And the fact that Lügenpresse has even come up at all is freaking wild. That’s something which should send a chill down the spine of anyone with even a whiff of understanding of modern history.

That they’re down the rabbit hole about it should be impossible. The whole idea should have been political suicide. I take it as evidence of the extreme control years and years of Republican propaganda has on its constituents. They not only vote against their own interests, but they now actively stand against democracy. Absolutely insane.

This is exactly what they are saying on a few conservative subreddits I saw today. That the moderators fact checked him about migrants, then when he tried to explain some detail that explained everything they cut his mic.

As if Vance hasn’t famously been lying about the topic for weeks and endangering a whole community.

I’d say it’s even worse than that. Part of the culture on the right is that “yeah, it’s a lie but that’s fine”. Even proving they lie beyond a shadow of a doubt doesn’t dissuade the core, because they have been conditioned to take lies in stride, so long as it agrees with them.

You have Vance going on and saying the lies are necessary because unless they lie about Haitians and paint them as barbaric savages then people will fail to recognize them as the barbaric savages that everyone knows “those people” really are, even if the facts don’t support that. That maybe they can’t accurately state how they are savages or they can’t support it, it “sounds right” and that’s good enough because surely they are up to something like that, because they are “those people”.

You have people in their camp like Scott Adams spinning things as “directionally true”, again, they may not be actually true, but common sense tells everyone Haitians are bad people, so it’s good enough.

Speaking of common sense, Vance said during the debate that experts are explicitly people to disregard and to follow that “common sense”. Expertise, research, honoring the facts, all these are bad things because “common sense” knows better (so long as “common sense” agrees with whatever Trump camp feels, if your “common sense” disagrees, well then you don’t have common sense or you are somehow evil).

Like the one “outright lie” they caught Walz in, that 35 years ago he was in Hong Kong in August instead of June, Walz seemed genuinely ashamed about that pretty mild scenario. Meanwhile Vance just effortlessly carries on without a hint of caring about being called out on anything.

I think Lindsey Graham said the same thing after the RNC back in 2016. It’s been going on forever, but that’s the first time I remember one of them saying it out loud. Paraphrasing, “I’m a politician. You can have your facts, I’ll take people’s feelings every time.”

Kellyanne Conway, senior member of the 2016 Trump admin, wanted people to look into Trump’s heart for the truth:

You can’t give him the benefit of the doubt on this and he’s telling you what was in his heart, you always want to go with what’s come out of his mouth rather than look at what’s in his heart

I got that feeling too. He was in shock a few times.

as an anarchist I can say one thing: they don’t like anarchists

also they’re stateist and all stateists are authoritarian, why do you think they defend russia and china in online arguments?

we don’t know for a fact, but I’ve spent some time on a lot of instances and they were the only ones telling me to not vote harris and instead vote trump

Well, when your entire political view is based on unsubstantiated rhetoric, I’d imagine it’s probably pretty easy to arrive at such a conclusion.

No vote is owed, my friend. That’s just something you all seem to like to tell yourself so that your smug arrogance has a semblance of purpose.

And trust me when I say this:

No one is wondering why you’re disillusioned with politics… disillusion- of course, being the keyword here.

Enjoy watching from the docks while rest of us pull this ship into port without your help.

Who’s drag?

That’s because she was genuinely baffled. Vance was just faking.

They didn’t though…

Because they didn’t just let him lie without challenge?

and doing nothing about anything ever.

THAT is a VILE defamation! They are putting so much effort into siphoning all the wealth they can carry into the pockets of themselves and their cronies and here you are claiming they are doing nothing! Do you think those super-rich-tax cuts propose themselves? The permissions to legally destroy the planet for money are granting themselves on their own? NO! There is a lot of work going into robbing entire generations of their future for maximum profit while at the same time distracting the general public and indoctrinating them into believing that it’s all being done for their benefit. And I will not stand for anyone claiming that the trumpian kleptocrats are lazy and “doing nothing”.

That’s a minimum though, some States will offer just the minimum, others will offer much more

Look at Canada, provinces don’t solve that issue either

So long as States are allowed to provide more than the Federal minimum you’re still opening the door to having people with different rights based on their geographical location though…

Let’s say healthcare is now 100% public and managed or forced on States by the federal government but medication isn’t covered, you could have one State saying “alright, that’s dumb, we will handle medication coverage then” and now living right across the State border means that you’re paying for insulin or private coverage while your friend in the next town over doesn’t know how much either of those things cost because it’s all paid by taxes…

I’m using that example because something similar happened in Canada (one province decided to create its own medication insurance policy while it was an handled by the private sector in the other provinces).u

I would suggest that abolishing it is impractical, however it needs to be reigned in a lot. There are a few circumstances that call for the decisiveness of a strong singular authority, but not many. These “executive orders” have been nuts and shouldn’t be such a routine thing.

There would be no independent executive branch, the very concept inevitably endangers democratic systems by creating a person with a lot of power who inherently is going to view any disagreement of course of action from the people’s representatives as an obstacle to be gotten around.

Or have you missed all the headlines about the over reliance reliance on executive orders over the past decade and change? Not to mention how the fiat veto was never intended but instead the result of Andrew Jackson just deciding he didn’t have to give congress a reason why their laws were being treated with the same energy as shit that was at a minimum arguably unconstitutional up to that point.

The independent executive is a leach that parasitically sucks power away from the elected representatives of the people, and imposes “checks” on their powers that not only are entirely unneeded, but actively endanger the health of the republic.

Everywhere that’s tried american style democracy since the US formed has collapsed in dramatic fashion, everywhere else that’s gone with a parliamentary system has at worst had periods of endangerment, mostly caused by a parliamentary leader trying to get the powers of an american style president, gestures wildly at Orban and Erdogan