I think a little clarification is needed. No. I don’t actually think everyone there is insane. I don’t care about the bans so stop trying to use that. HB enthusiasts coming here and trying to call me out achieves nothing besides proving my point

Edit: Feel free to keep trying to brigade me. It’s not going to scare me to take this down

      • Miles O'Brien@startrek.websiteEnglish
        17·
        10 days ago

        They’re getting there, but so far it’s only a few users that I’ve noticed.

        One guy seems to be following me around to attempt mockery.

        They’re very much getting to “everyone who isn’t farther left than me is a right-wing nazi” mentality.

        • FundMECFSResearch
          31·
          10 days ago

          They aren’t even really left. They are super authoritarian.

          I blocked them since they spew Russian and Chinese propaganda points and take revisionist stances on Tianman square and deny the Uyghur Genocide.

          • Dasus@lemmy.world
            3·
            1 day ago

            One of the mods is an actual Russian troll. Davel@lemmy.ml

            Pro-Russian mod who keeps pretending they’re not.

            “If those kids could read…” meme would be fitting lol

          • TheOubliette@lemmy.ml
            19·
            9 days ago

            The term “authoritarian” is so fraught that under these circumstances it might as well just mean “opponent of the United States” or “organized at all”.

            The examples you have provided are quite absurd.

            Tiananmen Square (which you misspelled) is indeed poorly understood in The West, including the historical conensus that there was no massacre in the square itself. It is, in fact, historical revisionism to suggest otherwise. In addition, Tiananmen Square is just a place, a very popular one to visit that has been the location for all kinda of events. In China, the events are called the June 4 Incident / events. Calling it “Tiananmen Square” is sometimes a sign that a person is not familiar with the history as they are using the common but misleading term that is virtually only used to forward the previously-mentioned historical revisionism to a Western audience that is in no way interested in understanding.

            Re: Uyghurs, I would suggest that you read into this much more, as the topic is full of misinformation, think tanks with shady ties, fake universities, charlatans pretending to be experts, literal teenagers treated as satellite photography analysis experts, and really weird NGOs, including pro-Trump ones. One good topic to focus on is calling it a genocide at all and how that came to be the discourse. In particular, what The Newlines Institute is, why they were amplified by the US State Departmwnt, their rationale, and, of course, why none of that is taken seriously outside of a very specific political block. Following their members, funding, etc is actually a pretty interesting rabbit trail to follow. Bird’s eye view, the rhetorical treatment of Uyghurs as the subject of genocide was more or less invented, and this is is why you naturally don’t see math death, destruction, refugees, or forced migrations of the Uyghur population. This does not mean bad things haven’t happened there nor that policies were not hamfisted, but just compare how China treated a series of sectarian knife attacks (education, jobs, vocational training, investment, banning extremist Salafist practices) to how the West treated and treats Muslims (invading and killing millions).

            So, anyways, I hope that you can continue your education and engage with these realities in gold faith.

            • wick@lemm.ee
              22·
              9 days ago

              Thanks for posting your thoughts, I don’t get many opportunities to hear tankie brainrot as it’s often purged from my feed before I even open the comments.

              #1 whatever did or did not happen at the specific location of Tiananmen Square doesn’t address that the Chinese government murdered student protestors. Doesn’t matter if it was two blocks over or on the other side of the country. The CCP will use lethal force against protestors.

              #2 a think tank has nothing to do with all the Uyghurs whose family members have disappeared without a trace. The CCP makes people disappear and they offer zero transparency into their judicial process.

              You’re quibbling over minor specifics and ignoring the undisputed parts that are most damning. Stop being a propagandist for a government that doesn’t even align with your proported beliefs just because ”america bad".

              • TheOubliette@lemmy.ml
                14·
                9 days ago

                Thanks for posting your thoughts, I don’t get many opportunities to hear tankie brainrot as it’s often purged from my feed before I even open the comments.

                I can see already how much of a good faith engagement this will be. Would you be surprised if people reacted negatively to your introduction?

                #1 whatever did or did not happen at the specific location of Tiananmen Square doesn’t address that the Chinese government murdered student protestors.

                What I was doing was pointing out that the most common understanding is an absurdity and historically revisionist. There is plenty more that could be discussed if one wanted to, but the common understanding is a cartoonish falsehood based on memes and not any actual attempt to read and understand. The way that parent made their reference indicated that they shared this false understanding.

                Doesn’t matter if it was two blocks over or on the other side of the country. The CCP will use lethal force against protestors.

                What matters re: the point I made is that there is a conflict with the common mental image and suggests that perhaps a person should recognize when they do not really know something. It might even jostle a person to not reach for the next-worst type of sourcing and instead do a deep-dive that challenges themselves. Wouldn’t want to get caught out like that again, right?

                #2 a think tank has nothing to do with all the Uyghurs whose family members have disappeared without a trace.

                This is the same illogical structue of the previous response. It sounds like what you would really like to say is that there is something related that you think is important so you would like to skip over what I said. Feel free to make another thread with these other points and I can respond to them there.

                You’re quibbling over minor specifics and ignoring the undisputed parts that are most damning.

                Ad I said, the entire narrative shift is based on an absurd propaganda apparatus and not any evidence on the ground. The use of the big G word.

                The fact that OP is repeating this again suggests a lack of investigation. And yet they are so dismissive! I would hope that they might become interested in doing some media criticism. Maybe ask a question. Sometimes people do this and only tell you until much later.

                Stop being a propagandist for a government that doesn’t even align with your proported beliefs just because ”america bad".

                Now you are just making things up.

                • wick@lemm.ee
                  10·
                  9 days ago

                  All I want to hear from you is an admission that the CCP murdered protestors, and that they jail people without giving families or the international press any contact.

                  • TheOubliette@lemmy.ml
                    8·
                    9 days ago

                    I.e. you want to shift the conversion to simplistic claims you feel more comfortable with rather than discuss what I have actually said.

                    Please engage in good faith.

            • j_overgrens@feddit.nl
              15·
              9 days ago

              On behalf of my Uyghur friends who haven’t spoken to their parents in years, because they were imprisoned for their children emigrating: fuck you. A really deep, heartfelt fuck you.

            • Valmond@lemmy.world
              10·
              9 days ago

              Found one guys!

              Tianmen square test: Failed

              Uyghur test: Failed

              I love this litmus test so much lol.

                • Valmond@lemmy.world
                  8·
                  9 days ago

                  Lol your copy pasted “answer” sounded like Donald Trump tried to wriggle out of a tough question.

                  You showed that you don’t accept the Tianmen square massacre, nor the Uyghur massacre. What’s next, denying the holocaust?

                  • TheOubliette@lemmy.ml
                    7·
                    9 days ago

                    Lol your copy pasted “answer”

                    Copy pasted? From where?

                    sounded like Donald Trump tried to wriggle out of a tough question.

                    How so? I’m starting to think you’ve never heard Trump speak.

                    You showed that you don’t accept the Tianmen square massacre

                    It is historical consensus that there was no massacre at Tiananmen Square and it is revisionist to suggest otherwise, so yes. I stated this very directly.

                    nor the Uyghur massacr

                    “the Uyghur massacre”, as a term, isn’t a thing. Nobody claims there is something called “The Uyghur Massacre” except you, just now. I don’t want to guess what you’re trying to communicate.

                    What’s next, denying the holocaust?

                    Exactly the opposite. The absurdities behind labeling China’s treatment of Uyghurs a genocide, which is the thing I’m actually talking about, is so careless that it has the effect of undermining the gravity and crime of actual genocides, including the Holocaust. Have you looked into the topics and groups I mentioned?

              • TheOubliette@lemmy.ml
                5·
                9 days ago

                They didn’t mention it so why would I address it? You don’t seem particularly ready to have a good faith discussion, either.

                • pewgar_seemsimandroid
                  2·
                  8 days ago

                  oh noes the tankie is scwared thwat his narwatiwe of genocide deniwal is being exposed as stupid. now get blocked as i have to gamble gold in roblox flying skibidi toilet tycoon

          • OpenStars@discuss.onlineEnglish
            9·
            10 days ago

            Many people playing “leftist” are this way, sadly. And <insert religion here>, and <insert country name here> as well, but my favorite example is “conservatives”… who despite both the name itself and the claim to want to return to “traditional” values, instead want to radically overthrow everything that has arisen for the past several hundreds of years.

            It turns out that it is really, really, really hard to be truly honest with oneself, about whatever it is that we choose to believe.

          • muzzle@lemm.ee
            2·
            8 days ago

            I mostly agree with you, but that’s the reason why I picked an instance that does not block them: sometimes it is good to see the world from a different point of view. And it’s not like the other Lemmy instances are completely free of propaganda either.

        • 5ibelius9insterberg@feddit.org
          1·
          9 days ago

          everyone who isn’t farther left than me is a right-wing nazi

          If one’s a strict authoritarian, thats a pretty sensible thing to say 🤷‍♂️

        • mke@lemmy.world
          1·
          8 days ago

          There’s at least one interesting fellow in this very thread sharing extremely predictable opinions.

          I thought I was annoying when arguing. Still do, but I found someone worse. Doesn’t make me feel better, because it seems I’m sharing a table with them.

    • skooma_king@lemm.ee
      4·
      10 days ago

      How are you blocking full instances? I’ve been playing wack-a-mole blocking communities. I’m using Voyager on iOS, if that matters.