The first pinned post can be found here:
https://lemmy.world/post/17530961
That’s where all the engagement and comments can be found, and I’d encourage everyone to participate there.
The reason for THIS post is to direct everyone there.
I’m getting multiple reports that some people can’t see it for some reason. Could be Federation, could be they blocked the user who posted it.
Here’s hoping you all can see THIS one and move over to where everyone else is engaged.
Please please please can we stop the conspiracy theories from blowing up in this thread? Can we not act like them?
Conspiracy theories aside, I’d like to see people mocking the injury with little red ear clips, just like these assholes mocked John Kerry with purple heart band-aids:
Why?
Because they need to be mocked.
looks like shit
I don’t think it’s a conspiracy theory to think that the actor turned politician decided to act like he was getting shot for attention. He’s a reality show host that says shocking things. I don’t think it’s a far stretch to say he would fake an assassination attempt when it’s in every other movie in Hollywood. This is in his wheelhouse.
NYT photographer got the photo of the bullet, it seems that TMZ’s reporting that it was glass from the teleprompter is not correct:
https://x.com/spectatorindex/status/1812293722832318726
There very well could be bullets. One person died. However, I don’t think it’s a far stretch to say he would sacrifice someone to gain what he wants to gain.
He has been proven to manipulate with the Russians for the last election. Is it that big of a leap to think he would stage a dramatic scene for sympathy? Plus he walked away without any harm.
We are witness to a truly baffling idiocy…
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Removed, civility.
Oh my god dude this is exactly what right wing fuckwits are doing to make sure it was “definitely a radical gay woke leftist” wake the fuck up. You are indulging the exact same conspiratorial thinking and circular logic they do. You’ve decided what happened and are cobbling together “evidence” in the form of “it’s possible.”
Get off your computer for an hour and go take a walk or something. Wait for actual information.
No u
Removed, civility.
This is literally a conspiracy theory.
Uh huh. You are selling that he’s that important and that people care that much. I don’t buy it. Go forth with your blind eyes. Mine see a better truth ;)
You sound like a QAnon grifter.
How? I’m bitching about how someone else has control over my life? No. I just don’t believe some event is shaking out the way they wanted it to. It’s what half of America has been asking for. Including him.
You did not say it was just shaking out the way they want it to. You were coming up with conspiracy theories for how it happened. Stop playing dumb/innocent. We both know exactly what you’re doing and it is insulting that you think you can pretend it was anything else.
I am not coming up with it. It’s been said since it’s happened. Because he’s a grifter that no one trusts and it’s in his character to lie. Maybe try not being a douchebag and people will care if you are shot at and not think it’s another grift 🤷
So walk me through how that conversation goes in your head. Trump is just this side of senile, so he definitely couldn’t have come up with a convoluted plot involving his attempted assassination, so it 100% would have had to be a suggestion of someone else. So let’s walk through the conversation that must have happened for this to have been a fake assassination attempt.
“So Mr. Trump, I think that the best thing to do to ensure you’re going to win the next election is to have someone shoot very near you. Maybe the bullet will graze you, maybe it’ll hit the teleprompter and send shards of glass your way. But either way, it’ll be a very close thing, and you’ll suffer a minor injury along the way.”
Do you honestly think that Donald Trump, the guy who got out of the draft because of bone spurs, the guy who gets queasy at the sight of blood, the guy who has spent the last 2 months talking about how he’d cling to a battery to get electrocuted instead of taking his chances with a shark, would be ok with being shot at? Seriously?
Because if that’s what you think, you and I don’t occupy the same universe.
I would think the smartest play would to be near him say 10 yards where it would “look” close enough. Actually take out the sacrifice. But then go down and act as hit with a blood pack or cut himself on the ear when he was on the ground. The graze is just an illusion. Kind of like the bullet catch trick if you are familiar with magic tricks.
Be creative. Let’s say you are a decision maker in Trump’s orbit. You think now is a good time to do something big to fire up your base.
Do you tell trump and risk bad acting or do you set it up without his knowledge? I believe the injury is genuine but that doesn’t rule out the idea that the situation was set up to have a minimal chance of permanent injury to the candidate while giving him incredible PR and the chance to look strong.
I think that the idea that it was faked is so outlandish that it would require a good amount of evidence before the prospect could even be considered in serious conversation. There is zero evidence that it was faked. By far the most likely explanation is that someone who had a bone to pick with Donald Trump, and who was not particularly skilled at making shots 150 yards away climbed up onto a roof and grabbed the opportunity that lax security provided.
You start throwing in conspiracies about how it was an inside job, and everything becomes so much more complicated, logistics-wise. Complicated plots do happen, but to suggest that was the case here with zero evidence is laughable.
I ain’t saying I believe this. I think it has a low but non zero plausibility level. It’s also not ‘faked’, my hypothetical is a real guy really shooting at trump but with the scenario manipulated to limit permanent damage or death of the candidate.
It’s more believable than a full faked assassination attempt with fake blood, given the proximity of bystanders and cameras.
There aren’t sufficient words to describe the lack of intelligence in this comment.
someone died, plus the shooter. At least one other attendee was injured.
That’s it.
It’s either a trump election win and civil war from him dismantling one too many of the elements of US government.
Or trump looses the election, incites a civil war, and the craziest actually do it.
Either way, as this even proves: Get. Your. Guns. Whilst you still can.
Why would Trump losing incite civil war? Who is going to take any weapons from anyone? Who is going to enforce the law? They aren’t going to fight themselves. They want a civil war and they want the Dems to just make one mistake to cause it.
There is no way to say that there will be that many of them. There will be a few. But nothing on a scale of civil war. That’s some dumb neck beard fantasy. If the Dems win it will be ok. Until the next 4 years.
Trump losing would throw the “stolen election” nonsense into overdrive. Hence the civil war.
I hear that. But who is going to enforce it? The cops? The army? I don’t see that happening. They would attack themselves.
It wouldn’t be the cops or the army, it would be his Proud Boys aligned supporters, a la the attempt to kidnap the governor of Michigan.
I dont know if you know, the CIA did a infiltration of a local dad group. Funded them with CIA money to buy guns, ammo, the entire op, planted themselves inside, pushed ideas by asking leading hypothetical questions, coerced them to act in certain suspicious ways.
CIA are the worst thing that 'Muricans have as an agency. Instead of “keep 'Murica safe” they do these BS things which they did all over the world to destabilize legitimate govts.
I wouldnt put it past the cIA to have “setup” a deranged individual with ideas to go do stuff at a rally.
What in the fuck are you on? Do you have any sources for this claim?
Not the CIA, they can’t operate inside the United States, but yes, the FBI does radicalization exercises like this quite often:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Portland_car_bomb_plot
https://www.justice.gov/nsd/pr/convicted-bomb-plotter-sentenced-30-years
Not the CIA, they can’t operate inside the United States, but yes, the FBI does radicalization exercises like this quite often:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Portland_car_bomb_plot
https://www.justice.gov/nsd/pr/convicted-bomb-plotter-sentenced-30-years
The proud boys are in jail. Their leaders are in shambles after January 6th.
A few are, yes, not nearly enough of them.
Every fascist movement has its paramilitary. Hitler had his Brownshirts, Mussolini had his Blackshirts, and Trump has his Redhats.
Please dont involve Redhat in this mess.
These ae Crimson Caps.
Sorry, but IBM bought it so it’s evil now. I don’t make the rules.
spoiler
(Whether I’m still talking about WWII or more recent shit IBM did is left as an exercise for the reader.)
IBM stopped being relevant since the PC days. The moment the IBM exec who claimed that the market has in-demand for only “5-Mini computers”, IBM lost the plot a long long time ago.
Right now, IBM is mostly a holding corp. THey buy stuff, destroy it, and buy more stuff. Most of IBM innovations and engineers have moved on to other companies. IBM have zero or close-to-zero amount of real tech or IP. Most of it is just fluff and overblown BS.
Redhat was already attempting being “like IBM” even before the buyout. But a lot of IBM techs were transferred over to Redhat.
Redhat or IBM is just the lesser of evils. It is like blaming the Abacus maker or the calculator maker for the Nuclear Bomb.
Right, because that’s totally what happened last time
It really was close last time.
You look at the fake electors scheme, the attempt to kidnap the governor of Michigan, and January 6th… those are all opening shots in a civil war.
You will find that civil wars in a digitalized surveillance state are very short lived and that the masses don‘t actually hold all that much power apart from the few things they‘re legally allowed to do. So unless tens of millions just stop showing up to work across the country, I don‘t see how the citizens have any leverage whatsoever once the election is over.
Okay, Tim Pool. Whatever you say.
I’m getting multiple reports that some people can’t see it for some reason. Could be Federation, could be they blocked the user who posted it.
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It’s the second option and for good reason.
Which is…?
Yup, I blocked them too, not exactly sure why, but they’ve earned a spot on a fairly short list.
I blame the news media. After years of fear mongering. Will make a crazy parson act up. Sadly it did. But they not going to change. They’re not going learn from this. The news media are do what they been doing. Like nothing happened.
How long before right wing media is claiming the shooter was trans?
we just respond appropriately:
- thoughts and prayers
- NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO TALK ABOUT GENDER ISSUES
- thoughts and prayers
Early reports are that he was a registered Republican. But early reports are often wrong.
CNN is speaking to Evan Perez, Senior US Justice Department Correspondant, confirming the information first reported by the New York Post.
Also on Reuters:
NBC:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/trump-rally-shooter-identified-rcna161757
Oh you silly goose. I said right wing media. Facts and truth don’t matter to them.
Considering that his registration is tied to his actual address it is hard to get that one wrong.
Early reports are that he was a registered Republican
Okay admittedly we all know it’s not a false flag. But could we all just collectively pretend and shout it from the rooftops like Republicans do? That would be so cathartic.
No, what the fuck is wrong with people? This isn’t a healthy or productive response to the events that are unfolding.
Years and years of being gaslit will do things to you.
What the fuck is with all the jokes about missing Trump? Assassinating a political candidate is nothing to be happy about, no matter how you feel about them.
At what point does someone calling for and causing harm to people you care about sufficient before you lose all empathy for them? How come politicians can literally get away with poisoning people’s water like in Flint, couping foreign governments, and contributing to the deaths of thousands or even millions but I can’t post memes when they die or else I’m worse than them by some brainworm logic? It’s so hypocritical the way they go unscathed because they didn’t put a gun to someone’s head directly. Now every milquetoast senator is sending well wishes to someone who would rather see them dead or deported. People should act in a way deserving of that empathy and maybe people would show it.
And you think this would help your cause? This would only motivate the right and make them more brazen. You can change things using violence, and if you do they won’t last. It’s up to the people to defeat them in the elections. Your focus should be on grassroots movements to change the people’s minds, not resort to violence like this. This same thought process is what led to J6 riots.
I’m literally just talking about how I wouldn’t feel anything at all if things turned out differently. I hope you put as much effort toward your grassroots campaigns as you do chastizing people online about making fun of fascists.
Over the last 8 years the right in the US has reorganized into a cult of personality focused on Trump.
It’s self defense. He’s been threatening our lives for years. If you can’t see that, you are speaking from a position of absolute privilege. Stop victim blaming.
Just to clarify… Would you’ve said the same thing about Hitler? Americans, specifically Republicans, are very hot about their gun amendment and how it shall be used against some sort of authoritarian uprising. Now one of their nutjobs ended up attempting exactly that. Or he’s a boogaloo dumbo who thought this would incite a civil war.
He probably got hit in the head, but there was nothing in there 🤣🤣🤣
How about this isn’t simply a matter of not liking someone? He is a very real threat, and in all honesty, this should have been an official military act. And they wouldn’t have fucking missed. This man can absolutely not be allowed to take office. It cannot happen. And the law doesn’t seem to be making sure he doesn’t.
Yeah lol. For me, I figured out it’s because I blocked Ozma.
Chris Hedges tweet…
My thoughts on the assassination attempt on former President Trump:
The assassination of Trump would not remove the yearning of tens of millions of people, many conditioned by the Christian right, for a cult leader. Most of the leaders of the Christian right have built cult followings of their own. These Christian fascists embraced magical thinking, attacked their enemies as agents of Satan and denounced reality-based science and journalism long before Trump did. Cults are a product of social decay and despair, and our decay and despair are expanding, soon to explode in another financial crisis.
The efforts by the Democratic Party and much of the press, including CNN and The New York Times, to discredit Trump, as if our problems are embodied in him, are futile. The smug, self-righteousness of this crusade against Trump only contributes to the national reality television show that has replaced journalism and politics. This crusade attempts to reduce a social, economic and political crisis to the personality of Trump. It is accompanied by a refusal to confront and name the corporate forces responsible for our failed democracy. This collusion with the forces of corporate oppression, which have impoverished the working class, fostered endless war, militarized our police, created the largest prison system in the world, licensed corporations to exploit the most vulnerable and transferred wealth upwards into the hands of a billionaire class, neuters the press, Trump’s critics and the Democratic Party.
Our only hope is to organize the overthrow of the corporate state that vomited up Trump. Our democratic institutions, including the legislative bodies, the courts and the media, are hostage to corporate power. They are no longer democratic. We must, like resistance movements of the past, engage in acts of sustained mass civil disobedience, especially strikes, and non-cooperation. By turning our ire on the corporate state, rather than Trump, we name the true sources of power and abuse. We expose the absurdity of blaming our demise on demonized groups such as undocumented workers, Muslims, African-Americans, Latinos, liberals, feminists, gays and others. We give people an alternative to a bankrupt Democratic Party – whose presidential candidate is in clear cognitive decline – that is a full partner in corporate oppression and cannot be rehabilitated. We make possible the restoration of an open society. If we fail to embrace this militancy, which alone has the ability to destroy cult leaders, we will continue the march toward tyranny.
source: https://x.com/ChrisLynnHedges/status/1812526737982726267
At best it might’ve given us a win for the White House but this is just one election. Even if Donald Trump wins and voluntarily leaves office afterwards his GOP successor will be even worse I’m sure. The best thing about Trump is how much of a lazy grifter he is. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if barely anything changes at the federal level because he’s too busy trying to line his pockets with taxpayer money. The DeSantises and Ramiswamys of the US want to hand over the country to the corporations and churches and they’re fine doing it for pennies on the dollar.
New York Post is the first to identify the shooter. Not linking it here because, well, New York Post… but it is being floated out there on non-social media.
Edit CNN is speaking to Evan Perez, Senior US Justice Department Correspondant, confirming the information first reported by the New York Post.
Also on Reuters:
NBC:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/trump-rally-shooter-identified-rcna161757
