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    Professor was acting unethically.

    He claimed there would be no judgement, and then didn’t follow through on that condition.

    He also instructed the student to lie in the future.

    Where is my A+?


    taking a greentext as a true story

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      And the student himself acting ethically despite thinking they’re only 36/100

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      Hypothetically, if you kidnapped the prof, tied him up and gagged him until he gave you an A, wouldn’t you have earned it? Based on his example, and the voices in my head.

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    Probably what businesses really want is unethical people who are competent at lying about it, and the professor was giving anon practical career advice if not actually ethical advice.

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        They still want workers who are willing to lie to protect the company. There’s a reason why whistleblowers tend to be blackballed from their industries.

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        They still don’t want an honest 95%+ ethical person in any role because it might conflict with the corporation’s desire to have workers rationalize that the needs of the corporation are more important than ethics, ie not wanting to hire potential whistleblowers.

        They want ethical but only to the point that they’re willing to be unethical for the corporation, but not to the point that they’d ever be unethical towards the corporation. Basically sketchy ‘ride or die’ logic

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        They want them even more as middle managers.

        The CEO’s goal is to be able to say “we had the best intentions, I have no idea how it went so badly”, and that requires a bunch of layers of middlemen who are willing to do anything to meet targets

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      What businesses want are unethical people, but only towards everyone else. To them you must always be the pretty prim diamond unicorn princess who shit’s rainbows and profit.

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    Anon had a massive dunk on his professor lined up.

    “You said there would be no judgement and said that people should lie rather than put an accurate score on an ethics survey. Wouldn’t that make your score lower than 36 then?”

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    Goes to business school, shock that the people are twats. Yeah, they are going to school to learn how to be the owner class, what you expect, empathy?

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    Counter with, “this isn’t a job interview” or “I’m vying for a job in the oil and gas industry”.

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    I accidentally ended up at a religious university for medical school and you better believe I’ve gotten in numerous fights with the law and ethics professor (who, to be fair, is actually a MD/JD) regarding the prescribed conservative religious approach to the ethics discussions. I absolutely did not change his mind, but I did get a bunch of my classmates to start asking questions by putting myself out there and challenging the professor on their BS.

    Edit: I should clarify that these fights were on mic in the recorded lectures, so there’s a hard record of my arguing with him.

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      I accidentally ended up at a religious university for medical school

      Oh, yeah, we’ve all been there.

      Also, religion and medicine don’t seem like things that should mix. They are bringing preconceived notions to the table that are not supposed by logic, that seems dangerous in the medical setting

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        I’m guessing the most important lesson in such a school is to not get upset when morons start praising God almighty after you saved their loved one in a day long operation or something.

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          You know, I’d be fine with it if it was God who got the credit as long as he also got the blame, but when I do something good and they start thanking God up and down, while when I make a decision they don’t like they start fuming that I am the arbiter of this darkness…

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          My concern is that in my experience religious dogma and anti-vaxism tend to go hand in hand.

          Also the whole abortion debate which is really something that should even be a debate.

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        Thankfully, the extent of the religion in the education is in the ethics discussions and strong recommendations to discuss spirituality and religion with your patients because faith communities are “very important”. The religion does not make it into any of the actual medicine or science.

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    I’d say that this is one of the few exceptions to the “those who can’t do teach” stereotype being bullshit but clearly he sucks at teaching others ethics as much as he sucks at being ethical in his own behavior 🤷

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      I guess I look at this as the teacher setting the tone early to disabuse the students of any false notions of what the ethics class actually is. Shame they did it in such a shitty way, but I see that as part of their point too. I’m not sure I believe the scenario is necessarily real, but if it is, the message would be appear to be that going forward everyone must understand that this isn’t going to be about how to be ethical, but how to appear to meet artificial requirements that pay lip service to ethics. A teaching to the test kind of approach.

      Teaching explicitly that they should act unethically (lie about their ethical convictions) to ensure they meet future expectations of falsely signalled ethics, and teaching that through a pretty unethical act of deception and public humiliation delivers this message quite succinctly and makes it pretty clear what to expect here on in.

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    Nah, he wants to see if anon can be shamed about his lack of ethics.

    If he is shameless, CEO behavior.

    If he is ashamed, McDonald’s behavior.

    If you lie about it, then just par for the course and you can be a broker anywhere. Gotta feed out the line to find the narcissistic socios and not the stealthy ones.

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      Aye same thought. He was testing the group. OP should have been blunt like “IDGAF and was the only one of you honest enough to admit it”

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        On the one hand, this is a great article. On the other, I now have to go the rest of my day knowing that I said that about an article published by the Guardian.

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      Listening to professors who are also chief officers of companies tickle the balls of capitalistic idealogies to young adults fresh out of high school.

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      There’s a Harvard Professor named Richard Wolfe who always likes to tickle his audience by asking the question “Why do universities have an Economics department that’s distinct and separate from the Business School?” And then he gets into the distinctions between the western ideology around economic planning relative to the practical education around running an efficient business.

      The People’s Republic of Walmart also goes into this bifrication of western understanding of efficient economic practices. Theorists preach the value of competition and choice and flexibility and auction pricing, while successful CEOs tend to prefer strict hierarchies over regional monopolies with steady schedules and well-defined quotas and flat fees.