They take getting caught seriously, not the stuff they get caught at.

This is it exactly. They (gov) literally don’t care if anyone gets hurt, they just care what the world’s perception of them is.

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That’s just how an effective political system works. The governor and the people they appointed to cut expenses for Flint MI’s water system didn’t care enough about the potential consequences for the people of Flint because they knew there wouldn’t be severe consequences for them.

No system functions because it depends on people being good kind caring people.

They take getting caught seriously, not the stuff they get caught at.

Wut. I’m not sure if this is a distinction without a difference, or a subtle distinction that I need a better grasp on continental philosophy to comprehend.

It’s like saying a state doesn’t take murder seriously - they take getting caught seriously. It’s technically true if you parse it a certain way, but ultimately meaningless

this kind of thing is not bad because it endangered people’s lives, it’s bad because it makes them look bad and might impact their exports

Something can be bad for multiple reasons. Also, there’s multiple actors here. The operators of the state-owned enterprise have different incentives than the regulators

Kind of. It depends on how egregious it is. Companies endangering lives by pitting melamine in mile - jail. Foxconn endangering lives by overworking people in work camps - 👨‍🦯

But I definitely give you that some of the more egregious cases are taken more seriously than in the west.

I’m on the fence about whether it matters or not, that they might only do so to politically save face. ⚖️

the flip side is they tend to take court cases involving individuals less seriously. Rulings are designed to be done in a quick manner and reletively speaking, cam be harsh with sentences. Culturally they care more for someone possibly related(but not guaranteed to be) get punished over verifying if said person is actually guilty of something.

its a system thats good if said perpetrator is caught fast, but terrible for the person who just happened to be there at the wrong time if a perp gets away.

tl;dr swift justice, but dont take as many precautions on whether they got the right person or not.

Yes… Unfortunately, yes.

It was fooken one of yss

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Except Chin’s dictator is grown up.

U.S. has been complete shit for the last 8 years, but somehow we haven’t collapsed and life goes on as usual. So I’m usually pretty skeptical of specific predictions (though the trends are worth paying attention to).

The single most accurate predictor of a country’s future is their demographic structure, and China’s is one of the worst, not just in the world, but in history. It’s pretty normal for nations to go into cycle of prosperity and despair where they expand and shrink, however, what China is going through is unique. China’s population is predicted to shrink down from 1.4 billion people to just 587 million by 2100. That is insane. It’s scale, speed, intensity is something we’ve never seen before. China’s demographic collapse is going to be worse than Europe during the black plague or China during the Great Chinese Famine or Germany after WWII. China is about to go into uncharted territory. We don’t know what things will be like on the other side because we’ve never seen it before and we have no model or system to deal with it. One thing is for certain though, China as we know it today under the CCP is going to go away.

As for the US, if it were to continue on it’s current demographic trends, it’ll reach China’s current demographic situation at some point in the second half of this century, that’s a lot of time to figure things out. At that point, other countries such as Russia, Germany, Japan, South Korea, Italy, Spain, as well as China would have been decades into their demographic collapses. That’s a lot valuable time to learn from what these countries went through and proceed with more knowledge captiously based on what minimized the damage and what didn’t.

apart from solar and batteries, they also seem to be doing quite well on wind and train infrastructure

Demographic collapses don’t happen overnight, they take decades to unfold. Demographers were able to predict China’s demographic collapse since they started seeing the demographic shifts that happened due to the implantation of the one child policy back in 1979. That’s why you’ve been hearing about it for so long and why you’ll continue to hear about it for years to come. As time marches on, those demographic collapse went from being predictions to becoming reality, and as time continues to pass, the current trends will continue to get worse and worse. The damage these demographic trends will inflect on the system will incrementally increase year by year until the system can’t support itself any longer.

The thing is that they can’t reverse the demographic situation. Even if China started forcing people to have kids or opened their borders to allow for millions of immigrants, it won’t mean anything. It’s already too late, the demographic collapse is going to happen no matter what the CCP does. Keep in mind, Japan is in the same position and they will face the same fate regardless. The only difference is that Japan is a wealthy country with a highly developed economy, so it can at least slow down the inevitable and buy itself some time. China unfortunately doesn’t have this luxury.

For the record, I don’t want China to collapse like this because the effects are going to be devastating. However, the numbers don’t lie and every metric is showing us that they are heading towards a collapse at full speed. The CCP can’t handle this, no government can in their position. There’s really nothing like what China is going through in history. The scale and speed at which this collapse is happening is unprecedented. It’ll most likely go down as the most defining event of the 21st century.

While that is true, I think it is important to note that as bad as our problems are, and some of them are pretty bad, that there are countries that have it way worse than us. China is one of those countries. Some of their problems are genuinely mind boggling. Imagine going through our current problems right now but with an irreversible demographic collapse. It’s nuts to think about.

Unfortunately Upvotes aren’t linked to the objective truthfulness of a statement. If they were, fake news wouldn’t be a thing.

Also, what is wrong about having an opinion based on a collection of shared articles. Sure they might be biased and some might even report more details than they have sources for but given enough randomly encountered articles some common truths can emerge.

Satire

It’s not feeling based, China is truly going through a devastating collapse that can’t reversed. Take their demographics as an example. Here are some interesting pieces of information about China’s demographics:

• There’s a gender imbalance of 110 males per 100 females, which is the highest in the world. That means there’s over 30 million males that don’t have a female counterpart.
• The population is expected to shrink down to 587 million by 2100 according to the Shanghai Academy of Social Sciences
• The country is going to have more retirees than workers at some point in the 2030s
• The fertility rate is less than 1.2, which is either the second or third lowest fertility rate of any non city state country in the world (sources differ slightly)
• The country’s fertility rate is one of the fastest shrinking in the world (regularly ranks among the 5 worst)
• China’s has one of the fastest aging populations in the world
• China is expected to have worse demographics than the US by 2035 in all metrics despite the US being a developed country and China is not
• China’s median age already surpasses that of the US
• Officially, the country has been shrinking since 2022
• According to Yi Fuxian, a demographer from the University of Wisconsin-Madison, the CCP has overcounted their population by an excess of at least 130 million people since the one child policy was implemented. This means that China’s demographic problems are worse than we thought and that China’s population probably peaked 10-15 years ago
• China is not a destination for immigration by any stretch, China currently has around 1.5 million immigrants and about half of those are from Macau, Hong Kong, or Taiwan.

How does a country recover from this? This is beyond devastating. In fact, it’s terminal. No amount of authoritarianism or nationalism or desperate wars or anything can save the country from what it’s going through. It’s too late to damage control and there’s really nothing to turn things around. The system is going to collapse, and we’re going to see China’s power and influence disappear from the world stage in the upcoming decades. China in it’s current form under the CCP is going away. Pay attention and take notes because we’re witnessing the greatest collapse in human history.

China isn’t exactly the place to look towards when it comes to public transit, there’s way better countries to be envious of when it comes to public transport. Their highspeed rail system by itself is around $900 BILLION in debt. It is so overly built that the maintenance costs and insufficient demand is coming to bite them in the ass. To put things in perspective, this figure is around 5% of China’s entire GDP and it is expected to grow as the years pass by. It’s generally normal for public transportation system to not be profitable and for the government to cover the gaps, but this? This is absolutely insane.

There’s stuff that we could learn from them as a country and vice versa, but this is definitely not one of those things.

NATO does.

I think China’s history is the best predictor of where China will go after this collapse. China’s history from the very beginning has been defined by cycles that alternate between a bunch of small warring states that constantly fight each other and giant tyrannical empires that unites them all. You could say the current China under the CCP is another iteration of those giant empires and that after the collapse, China will go back to it’s historical mean of being divided by a bunch of smaller states that fight amongst each other.

From which size is a country too big to operate as a single country? I think cultural identity is much more important than size, and the Chinese government has put a tremendous effort in culturally unifying the land with great success (and great cost; see Xinjiang, Tibet, Hong Kong, the relationship with Taiwan, loss of local languages and culture). I don’t see that disappearing anytime soon.

A civil war with a stalemate is of course possible (in fact it’s already the reality), but an USSR style collapse in many different countries is just not something I can see happen.

Things are going to get a lot more interesting from here on out. It’ll be a long time since the world is going to feel stable and boring. So buckle up, we’re in for a weird ride.

Perhaps the lesson that will come from all these demographic collapses will be that economic growth should be slow and steady. Countries that try to rush rising up the ranks of standards of living by doing whatever they can to generate economic growth regardless of consequences will end up trading their long term future for short term prosperity.

Actually Europe’s demographics are pretty bad too. They’re often overshadowed by China’s, but they’re still devastating in their own right. Most of Europe is already going through a demographic collapse right now, but they’re less dramatic in scale and speed than China’s. They’ll be more like Japan’s collapse, but with immigration… at least that’s the case for Western Europe. Eastern Europe (including Russia) is going through a Chinese-esque demographic collapse as we speak. Interestingly, the US has the healthiest demography out of the 3. It’s not great, but it’s still better than either Europe or China by quiet a bit. The most realistic scenario is that the US will remain the world’s leader in future, maybe to even greater degree than now. At least until other countries like India catch up.

Because it’s easier to call anything that disagrees with your world view as “lies” than to accept that the own world view is wrong.

Tankies are the masters of rejecting reality.

Can’t find this posted in !worldnews@lemmy.ml. Can you link to one?

Hey whoa, some low-level employee would go to jail too.

If you’ve tried Tsingtao beer, it’s just watered piss anyway.

There’s also no telling how “empty” this thing actually gets before they fill it back up. If they’re being this reckless, there’s no reason to think they’re fully draining the tanker.

No shit.

My question was an honest scaling law question. Of course this is bad. Which is what I said.

My question is how bad, which is a legitimate question, and is not in any way saying these are defensible actions. They are not.

If you fill a thimble with diesel, drain it, and then fill it with water, that’s gonna be super gross — the diesel will probably form a thin layer on the thimble which is then diluted with a thimble full of water. Super gross. But by the time you get to a fuel can, the thin layer of diesel on the can is now diluted by a can of water. Because surface area scale like length squared but volume like length cubed, this is a better situation (for a given amount of water). Now when this is scaled up further, the diesel gets increasingly diluted. This is the root of my question, it’s not saying that we should accept this or that it’s good, I’m just curious.

A simple, “your scaling argument doesn’t really apply since the amount of residue left behind scales with the volume, not area” would have sufficed.

Gasoline is a pretty powerful solvent; would residue left behind that doesn’t come off from gasoline be liberated by cooking oil? It’s an honest question.

And I sure hope the regulatory agencies and shipping companies in my country do a better job than in China. This sort of thing is terrifying; I’m just curious as to an emotionless analysis of how bad this likely is. What concentration of benzene is acceptable? “None” would be best but we already breathe it. Would contaminated cooking oil likely be equivalent to…inhaling once at a gas station? A wet martini with diesel instead of vermouth?

Nope.

I don’t even feel like I should tell you why you’re wrong, but here we go.

You assume that the fuel oil is more volatile then cooking temperatures, but what fuel oil? Diesel? Diesel has a boiling temperature between 160c and 360c(diesel varries because there are different compositions and blends). Deep fry is between 160c and 190c. That assumes we’re deep frying. Plenty of ways to use cooking oil without heating to those temperatures.

Also assumes that there’s nothing else in the fuel oil. Plenty of additives that might not boil off or if they do, be toxic if inhaled. I have of stories of transformer oil being used for deep frying.

Depends if it’s light distillate, or, like, coal tar.

Butane -> cooking oil without washing would be fine, by the standard of if I’d still use the oil. I’d be more worried about leaching from the metal or plastic of the tank.

Sorry, Meant as the do in China.