemmy.world seems good as it allows self-posts
!politics@lemmy.world for news
Two posts for you
Sure, but… is “too much discussion” really a problem that Lemmy has? This is kind of a threatening time for some of us, especially if we don’t have a lot of friends irl.
“Too much off topic discussion or discussion in one topic that stifles other conversations”
Better?
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Any meme community. Easy example. Are you even trying?
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Name a single election topic you know about that’s not US. I’ll wait.
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I came here since I was fed up with the politics on Reddit.
I was pretty disappointed when I saw the same thing happening here. So thanks!
We just had probably the most consequential election of our life and you want to ban discussion? Jeezus.
This is an ask community, not a politics community. Not everything revolves around America
… And now you can’t ask anything about politics. There’s was doubtless going to be political questions to ask, and politic adjacent (where do I move) that will all be removed.
And you can’t even ask about effects on the world either! Gaza, Ukraine, NATO, trade, tariffs, etc. Are those going to be removed? All valid questions, but sounds political to me.
Like way to shut down shit tons of conversation.
THIS ISN’T A DISCUSSION COMMUNITY! IT’S SUPPOSED TO BE OPEN ENDED QUESTIONS. MOST POLITICAL DISCUSSIONS AREN’T OPEN ENDED.
Seriously? You’re this pedantic on the word discussion? Ok I will amend my first comment to:
We just had probably the most consequential election of our life and you want to ban
discussionquestions and the resulting discussion in the comments?Jeez all over again.
Most questions are “How screwed are we?, How did we fuck up this bad? Why are the Republicans so dumb?”. Like, these aren’t the types of questions this community was meant for bruv. And don’t act like you don’t know that.
Then you make a rule “no low effort political questions”.
How about none at all. Go to !politicaldiscussion@lemmy.world if you can’t help yourself.
It isn’t called ‘ask lemmy about anything other than politics’.
How does that disqualify US political questions from being posted here, then?
POST IT IN ANOTHER FUCKING COMMUNITY! IF THERE ISN’T ONE, THEN BE PROACTIVE AND CREATE ONE.
They don’t even have to create one, it’s there !politicaldiscussion@lemmy.world
That’s not what I asked.
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Feel free to ask on !politicaldiscussion@lemmy.world
Not ban, move
It’s not a book ban, the books just have to be approved before they can be brought in, and they haven’t been approved, nor will they be.
It’s not a book ban, it’s one particular bookstore stopped distribution of that book. The bookstore next to it prominently advertises that it sells that book.
Lol, I get it, I just find it fun to see all the traffic going to the comments of the banned post
Thank you! Could this be permanent? People can use an AskLemmyPolitics community if they really need to.
!politicaldiscussion@lemmy.world seems good as it allows self-posts
!politics@lemmy.world for news
That or maybe politics Friday when those posts are allowed?
We get 10ish posts here a day… I guess if you want less activity here good job you win. I hate these temp rules in communities.
I only see one thread in the modlog too. Seems kinda weird.
It’s honestly tiring to see the 20th post on the same topic from a country you don’t live in
at this point i’m starting to believe that the reddit format just rots people’s brains.
i don’t know the reason behind this decision, maybe it was taken in bad faith or something, but the amount of people shitting and pissing themselves over this when there are already other communities better specialized for it is mind numbing.Indeed
I disagree with this decision because people need to ask questions to prepare for their safety.
Please reconsider this rule.
!politicaldiscussion@lemmy.world has 5 few active threads since yesterday, such as
Feel free to open others if needed
ABOUT FUCKING TIME!
Doubling down on the censorship of inconvenient truths will surely help after your whole instance demonstrated the folly in censoring inconvenient truths. /s
Remember: if you think you have to censor the truth about your supposed left wing candidate of choice, they’re probably NOT actually very leftist at all and you’re doing fascist shit directly for a fascist.
If you refuse to allow people to speak the truth, you’re not even doing a decent job, pretending to be one of the “ good guys”.
You have assumed the reason for the rule is censorship. I think incorrectly.
It would add some clarity if the post included a justification for censorship to avoid speculation
It’s not inconvenient truth, it’s white noise for the rest of the world
White noise that sends missiles and bombs to kill millions around the world. It’s very dangerous white noise is it not?
If the rest of the world is educated on our sham political system then maybe people like you can educate the identity politics dupes that I have to be censored by when I point to rampant corporatism in an impotent attempt to wriggle my way out of this wage slave trap.
For example, here’s an image I love to point to that shows why the US is so stupidly tribalist:
It shows what needs to be done to try and fix this shithole country.
The rest of the world is already overeducated on US politics. I don’t know the electoral system of my neighboring countries even though that’s just as important, if not more. But US politics is shoved down everyone’s throats. Too much! Handle your internal shit internally and don’t spill the sewage all over the internet.
But US politics is shoved down everyone’s throats.
fuck yeah i agree!!
This makes me more likely to actually visit here. I’m sick of reading propaganda and people spouting propaganda from all sides, and I come to spaces like this for funnies, interesting topics, and so on. My political interests go elsewhere. I appreciate not having to wade through them here.
Please permanentize this!
It could be useful to link to some relevant communities in this posts description if people do want to ask questions.
Indeed, having !politicaldiscussion@lemmy.world in the sidebar might help
