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    Not sure why you’ve got downvoted, but that’s the reason why all Baltic states had such a reaction when the invasion started.

    That said, I would say that most of those states are highly socialistic despite having pretty much allergy to anything red and while preferring a capitalist system that doesn’t mean they want or support billionaires.

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      It could be because they arent even describing communism. These problems are easily found right now.

      The problem here is that people dont even know what communism is and they end up giving these kinds of answers. Makes you think thats probably why they made a new account

      Theres no genuine convo of why communism is bad.

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        It’s more because it’s a bunch of random assertions, falsehoods, misunderstandings, half-truths, and more with no substance to tackle and respond to without starting a lengthy struggle session.

        The USSR absolutely was guided by Communist ideology, and was Socialist, that’s true. It’s also true that it wasn’t perfect. A good article to read is Why do Marxists Fail to Bring the “Worker’s Paradise?” because many people don’t understand Marxism and interpret it through an idealist, anti-Marxist lens. The article is pro-Marxist-Leninist, and anti-ultraleftist, and attempts to highlight the impossibilities of establishing an idealized form of Socialism through fiat, without strong development of the productive forces and centralization.

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            Explain. You cannot achieve democratic control without centralization, because you can’t have inputs with no output.

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              Issue of centralization is regime and politics agnostic. More centralization just results in more corruption.

              I am not sure how to run the society any other way but we know that current systems are corrupted by the ruling elites at our expense.

              Legal system is unwilling to deal with it because the judiciary are just regime lapdogs used against working people when they get out of line.

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                Issue of centralization is regime and politics agnostic. More centralization just results in more corruption.

                Again, please explain. This doesn’t logically follow.

                I am not sure how to run the society any other way but we know that current systems are corrupted by the ruling elites at our expense.

                Capitalism is, Socialism isn’t.

                Legal system is unwilling to deal with it because the judiciary are just regime lapdogs used against working people when they get out of line.

                In Capitalism, yes.

                Have you read Marx?

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                  If you are big daddy owner, centralized state permits you to have access to the top guy who can do anything.

                  It is a lot easier to corrupt one guy, then it is to do one guy in every state for example is the logic here.

                  This is inherent defect of centralization. Sure we can get a lot of shit done effectively if everybody is good faith actor. And progress has been made but it was done with a ton of grift that we just accept

                  Capitalism and socialism are economic system for property. We are talking about the state in of itself here.

                  I would posit the issue not economic system choice but rather corruptions of the ruling class.

                  I bet any properly set up system would work as long as it was designed to work properly.

                  If you notice the best systems we currently have are actually a mix of both.

                  There is a strong correlation between quality of life of the working class and corruption.

                  Countries with low corruption are able to deliver high quality of life because they don’t a lot of blatant looting.

                  I bet this will be the down fall of the US empire, the parasite class taking too much and it is causing serious social issues for Americans. They know something is wrong bit they jerk politics without realizing it is a futile exercise.

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                    If you are big daddy owner, centralized state permits you to have access to the top guy who can do anything.

                    It is a lot easier to corrupt one guy, then it is to do one guy in every state for example is the logic here.

                    This is inherent defect of centralization. Sure we can get a lot of shit done effectively if everybody is good faith actor. And progress has been made but it was done with a ton of grift that we just accept

                    This isn’t really accurate, though, this is just an argument against democracy. Recall elections are standard Marxist practice, which pretty much eliminates this problem outright. It seems like you haven’t engaged with Marxist organizational theory.

                    Capitalism and socialism are economic system for property. We are talking about the state in of itself here.

                    They are always present linked. You can’t divorce them, the Base creates and supports the Superstructure.

                    I would posit the issue not economic system choice but rather corruptions of the ruling class.

                    This is generally unfounded.

                    I bet any properly set up system would work as long as it was designed to work properly.

                    You can’t “design” a system, that’s utopianism.

                    If you notice the best systems we currently have are actually a mix of both.

                    No, the best systems currently are Socialist. There are no “mixes.” Or, at least, everything is a mix, no system has made it to Communism yet, but the best systems are run along Marxist lines.

                    There is a strong correlation between quality of life of the working class and corruption.

                    Countries with low corruption are able to deliver high quality of life because they don’t a lot of blatant looting.

                    I bet this will be the down fall of the US empire, the parasite class taking too much and it is causing serious social issues for Americans. They know something is wrong bit they jerk politics without realizing it is a futile exercise.

                    This is more correlation and not causation.