If you ask me, I’m upset no one picked up that this consideration was sexist and racist, although it is indeed the best choice for her to win, which reflects how bad US can’t get over race and gender.
Is Trump the DEI hire?
Yes, he was the first orange person to be hired as president. He was hired despite Hillary getting more votes because he was the DEI candidate.
was hired despite Hillary getting more votes because
he was the DEI candidateof special admission processes.orange person
Oh damn, is oompa-loompa no longer considered acceptable?
Only orange people can say that word now.
This meme is so inaccurate. Everyone knows he can’t say Kamala. Isn’t it weird people think you should elect someone who can’t even pronounce someone’s name?
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I’ve noticed that too. It was the same with “Hillary.”
Using the last name is a sign of respect that they don’t think women deserve.
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I was having this conversation the other day. Pelosi came up as a counterexample.
Now I’m not sure where the line is between subtle disrespect and simply using the more distinctive part of a candidate’s name.
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Huh, I haven’t really heard people call her “Nancy”. Last time I recall her coming up amongst Republicans, it was “Pelosi” with a reference to the attack on her husband.
“Kamala” is hard to pronounce, yet they never had a problem with “Barack Hussein Obama pause for the scary middle-eastern/Islamic-sounding name to sink into racist audience”
And I love when Palin got called out directly for that and she backpedaled so hard, trying to make it sound like they always do that with everyone and started rattling off republican full names like that made a single bit of difference…
Can we get a truth-o-meter to scrutinize all candidates during debates like they do in futurama?
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The one thing I find difficult about it is that I’ve heard it mispronounced so many times, I have to consciously think about which version is correct. I blame right-wing assholes for that.
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His handlers have just barely managed to stop him from calling her “Kamablack”.
I need more of these critiques to download.
Yeah, so was Biden when he was VP.
Everyone knows this, I do t know why so many people are treating it like a revelation. Mainstream news was openly saying it as soon as she announced she was running.
Her VP would be an older white guy for “diversity” of the ticket.
meanwhile, trump who will claim he’s “most qualified” for the job, REFUSES to let his college transcripts go public. i’m going to go out on a limb (except, not) and say he cheated his way through college, as with everything else, OR he’s a straight D student, hilariously
this is of course ignoring all the lying, raping, treasoning, failed businesses, failed presidencies, and other wannabe con man shit.
but people will still vote for him, because people are stupid gullible suckers
Almost all VPs are DEI hires.
Trump chose Pence because he had government experience and his religious conservatism helped reassure the GOP’s religious voters.
Biden choosing Harris:
Biden committed to selecting a woman as his running mate … He noted that his selection would likely be younger than he is
Obama choosing Biden:
Obama recalled that he and his advisers Axelrod and Plouffe wondered if voters would accept a ticket of “two relatively young, inexperienced, and liberal civil rights attorneys” and ultimately Obama felt the contrast between him and Biden was a strength, and that Biden being older than Obama would reassure those voters who were concerned that Obama was too young to be president
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Democratic_Party_vice_presidential_candidate_selection
Bush Jr. choosing Cheney
By picking Cheney, Bush had a running mate who had years of experience as well as an extensive foreign policy expertise.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Republican_Party_vice_presidential_candidate_selection
Clinton was an exception:
In making the selection, Clinton emphasized Gore’s experience with foreign policy and environmental issues.[1] Clinton’s choice of a fellow young southern centrist defied conventional wisdom
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Democratic_Party_vice_presidential_candidate_selection
This pattern goes through the years. If the presidential candidate is a northerner, they often pick a southerner. If he’s old, he chooses a younger VP candidate. If he’s from a wealthy background, he chooses someone who has a more humble background. If he lacks political experience, he chooses someone who has it. If he lacks international experience, he chooses someone who has it.
All VPs are DEI hires, at least to some extent. It’s accepted that if the two candidates are too similar that the ticket will fail.
If he lacks political experience, he chooses someone who has it. If he lacks international experience, he chooses someone who has it.
I mean, this just sounds like good teamwork
Fundamentally DEI is about good teamwork. You want a diverse team of people with different backgrounds and experiences.
The repubs have successfully tricked a large number of people (including liberals/centrists) into accepting their premise that DEI is a bad thing. When they accuse someone of being a DEI hire the response shouldn’t have been “nuh-uh, she was chosen for her merits,” it should have been “so what? What makes you think she’s not up to the job?”
All VPs are basically picked because of what they are more than who they are. Since there aren’t a lot of actual duties assigned by the constitution, VPs are just picked to help win the election. That means their age, gender, skin color, birthplace, etc are more important than their achievements. That means almost all VPs, including Vance, are “DEI hires.”
I’d argue Walz bucks this trend, at least to a certain degree. His progressive policy and seemingly unwavering integrity seems to be a huge reason he was picked. They’ve leaned into his achievements and republicans are desperately grasping at straws trying to criticize him.
Yeah, I kinda wish Walz was the candidate instead, based on his progressivism and integrity.
8 years of Harris and then 8 years of Walz.
16 years isn’t much in the grand scheme but maybe in that time The Left can wake up and mobilize and actually make some progress towards election reforms so we can start un-fucking the last 50 years of GOP-Heritage Foundation Trickledown Reaganomics Bullshit that’s destroying the country.
Walz Ocasio-Cortez 2032?
im honestly not sure, with kamala as the previous VP she has a lot more experience than walz, so it provides a much stronger campaign being the “previous VP” walz being VP also gets him a large in to being a presidential candidate later on, assuming people want another 70-80 year old dude running the country.
Completely agree. He also just seems like a better candidate vibe wise so far, he’s funny and endearing in a way Kamala is not. Although I do vibe with Kamala’s dorky/weird moments that so many seem to criticize.
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It’s still about perception over tangible benefits, though. He’s not chosen because he’ll make progressive decisions, he’s chosen because he helps encourages progressives to vote come November. Just like if he was black or hispanic would help push those demographics to vote in the general election.
idk if vance is a DEI hire as much as he is a right hand man hire.
He was picked because he appeals to the wacko maga base while licking Trumps… uhhh… boots.
yeah that. And also fucking couches probably.
He appeals to the billionaire voting bloc. They have small numbers (larger than I’d like) of direct votes, but for some reason, they sway elections.
i think that might be trump considering how corrupt he seems to be. I think the real reason they sway elections is because they often have a lot of influence through funding and lobbying.
I think that VPs are also a deterrent of presidential assassination. If the VP is seen as worse than the president by the opposing party members, then no one will try to assassinate the president. However, if the VP is better, that president’s life can be much shorter.
Would the Republicans prefer Walz as president? If yes, then he is a bad selection for VP. If no, Harris is safer as president.
Polling wise VP’s have historically changed very little in elections.
He’s the token white dude!
I wish to have that job one day. I may even be overqualified as I’m quite pale.
I mean he did legalize weed… Token indeed🍃
You could also argue that he was hired for representation. The goal is not to get as many black women into power as possible, but to keep the congress diverse. So ideally, there would be half men, half women, some significant fraction black, and so on.
She could have picked another woman as a VP, and it would not have been too bad. But from a diversity perspective, it is better to represent more parts of the population in these positions.
This. I don’t understand why people think diversity is a bad thing. True democracy and progress comes when everyone is well represented and everyone’s opinions are heard.
With that said we have a lot of institutional barriers that need to be utterly demolished before the people will actually be heard. We have a long way to go, and the first step is to participate in your local elections and vote for the people who actually listen.
I would love to see Gretchen Whitmer but reality says we are (hopefully) ready for a woman in charge, two is sadly pushing it. Maybe in 20-40 years, it will be something to see before I die. (I’m 50). But I’m estatic about Walz!!! He so… wholesome? “Perfect”? Perfect fit. So warm and compassionate. And the ticket has GenX! We are FINALLY represented! 💙
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I’m not sure I’m hearing anyone saying diversity is a bad thing.
People used “diversity hire” as an attack on Harris, but no one is using it as an attack on Walz, even though everyone basically immediately knew that the VP pick was going to be an older white man if only to make the ticket less of a “leap”.
That an all woman ticket, a ticket with two not-white people, or anything else not “default American politician” would face issue is kinda OPs point that we still have a long way to go to overcome those institutional barriers you mention.
Needing to consider diversity or representation when picking people is a sign that something has already gone wrong.
If the system were just and those barriers didn’t exist, people wouldn’t consider diversity, they’d just pick the best person and the diversity would just be there as consequence of demographics. (In a fair system, the top N% of the population will have a comparable demographic breakdown to the population at large).It’s a sign of a cultural hangup that we definitely consider diversity, and need to in order to have decent representation, when making these choices, and even more sad that it’s only used as a cudgel against minorities , even when they were the first pick and others are being used to offset their “riskiness”.
I’m not sure I’m hearing anyone saying diversity is a bad thing.
i haven’t either, but the tone is weird, and it’s making me a little iffy seeing people not go “look tim walz is a great pick, but this is definitely a shower thought to think about more completely” but instead its mostly just comments about how it’s a little weird that kamala picked a white VP even though that makes perfect sense.
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I understand why affirmative action is needed to somehow bring back some fairness and equality, but it is just sad that it is accepted as a permanent feature of a system that is systemically racist/mysoginist. It prevents tackling the root causes and investing in a free education system which is the only way to fix this on the long run. But anyway we have science fiction movies and series that do it right… I mean the fact that e.g. a ticket Harris/AOC is science fiction saddens me
It’s not preventing solving the root cause. It’s helping put people in power who can attempt to solve it by for example investing in free education. Unless you put enough such people through education into the halls of power, you can’t hope that someone from the winner class of the system would do things to hurt their children from having such advantage to win. And then you have people who constantly and actively oppose any such actions. So things are improving but there still aren’t enough people in the halls of power to do the work needed to root out these problems.
The thing is… you’re not really represented because they look the same as you. Someone who could run as the Aryan candidate may represent the downtrodden PoC than someone who looks like them.
There’s plenty of PoC who still represent the GoP, even if it’s not the same as Democrats.
Values are about more than appearance, despite what many conservatives will tell you.
Representative democracy.
Should represent the diverse concerns, culture, and needs of the diverse population.
Equitably including the diverse.
but to
keepmake the congress diverseBecause it definitely isn’t there yet, due to overrepresentation of white (cis, straight, Christian, abled) men.
So from a diversity perspective, she should have gone for anyone other than a white man, but instead she has to cater to white men who somehow still manage to feel like they’re lacking in representation, because picking a running mate that wasn’t a white man would have tanked her campaign. Everyone knows it, but few are willing to admit to themselves why - racism, sexism, and a bunch of others too.
Is he the best from the options she had? Looks like. But the options she had were limited.
So from a diversity perspective
no, from a minority representation perspective she should’ve absolutely gone for another minority candidate who doesn’t get the same rep as these people do.
But for a diversity perspective, you’re picking the most immediately broad and comprehensive minority and majority/plurality groups available. You want a diverse coverage of the US population, and the easiest way to do like 50% of that is with a white candidate.
I realize you’re probably talking about the federal government more broadly, but that’s an unreasonable comparison because her running mate, and cabinet picks are what are arguably most representative of the average population here.
House and senate members are literally voted in, so that’s already a solved problem, just vote in minority candidates. Everyone else is an employee of the government, so who gives a fuck about them.
because picking a running mate that wasn’t a white man would have tanked her campaign. Everyone knows it, but few are willing to admit to themselves why - racism, sexism, and a bunch of others too.
you mean to tell me having representation of only like 20-30% of the population means you’re not going to do well? That’s weird.
But for a diversity perspective, you’re picking the most immediately broad and comprehensive minority and majority/plurality groups available.
Not when one group is already vastly overrepresented, but well done on missing the point. Your congress is not diverse, and adding/keeping a white man in the mix is never going to make it more diverse.
you mean to tell me having representation of only like 20-30% of the population means you’re not going to do well? That’s weird.
And with that, thanks for demonstrating my actual point (and also that you are clearly conflating diversity with representation, as well as ignoring every statistical reality about the makeup of your government and population to build your strawman):
Everyone knows it, but few are willing to admit to themselves why - racism, sexism, and a bunch of others too
I know it’s so so scary to even imagine, but don’t fret, even if she had picked someone who isn’t a white man, you’d continue to be vastly overrepresented for no good reason at all…
“When you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression"
Not when one group is already vastly over-represented, but well done on missing the point. Your congress is not diverse, and adding/keeping a white man in the mix is never going to make it more diverse.
yeah, and the congress is irrelevant and again, voted in by voters. Kamala is not at the reins of the congress, you should be advocating for minorities to run for congress positions then. I’m in support of that, i have nothing against that. I just don’t believe you should be going for ONLY representation in government, you need the correct people in office.
Might i also add that the kamala ticket is also the most diverse ticket we have in this election cycle, every other candidate you can vote for is old white men, this one is an older black woman, and an older white man who is her VP.
And with that, thanks for demonstrating my actual point (and also that you are clearly conflating diversity with representation, as well as ignoring every statistical reality about the makeup of your government and population to build your strawman):
you mean the point you were making about how the US government is a representative democracy which intends to equally represent the demographic of each state relatively equivalent to the population demographics of that state?
I know it’s so so scary to even imagine, but don’t fret, even if she had picked someone who isn’t a white man, you’d continue to be vastly over-represented for no good reason at all…
vastly over-represented how? Do my votes count more magically because i’m white? If we’re talking about representation i think we should put mentally ill people into office because i feel extremely under-represented in that category.
“When you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression"
there is almost no situation in which the presidential candidate and their VP being both of minority status would “increase” diversity in any meaningful way. Arguably since it’s federal, and we’re talking nationwide, the most diverse and representative cast would literally just be a white person, and someone else.
To be clear, i have no problems with two minority candidates running for office together, if they have good policy and a really good campaign. Kamala and walz have quite literally the best campaign built in a long time. Picking anybody other than walz in this would have likely been a mistake. It just wouldn’t get as much reach as it currently is. And when you’re literally trying to run to gain a representative vote in your country, not having a white person on your ticket is probably going to hurt that representation.
also, little tidbit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States#Race_and_ethnicity some demographics data, as of 2020 census, about 50% of the US population was white, not mixed white, but white, about 20% was hispanic (always bigger than i remember for some reason, i guess i just don’t think about it often lol) every other group except for blacks being less than 10%
so in your optimal minority pick, you would pick hispanic, and black candidates, which would represent about 30% of the country. Kamala and walz is about 60% of representation, about 2x as much as the optimal minority pick. The OPTIMAL pick would be white and hispanic, at about 70% representation total.
to make my point clear here, if you’re trying to reach out for as much representation and support based on that representation as possible, which is what the idea behind diversity primarily is, this is a pretty good lineup.
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yes THIS, i don’t know why people don’t see this. Tim walz literally represents tens of millions, of people in the US population, it’s very clear why he was chosen.
Why do you think about US politics in the shower?
Same reason we think about mistakes we made in high school while we’re trying to go to sleep?
what do you think about in the shower?
Not about politicians in my country, that is for sure. They’re the last people I want to think about naked and soapy.
that’s why i think about politics more broadly, not politicians.
Damn it now you got me thinking about naked and soapy politicians, now where’s the mental eye bleach.
Enjoy the privilege! 😂
Maybe they just stare blankly at the floor, or read the ingredients on the shampoo bottle again for the 14 thousandth time.
true, that is an option. Staring at the floor is a solid way to spend a shower ngl
Some people get off to politics.
Wow yeah, I guess I never sat around thinking “How can I make myself more depressed”
Why don’t you? This community probably confuses you greatly
All VP picks are DEI hires.
Mike pence?
They went for white instead of orange.
He was to build a bridge to the evangelicals, they were all originally super skeptical of trump and needed pence.
In some circles they were voting for trump, hoping he got impeached so they could have pence.
All of that has shifted and Trump is their second coming, but originally, it was not like this.
Thats fucking goofy. The USA has such stupid politics
Would be interesting to see the GOP try to run with this messaging. As much as they hate “dei hires” they would jump all over that part, but seeing that it benefitted a white male would likely make them short circuit.
Its “Walz”, no t, and yeah, Daily Show already made that association yesterday. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1geBpDjYb7c within the first minute of the clip.
Thanks, corrected the autocorrect
there are no black people, or white people. just shades of brown from light brown to dark brown.
I can’t believe we still use that antiquated differentiator. there can be both “white” and “black” people in the same ethnic group so it’s means next to nothing
Missing the forest for the trees or whatever. It’s not about skin colour but how society perceives and treats you. If Kamala isn’t black then why is she being called a DEI hire when Hilary Clinton never was?
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My point is that society perceives her as a black women. Saying shit like “there are no black people” is moronic in a society that values and scrutinizes race as much as ours does.
I don’t know about being called a DEI hire, but I DO remember Hillary being called the worst possible option. I DON’T recall anyone calling Harris the worst possible option. Oddly enough in 2024, that would be Biden.
because DEI literally didnt exist in 2016 to the same level it does now?
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That race is nearly meaningless in the rest of the world seems like a very sheltered and privileged viewpoint. There are riots in the UK regarding race and propaganda/misinformation. I’m guessing you live in a fairly homogeneous country if race/ethic background is never specified on various forms.
Maybe, I think, it’s a possibility, that perhaps he is fit to be a VP…
I didn’t consider his gender and race and I liked his policies, until I read about aipac and Palestine.
Hmmm how should I pick out who would be a good vice president… I’ll disregard professional perspective and voting history for no reason. Let’s instead analyze the implied genitalia and melanin production in the dermis!
Really bro?
It’s almost like you can do BOTH.
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