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Engineers said to be supporting missile launches and reports of North Koreans killed near Donetsk
North Korean military engineers have been deployed to help Russia target Ukraine with ballistic missiles, and North Koreans operating in occupied areas of Ukraine have already been killed, senior officials in Kyiv and Seoul said.
There are dozens of North Koreans behind Russian lines, in teams that “support launcher systems for KN-23 missiles”, a source in Ukraine told the Guardian.
Kim Jong-un, the North Korean leader, last year travelled to Russia for a summit with Vladimir Putin where the two men bolstered their deepening ties with a secret arms deal.
Pyongyang’s ammunition shipments were vital in allowing Russian forces to advance in a grinding war of attrition in eastern Ukraine this summer. But it appears increasingly clear that the agreement went beyond supplying materiel.
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Yet it is absolutely imperative french troops stray far away 🤡
We’ve had Russians, North Koreans, and Indians fighting in Ukraine with Chinese supplied weapons against Ukrainians armed with American, Polish, German, British, and other European weapons in a war that’s been going on for nearly two years.
Can we call it a World War yet?
Or are we just going to refuse to use the word until nukes are dropped?
We can also throw in the Middle Eastern theater for good measure too if that’s not enough.
I’d say the situation is a lot closer to the Spanish Civil War, tbh. A lot of countries sent expeditionary forces and volunteers to assist one side or the other, including Russia and Nazi Germany (who kinda used the conflict as a proving ground for the concept of combined arms doctrine we know as “blitzkrieg”).
Syria was WW3’s Spanish civil war.
The comparison certainly makes sense. Awesome, that means we’re just a few years shy of a world war.
Yeah but just think 40 years later we’re gonna get some sick movies and video games
If you make it through the likely multiple genocides and conscriptions.
We didn’t call the cold war a world war and that wasn’t in a single country
Best comparison.
But it isn’t a world war. The only ones in conflict are Russia and Ukraine. You wouldn’t say that the US was fighting Nazi Germany when they booted up the lend-lease. The rest of the countries supplying Ukraine with arms are just doing so under international law, not as participants in the war.
Multiple boots on the ground on the Russia side, only takes boots on the ground from any nato country to qualify now. It’s very close.
World war isn’t about how many countries are involved, but the scale of the conflict.
Seems to me that it’s just part of the proxy war that the world powers have been fighting pretty much constantly in an Oceania/Eurasia/Eastasia kind of way since 1945.
Not until there are NATO boots on the ground, or NATO recognizes it is at war. Russia is already saying it is, NATO just didn’t get the memo yet I guess.
You are right in saying Russia kinda made it a world war. I guess with just the one front it just doesn’t feel like it.
It could be pretty easily argued that Gaza/Lebanon is another front. Iran/Russia/China axis seems to be solidifying to an extent, imo.
Israel did just bomb a Russian airbase in Syria, after all.
Edit: guess I didn’t say “Israel is bad” enough in my comment? Seriously, I didn’t even make any value judgments in this comment, y’all are too touchy.
Not enough of the right color people have died yet.
Ukraine gets help from its allies: I sleep
Russia gets help from its allies: 😡😡
The cognitive dissonance of Lemmy users.
This you? Immediate block. Shame on you for supporting a mass murdering, civilian butchering, raping, children bombing, war regime.
It’s okay to be proud of Russian culture and celebrate heritage. It’s not okay to support a war of conquests where children are stolen and civilians are slaughtered.
Someone who has a different opinion that mine! Immediately blocked!
My echo chamber is almost… ready!! 🤗
Calling it a “different opinion” is an attempt to shut down any criticism of your disgusting lack of humanity. It’s like when Republicans call being a racist, xenophobic piece of shit a “different opinion”.
Don’t bother replying, I’m not making this comment to try to convince you. I’m saying this to point out the tactic to anyone else who may be reading this.
You can see me criticizing Russia in the same comment thread; I believe that Russia is committing war crimes that I do not support but Ukraine is siding with states which are committing whatever Russia is committing with impunity
there goes my support for Ukraine
The commenter I replied to didn‘t even have a conversation with me.
Also both republicans and democrats are racist, xenophobic, sexist, genocidal maniacs. Don‘t compare me to North Americans.
I don’t think that’s happening anywhere. People are laughing at the desperation of Russia they’re getting help from basically a pariah state
People are laughing at the desperation of Russia they’re getting help from basically a pariah state
Putin was seriously looking at the state of North Korea and thought “yeah, I can do that, I want that”.
Russia is still going strong 2 years into the war… after all these western interventions that couldn’t prevent a war.
Sanctions mean nothing. Weapons mean nothing.
Victory to Russia 🇷🇺
Russia doesnt exist anymore. Its East Ukraine.
Username checks out
fuck off you imperialist dipshit
You’re… Aware that Russia invaded Ukraine, right? And all of this bloodshed, all of these senselessly sacrificed lives, could’ve been avoided if Russia just DIDN’T invade Ukraine?
I don’t see that happening, but people aren’t going to be supporting Russia (or shouldn’t) since they’re the enemy in all this
The enemy according to who?
The western allies, western international law, UN, etc has showed us all last year that words like enemy, terrorist, ally is all relative.
Israel occupies Palestine since 1948, and the western allies support it ever since, till this very day. And they also support a genocide in Gaza, Gaza being under siege, collective punishment, arming genocidal terrorists (IDF), arming illegal settlers in the West Bank.
These same allies are supporting Ukraine. Now let‘s deduct who‘s the enemy in this formula.
The enemy according to who?
The western allies, western international law, UN, etc has showed us all last year that words like enemy, terrorist, ally is all relative.
Israel occupies Palestine since 1948, and the western allies support it ever since, till this very day. And they also support a genocide in Gaza, Gaza being under siege, collective punishment, arming genocidal terrorists (IDF), arming illegal settlers in the West Bank.
These same allies are supporting Ukraine. Now let‘s deduct who‘s the enemy in this formula.
Oh, I got this. The “enemy” is the one who invaded the sovereign nation of Ukraine without provocation. Good job finding an entirely new topic to talk about. Distract. Good tactic.
Also. I want to inform you of an analogy. But if my friend is funding killing of other people but is actively supporting me then I‘ll question the friendship.
But people like you would say that killing other people is a distraction as long as I have a good supportive friend!
But hey, that‘s me! xD
It‘s connected. Unless you see the suffering of white people the only important thing and everything is a distraction.
We can talk about how Russia is actively killing Syrians in Syria and aiding the Assad regime. But Russia isn‘t a country to claim its position of „human rights but only for white people“ like Germany, France, USA, etc.
Ukraine doesn’t belong to the EU, is not a member of NATO. Why all this aid? The EU is sunk into one of highest inflation in its history to support a foreign nation. Ukrainian refugees are treated way better than non-white refugees in central and western Europe.
The US and EU not supporting human rights across the board does not make supporting Ukraine the wrong decision
That’s an interesting point, and human rights are certainly into question, but I’d ask when the last time Germany, France, USA, etc, declared war and invaded a sovereign nation.
you including the USA is funny like USA invaded multiple sovereign countries on baseless reasons… with impunity (because of their immunity to international law).
They invaded Afghanistan to replace the Taliban… with the Taliban. They killed 1.5+ million Iraqis when they accused Iraq to have weapons of mass destruction that didn‘t exist. The american army tortured Iraqi citizens in Abu Ghraib prisons in documented ways against international law… with impunity. This is in 2000-2004. Only 2 decades ago.
And let‘s not get started with how proxies are now doing their dirty work for them. The american proxy Israel invaded sovereign nation Lebanon a couple of days ago. How much money did the USA send Israel in weapons last year alone?
Does Russia fund proxies? Sure. Does Russia claim to be the beacon of human rights? Not that I know of.
But it‘s Russia that needs to be sanctioned, banned from sporting events, be called my enemy etc and the USA runs free from bombing Libya a couple of years ago.
But Libyans, Iraqis, Afghanis and Lebanese are unfortunately not… human. They‘re muslims! Terrorists! Kill them all!
And Ukrainians are white! Sklava Ukraini!! 🇺🇦
Oh, absolutely. The USA’s war(s) in Afghanistan and their role in the middle east are abhorant and unforgivable. Just like their roles in destabilizing South America, etc.
And Russia should also be sanctioned, banned, etc. for attacking Ukraine. Just like they should’ve for Crimea.
I find it interesting that the loaned DPRK are operating ballistic missile platforms. Makes me wonder if part of the intention is to skill up some of the army units with combat launching exp, which is not the happiest thought, since NK has a continental US capable truck-launched ICBM since 2017.
Of course the plan doesn’t work if they all get killed by Ukrainian drone attacks, but NK has never been too precious about their rank and file anyway.
These are comparatively safer positions.
Yeah sounds like logistics support?
Maybe that, maybe with more direct involvement in the warfare. I just see it’s unlikely they’d use people of NK in the deathliest skirmishes while depending on their supplies. Not to say that there is a huge language barrier and a racism problem them making me believe there are probably whole north korean units in some places rather than them being evenly spread across different divisions.
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