Meanwhile, 44 percent backed the American tradition of competing branches of government as a model, if sometimes “frustrating,” system.
Why would people want to live under an authoritarian’s thumb? It’s rooted, experts say, in a psychological need for security—real or perceived—and a desire for conformity, a goal that becomes even more acute as the country undergoes dramatic demographic and social changes. People also like to obey a strong leader who will protect the group—especially if it is the “right” group whose interests will be protected. Recall the Trump supporter who, during the 2019 government shutdown, complained, “He’s not hurting the people he needs to be hurting.”
The people who dont want to be told how they live desperately want someone to tell them how to live.
They want their opinion mirrored back at them by someone in power so they don’t have to take responsibility for their own opinions.
A close friend of mine is a woman of color and her bosses want the same things from her. They wants to hear their opinion come out of someone with her skin tone so they feel justified and not responsible at the same time. I imagine these are similar phenomenon.
Nailed it, this 💯
You just perfectly described the Candace Owens and Dave Rubin phenomenon.
They don’t want to be told how to live while simultaneously having someone force others to live like them.
To have others be told how to live, which is how they prefer to live already.
Exactly.
They support him because they believe he is like them, so they won’t need to change anything. It’s everyone else that will be forced to be like them that they want…
I hope I’m not spreading misinformation, but I believe one of the victims of the assassination attempt had a flag on his Facebook page that was a play off of “don’t tread on me” and in it’s place was a tank with “tread on all of them.”
I fucking hate these people so much
Sounds like they’re just looking for a daddy.
The people who don’t want to be told how to live want other people to be told how to live thinking they’ll be left alone.
They are authoritarians.
A guy in the 90s foretold what will happen, who they are, and why we must outvote them
Also fun fact:
Every tabletop scenario he ran (think like a UN version of Risk) in which the Authoritarians had control, they wiped out everyone with nuclear war including themselves.
I don’t think we’ll go out that way, but I do 100% believe our greed will be our “great filter” that we do not pass. :(
with dwindling resources on a warming planet, I think the likelyhood of a significant nuclear exchange is dramatically increased - perhaps even inevitable.
agree with the great filter. it makes me think that humans, having acted as a great filter for our hominid family tree, are about to reap what we have been sowing for the last 200k+ years.
or this could be a one of many catalysts for speciation. I sometimes feel that some people are already a different species. not better, not worse (not willing to engage in subjective morality) - just different, with different goals, problems and problem solving tools.
the likelyhood of a significant nuclear exchange is dramatically increased - perhaps even inevitable.
Yes. Never has anybody used a weapon only once forever. As long as nukes still exist, they WILL get used again someday. We can’t help ourselves.
Neurodivergent here.
Never grew wisdom teeth.
I’m definetly a branch species
yup. the rise in diagnosed neurodivergency isnt just because tools are better. I think we have genuine, solid frequency increase.
please stay safe.
It’s the chemicals in the water. They do more than just turn frogs gay.
You mean… cancer?
performs the arm-flap mating dance
fully automatic finger guns
I’m just going off what his report said.
And he nailed them to a fucking T
If I remember correctly, even after giving the authoritarians a do-over, they still fucked it up.
Meanwhile, the people in the other group who scored low on authoritarianism like solved the climate crisis and world hunger.
Some people are legitimately bad at politics and stuff, and it’s not the people the authoritarians are mad about.
Yep lol. Every chance they got they blew themselves and everyone else up. It was quite the crazy read on a flight from Boston to Chicago lol.
A nuclear civil war… can’t say I’m surprised.
I’m glad at least they aren’t hiding it anymore
TIL 32% of Americans are idiots.
Wait … I knew this already. Never mind.
You can pretty much ask almost any insane thing and it somehow always comes out to at least 30% of Americans.
I sometimes wonder if it’d always the same 30% and there just 30% idiots, or if that 30% spans multiple topics and groups of idiots and its actually higher like 60%
30% of Americans think that feet and legs should be removed and made illegal
Thats why they named it head and shoulders, the anti bottom torso movement scared them off.
I wonder if it’s something like 25% of survey respondents are just picking the most outrageous thing and 5% actually believe that way. I remember a while ago on a survey about being ok with political violence, they tried to control for that kind of thing and it dropped the numbers a lot.
It’s more than that, but some of them accidentally believe that democracy is good.
Alternative headline: “32 percent of Americans are fucking braindead”
I mean, I imagine if someone like Bernie Sanders became Dictator for Life; the quality of life for 99.999% of Americans would improve; so purely in a thought-experiment kind of way, it works.
The issue with even the most benelovent dictatorships is the matter of succession.
Yup, that is the exact problem of benevolent dictatorships. No matter how good it is in the short term, the long term will always end in disaster at some point or another.
Braindead, or supremely selfish and would love a regime that enforces their unpopular desires over the democratic choice?
Which is still braindead. What happens when their perfect leader can no longer serve? Even if a dictator 100% aligns with you, you’re a fool to support them.
I should of scrolled down before saying the same this myself.
And this right here is exactly why leftist should never give up their guns.
Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.
- Karl Marx
If you go far enough left, you get your guns back!
That’s not far left, that’s just left of center. Don’t buy the American bullshit that socialism is an extreme, it honestly isn’t.
No shit, Democrats are right leaning moderates these days. Too bad a third party has no chance at getting anywhere because I’d be all for a socialist party.
An overwhelming majority of California and New York leftists disagree with you and have neutered themselves in order to prevent black people from organizing during the segregation era protests and now the reason is for children’s safety from school shooters.
What do you say to those people?
Probably the same old electoral reform gobbledegok.
First Past The Post voting yadayadayada Ranked choice voting herpdederpdeboo state level reform possible yabbadabbadoo
Then have them acuse me of being a secret Republican Russian because I didn’t suck Joe bidens dick with a big enough smile.
Doesn’t look like keeping them is doing much either.
The ballot box still works AFAIK (as shit as First Past The Post voting is)
Are you an accelerationist?
Are you an accelerationist?
No, Canadian.
Even well-meaning authoritarians can do terrible things, to say nothing of their eventual replacement. Look what happens to otherwise great companies when the founder dies and is replaced by someone just looking to maximize next quarter profits.
What short-sighted utter fools.
Hmm I wonder what 30% that is…
I also wonder if there is any overlap between that 30% and people that have a bones for “freedom” and “liberty”
If you check the poll it’s not what you’d expect. The self-identified left had 25% support. The self-identified right had 29% support. The self-identified center had 37 PERCENT support. There’s apparently a thirst for some strong authoritarian radical centrism.
I struggle to trust numbers nowadays. After being on Reddit for 11 years and now here on Lemmy, and around the Internet my entire life, lemme tell you about why people would self-identify as something else for a moment:
Because they are anonymous.
There are a huge amount of people who are on the Right on Lemmy trying to pass off as Blue, or blue-leaning.
As someone who is quite left, I find myself less radically left than many on Lemmy. My beliefs basically fall exactly with Bernie Sanders, which is more left than probably 95% of the entire country, but that isn’t left enough for some people.
Even without active deception there’s plenty of self-deception. People like the aesthetic of “I’m my own person, not beholden to left or right” while voting left or right every election.
That would be the ‘benevolent dictator’ crowd. Strong amongst the military and business/tech investor class.
We fought a fucking war over this and people still seem to love licking boots.
It was a disturbingly close call which side of WWII we were gonna land on. In 1939 the second-largest Nazi party in the world was right here in America.
Stupid people who don’t know how the system works think that they will someday be wearing the boot. They think because they kiss the boot that they’ll never be stomped.
I just wanna wear my crocs :(
They are a part of our DNA. Perhaps the tribe in the jungle needed bootlickers to survive and we inherited that DNA.
We never were civilized. We added extra steps to the (concrete) jungle and pretended we were.
“Susan Sontag was asked what she had learned from the Holocaust, and she said that 10% of any population is cruel, no matter what, and that 10% is merciful, no matter what, and that the remaining 80% could be moved in either direction” —Kurt Vonnegut
Yeah, I like to call that the 10-80-10 principle. That’s why it’s so important to keep the arguments up for why we should vote Blue no matter who. 10% want to fuck everyone over. And they’ve managed to convince another 22% that they are right. We’re all screwed if we don’t get the 68% that aren’t assholes to vote Blue.
Here’s the problem with your partisanship. If you give a party your unconditional support, then they have no reason to cater to your needs. All they have to do is just to be slightly better than the alternative. Which is exactly the current situation and which is also exactly what makes the Democratic party today so unattractive. For the independent electorate it’s feels as though they are being coerced into voting Democrat. That’s not good for anyone.
If you give a party your unconditional support, then they have no reason to cater to your needs.
I believe it’s conditional on the only other option being actual fascism.
Ah yes a bell curve
The Founders were ONLY CORRECT when they said we’re allowed to Shoot Up Elementary Schools. Everything else was WRONG!
-Pro Life Republicans.
Leopards ate my face energy
News just in. At least 32% of Americans are brain dead.
That’s what the Germans though in 1932, too. Maybe those idiots now should have a look into some history books about that era to see what happened next.
I’m not sure they can read.
How charitable! I know they can’t.
Maybe have 20th century european history as a YouTube short would work? If it’s kept under 20 or 25 seconds?
Sorry, those books are banned because it hurt some fascist fee fees…
Reactionaries believe that all of the problems they face are due to the fact that the wrong people are ruling.
They are 100% in favor of a neo-feudal pseudoaristocracy where billionaires are unleashed to rule the States as their fiefdoms and will impose their vision upon their subjects.
Reactionaries do not value individual autonomy except for the privileged man who runs the factory, farm, or family; all others should do as they’re told or face his wrath.
They do not believe in structuring society to be fair and equitable, as is evident by their crusaides against DEI, holding police accountable, women, LGBTQ people, the non-religious, the unhoused, progressive taxes, and welfare.
All they care about is power to enact their will on others.
The dissonance is astounding. The average mouth breathing MAGA is either so poor and stupid that they don’t realize that their taxes are going to go way up and their services like Pension and medical will evaporate. The other type of MAGA supporter is probably a fairly well off enough to insulate them from the worst of this (except the tax shift to them) but are happy because they get to openly hate the people they see as a problem which will lead to blow back that they can’t understand. Bad times ahead if trump wins guaranteed
