Mainly referring to the growing disconnect between men becoming more socially conservative while women are becoming more socially liberal. There’s a growing demographic of men, at least in the USA, that are being welcomed into movements like MGTOW and Passport Bros, while women on the left are going on TV and social media talking about how they would rather run into a bear than a man, men are useless and have no place in society. Meanwhile what’s in it for men? Get married, get divorced, wife takes everything, takes the kids, takes the house, even if they are the ones initiating divorce most often.
Men are being raised to not be desirable? Which men? The upper 10% of men that 90% of women think they have a shot at marrying because they sleep with that 10% that has a rolladex of girls. Meanwhile those women often have 10 guys in the friend zone ready to go when they hit the wall at 30-40 and finally want to settle down with all their relationship trauma.
Like, you’re over here complaining about hypergamy at the same time that you’re whining about this very pedophilic “hit the wall” business. What’s wrong with being 35, exactly? Won’t you be 35 one day?
Don’t misunderstand me, I’m not part of those groups. But I do see them growing and the issue is that those groups are the only ones courting those people.
Nothing wrong with 35. But people are most definitely influenced by relationships they’ve had. Running those numbers up doesn’t seem to be beneficial for anyone in terms of long term happiness.
And what do you mean projecting? I’ve seen clips of women on TV saying that. That’s not me saying it.
They might be growing. I feel like I haven’t heard about MGTOW in a while, but whatever. And, it is true the right wing apparatus is built to court men’s favor specifically, yeah. But that apparatus socializes them into pretty toxic people. When people complain about men, those conservative attitudes are what they’re talking about.
Unless you hang out in some strange circles. It’s obviously possible someone just really hates men, but letting that overshadow a real criticism is pretty god damn silly, in my opinion.
I’m just not sure what any of this has to do with women not being sterling marriage material.
This is what I mean about projection. You’ve got a chip on your shoulder about something, and so from a tweet with a fairly benign take on men as a culture, we get this insecure, jealous, whataboutism about careerless women being owed alimony, I guess.
I would agree that the left gives up too much social capital about men to the right.
I need to have a chip on my shoulder to think the original post could easily be written about both sexes? Does that mean you have a chip on your shoulder against men? I don’t follow your logic.
As opposed to modern women, who are sterling paragons that men would be crazy to not marry.
To be this spiteful about it? Kinda. You’re treating this like a tit-for-tat battle of the sexes for dominance in society, a contest to prove which one really is better, instead of, you know, a grievance somebody has with men as a culture.
Let’s imagine you’re right, that women aren’t great. Would this mean that the men who are socialized not to be desirable don’t have anything to do, then? Because both sexes are equally awful, neither one is obligated to improve?
I think you might be the one projecting. I meant no tone that you are inferring. I think both men and women collectively need to communicate more effectively, and everyone needs to stop speaking broadly about large demographics being represented by loud flashy minorities.
I don’t even grant the premise that either sex is as the other is claiming to be, only a small fraction are and that’s all that’s being interacted with.
No men or women in my entire life fits any of these narratives, but the narratives are all you hear about. They pervade social media just like bad news does in our 24/7 doom scroll world. The majority of people are just decent. But we pretend that every woman is a 304 and every guy is a rapist.
Woman are also not being properly socialized (although in my rant, I argue this is an intergenerational problem).
The problem is everyone is sexually frustrated and no one can find anyone they’re hot for who is available.
Previous generations handled this with singles bars and one night stands, but Millennials and Zoomers are so overworked and underpaid they just can’t be bothered to deal with other people’s bullshit, men or women.
Hence where all the lonely people come from, and the plummeting birth rate.
As opposed to modern women, who are sterling paragons that men would be crazy to not marry.
What are you referring to?
Mainly referring to the growing disconnect between men becoming more socially conservative while women are becoming more socially liberal. There’s a growing demographic of men, at least in the USA, that are being welcomed into movements like MGTOW and Passport Bros, while women on the left are going on TV and social media talking about how they would rather run into a bear than a man, men are useless and have no place in society. Meanwhile what’s in it for men? Get married, get divorced, wife takes everything, takes the kids, takes the house, even if they are the ones initiating divorce most often.
Men are being raised to not be desirable? Which men? The upper 10% of men that 90% of women think they have a shot at marrying because they sleep with that 10% that has a rolladex of girls. Meanwhile those women often have 10 guys in the friend zone ready to go when they hit the wall at 30-40 and finally want to settle down with all their relationship trauma.
You are projecting your insecurities, my guy.
Like, you’re over here complaining about hypergamy at the same time that you’re whining about this very pedophilic “hit the wall” business. What’s wrong with being 35, exactly? Won’t you be 35 one day?
Don’t misunderstand me, I’m not part of those groups. But I do see them growing and the issue is that those groups are the only ones courting those people.
Nothing wrong with 35. But people are most definitely influenced by relationships they’ve had. Running those numbers up doesn’t seem to be beneficial for anyone in terms of long term happiness.
And what do you mean projecting? I’ve seen clips of women on TV saying that. That’s not me saying it.
They might be growing. I feel like I haven’t heard about MGTOW in a while, but whatever. And, it is true the right wing apparatus is built to court men’s favor specifically, yeah. But that apparatus socializes them into pretty toxic people. When people complain about men, those conservative attitudes are what they’re talking about.
Unless you hang out in some strange circles. It’s obviously possible someone just really hates men, but letting that overshadow a real criticism is pretty god damn silly, in my opinion.
I’m just not sure what any of this has to do with women not being sterling marriage material.
This is what I mean about projection. You’ve got a chip on your shoulder about something, and so from a tweet with a fairly benign take on men as a culture, we get this insecure, jealous, whataboutism about careerless women being owed alimony, I guess.
I would agree that the left gives up too much social capital about men to the right.
I need to have a chip on my shoulder to think the original post could easily be written about both sexes? Does that mean you have a chip on your shoulder against men? I don’t follow your logic.
To be this spiteful about it? Kinda. You’re treating this like a tit-for-tat battle of the sexes for dominance in society, a contest to prove which one really is better, instead of, you know, a grievance somebody has with men as a culture.
Let’s imagine you’re right, that women aren’t great. Would this mean that the men who are socialized not to be desirable don’t have anything to do, then? Because both sexes are equally awful, neither one is obligated to improve?
I think you might be the one projecting. I meant no tone that you are inferring. I think both men and women collectively need to communicate more effectively, and everyone needs to stop speaking broadly about large demographics being represented by loud flashy minorities.
I don’t even grant the premise that either sex is as the other is claiming to be, only a small fraction are and that’s all that’s being interacted with.
No men or women in my entire life fits any of these narratives, but the narratives are all you hear about. They pervade social media just like bad news does in our 24/7 doom scroll world. The majority of people are just decent. But we pretend that every woman is a 304 and every guy is a rapist.
Woman are also not being properly socialized (although in my rant, I argue this is an intergenerational problem).
The problem is everyone is sexually frustrated and no one can find anyone they’re hot for who is available.
Previous generations handled this with singles bars and one night stands, but Millennials and Zoomers are so overworked and underpaid they just can’t be bothered to deal with other people’s bullshit, men or women.
Hence where all the lonely people come from, and the plummeting birth rate.
What rant? Can you link it? Sounds interesting.
Yeah, This one here.
Same post. Different comment.
Care to elaborate?
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… What argument?
Neither OP nor GameChild has made an argument. They’ve just said things.
“Cheese is delicious.”
“No, it’s not.”
“Damn, my argument was flipped on its head.”
What are you talking about?
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