This is Alfred slander. He’s the only person on Earth who can slap sense into fucking Batman, not some old fuck who should have been in hospice care two years ago
He’s the only aged gentleman who will headbutt supes in the nose.
There is at least one timeline where Alfred has rocked Superman’s shit just for daring to show his face after a fight he had where he injured batman.
Absolutely! I’d take Alfred, if he were the option. At least he could string together a sentence that makes sense. So essentially, our choice is between the Joker and the Riddler.
Can the Democrats please stop tolerating everything? We haven’t even officially declared a candidate. Let’s take a good look at our options and stop forcing the country into another awful Sophie’s choice.
The options are the Joker and… uh, Thomas Wayne. Like, current day Thomas Wayne.
The fact the office of the president has to be likened to Alfred to make sense is quite underhanded and indicative of a greater issue.
And yet the most pressing issue right now is Alfred vs. Joker. It’s one or the other unless something drastic changes. So pick Alfred and then work on the next problem.
The ‘next’ problems are concurrent, unfortunately.
The GOP may very well wind up with a veto proof Congress at this rate and it will all be for nought.
First priority has to be shutting out the Joker, then Alfred will even help find the next Batman
The false dichotomy fallacy here is that we don’t have to choose either. There is still time to pick Robin. Younger; more charismatic; still moral.
show me robin.
Whitmer. Shapiro. Newsom, even.
Before anyone tries to claim polls show they wouldn’t do better than Biden against Trump let me remind people that this is without them having the endorsement of the dnc or the inevitable viral media attention they’d receive from endorsements from Obama or Biden himself. They’d surge overnight.
You know who isn’t surging? Biden. He’s been steadily declining in every single data-point, and the debate didn’t help.
So you know what 70% of voters have a problem with? How old the two current candidates are.
Give them what they want. Give Americans new exciting shit to vote for. This is the country that watches the Kardashians and American Idol for christ sake.
Maybe. On the other hand, changing out your candidate after one debate doesn’t inspire much confidence. And you lose the advantage a sitting president usually has in elections.
A new candidate might indeed do better, but the DNC is risk averse as hell. I don’t see them having the balls to make a move like this.
If it was about a poor debate performance akin to Obama vs Romney debate 1 I’d be inclined to agree.
The problem is this wasn’t really about the debate. It was about revealing to the country Biden’s clear senility problems, which at 81, won’t get better but certainly get worse.
And second to that: If Biden was 10 points ahead in the polls I’d also say okay maybe we just ride this out.
But he’s not. In fact relative to 2020 he’s been 10 pts behind pre-Debate. Losing in every battleground state as well.
To me I see the car crash happening up ahead and want to jump while we still have time.
Sadly I agree with your final comment. Today at Camp David was the day Biden could back out if his closest advisors and family pulled him aside. But they’re encouraging him to keep going.
You know what inspires even less confidence? Biden.
The track record of the Biden administration is solid. Why should that change?
Because Biden isn’t solid.
He could be a bowl of jelly and it wouldn’t make a difference. He’s just the head of the Executive branch, where his job is pretty much signing/vetoing bills, hiring cabinet members, and nominating judges (with advice from said cabinet members). The alternative is a Nazi supported by the lines of the swastika-waving Nazis seen in Florida.
Nope. That’s Denying the Correlative. In the general election, there are two choices of statistical significance, supporting the DNC candidate, or supporting the RNC candidate. The Right is consistent in voting and wins when there is lower turnout for the DNC candidate (they are a minority). Third parties are spoilers, generally bleeding votes from the DNC candidate, making it more likely that the RNC candidate wins.
The Democratic primary ended in early June. That was the time to get Robin in. Now, it’s too late for that and the choice is between Alfred, who should be retired, and the Joker, who should be retired and wants to replace democracy with a dictatorship, put anyone who was mean to him in prison, and expand ongoing genocides where he thinks that he can profit off of the real estate that used to belong to the murdered inhabitants.
Whoa, whoa, whoa… Who said anything about third-party?
The nominee isn’t official until the convention, which means we still have time. And I ask: what would happen between then and November should Biden suffer a fatal medical emergency or his condition get so worse it’s impossible to hide? Democrats would, of course, find a way to put someone else on the ticket.
So let’s not pretend it’s impossible or that the ship has sailed, for it has not.
If we actually grow a fucking backbone and realize that Biden:
- Is performing WORSE in EVERY WAY compared to his 2020 run (where he eeked by with 40,000 votes)
- Is performing WORSE than Hillary Clinton’s loss in 2016.
- 70% of the electorate BEFORE the catastrophic debate seen by 50 million people thought Biden was too old
- 64% of independents POST-debate say they want Biden replaced on the ballot.
… And let’s acknowledge that we need to take a chance at an open convention or face a guaranteed loss.
Whoa, whoa, whoa… Who said anything about third-party?
Oh thank fuck.
I thought Biden was too old and too right-wing in 2020.
… And let’s acknowledge that we need to take a chance at an open convention or face a guaranteed loss.
The only problems that I see with an open convention are candidate name recognition for those who pay no attention and the fact that GOP states have already been trying fuckery with the ballots.
You know the state ballot argument is a risk I hadn’t considered. I honestly don’t know enough to say how they could impact but it’s worth further consideration.
I think there would be a media frenzy if you saw a headline like, “BREAKING NEWS: PRESIDENT BIDEN RESIGNS; ENDORSES GRETCHEN WHITMER.” After which there would be viral social media and millions googling, “who is Whitmer?” Hopefully the conclusion they have is, “well she’s a fresh face and she’s younger than the other guy.”
I agree with you there. The ballots and irrational voters are still my greatest concern. There were attempts to block Biden from the ballot in swing states because of the DNC convention being later than the state deadline. Look to any avenue open to electoral fraud being taken advantage of.
I think the third party is a valid thing to keep in mind. The Republicans are a bit more “ends justify the means”, which translates to not letting themselves get distracted by “perfect is the enemy of the good”. So they might even prefer a third party, but they are less likely to because they tend to be a bit more coldly strategic in their voting.
With respect to they can ignore the results of the primary vote… but that’s exactly the sort of thing that people accussed them of when they put Hilary Clinton up as their candidate. So the right can tear into them for ‘coronating’ their candidate instead of doing an election.
While they can put up someone else, it would be a pretty desperate act, and it’s hard to know which bad option is the worst of the options.
Fair points but I don’t personally put much weight in the perception of what Republicans might say about a coronation for a couple reasons:
- All of us on the Democratic side just want Trump to lose.
- Anyone who voted for Joe Biden will vote for anyone under the Democratic ticket.
- Especially when Joe Biden, himself, endorses that candidate. It’s little different than letting Joe pick his own Vice President. It’s kind of like a transitive extension of one’s vote.
and it’s hard to know which bad option is the worst of the options.
And this is the thing that I’m 100% convinced of by this point, personally. I see not just little hope, but no hope for Biden winning at this stage. As I tried my best to convey, Biden is performing significantly worse compared to 2020 and even Hillary’s failed run. There’s kind of a diminishing-returns argument to be made at this point that the vast electorate knows both Trump and Biden through & through. There’s nothing new they’re going to realize that they don’t already know. So to move poll numbers now is next to impossible; and with that, the polls are going in the wrong direction for Biden, and the full effect of the debate hasn’t even set in.
So what does one do? Well between riding out the inevitable crash, I think we take the chance with another way. But we won’t do that by the looks of it. And I will bet large sums of money that Biden loses, unfortunately.
We absolutely cannot trust the DNC to not make the same mistake they made in 2016. But you are not wrong
…who you also went vote for because "both sides*.
And who is Robin in this example?
John Stewart
The same Jon Stewart who has repeatedly expressed a strong desire never to go into politics?
Yep sounds like Robin
Cool, so we’re just going to make believe.
I think you mean Nightwing.
Raven for President!
There is still time to pick Robin
LOL. Uh huh. Sure bud.
No, but you DO replace him.
Yup. But you deal with one problem at a time. Right now we have a real Joker problem with immediate and dire consequences.
Following your analogy to its logical conclusion, we’re about to send Alfred out to take care of this Joker problem. It seems like we should find a Batman instead, or at least a Robin, before Alfred gets his ass handed to him.
Bro have you seen Alfred fight?
The problem would not be Alfred losing, it would be stopping him from plugging the Joker like an out of charge phone because he has made very clear that he does not share Batman’s distaste for firearms.
This whole discussion is itself a metaphor, the people who are the most worried are the ones who understand the least about who they’re talking about.
Yeah, Alfred was also originally a fat amateur sleuth who wanted to figure out Batman’s secret identity, and was then retconned into Bruce/Batman’s confidant. He wasn’t even a father figure to Bruce until the '80s, and the, “Alfred is a secret badass,” thing is something they’ve been picking up and dropping since the 90s. This comment is actually a great metaphor for all of the political discussions on Lemmy; a guy who thinks he’s an expert even though his base of knowledge goes back less than 10 years.
“well akshualay that doesn’t count because 80s or something”
Isn’t that the exact same thing people say about why nothing Biden does that’s even remotely progressive deserves credit?
LOL, first comment: “Well, akshualay, if you read the comics, you’d know that the Joker would get wrecked by Alfred.”
Second comment: “This nerd is correcting me!”
Life comes at you fast, huh?
One problem at a time means dealing with what’s in front of us with the tools we have at hand. Perfect is the enemy of good/better
Also Alfred is a fucking Chad
No, the problem in front of us is that the only person standing between us American fascism just went on TV and made himself look old and senile. Ignoring that problem and plowing through with compromised candidate isn’t dealing with one problem at a time, it’s ignoring a problem and hoping it goes away.
You think that the actual fascist isn’t the bigger problem…odd.
Not what I said, but cool lie dude!
You had your chance at the primaries.
In fact there was a younger man,
Oh but no one liked his ideas.
So maybe age isn’t the real issue then.
Age isn’t the issue. Bidens age related decline is the issue. If Biden we’re still sharp and responsive it would be a different story but he’s neither.
The primarys are a Joke anyway. People like Gavin Newsom know better than to run or they’d risk the ire of those running the party.
Until we abolish the two party system our country is screwed anyway. Neither of the two parties would ever do that so it’s hopeless. Standing up for Joe at this point is just digging our countries own grave.
Joe is by far the least likely candidate to beat Trump despite the intense propaganda campaign being run right now. If Joe won’t be replaced then we’d better get used to seeing Trump in the news all day every day because that’s were we’re heading.
So you admit age argument has flaws but you’re still heavily leaning on the age thing as your only main theme. Your argument doesn’t compel me you actually are coherent enough to be making pot shots at anyone else’s coherency.
What are even talking about? I made my point clear that it’s not age alone that’s the issue but when there is age related cognitive decline then it becomes an issue. Do you really not see the difference? I had no problem with Bernie Sanders age because he was a sharp and effective leader who was able to effortlessly convey his thoughts and opinions. Biden is clearly confused and lost half the time. If you’re telling me that you honestly can’t see that then maybe it’s you who isnt coherent enough to matter.
Lots of people in any age group can be incoherent. Such as yourself.
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Hilarious
ROFL
It’s unfair to compare Trump to the Joker. The Joker is a strategic and tactical and logistical genius, he didn’t inherit his position from “Papa Clown Show” and pretend to be good at what he does.
Joker for president!
This was the first time in Batman history that The Joker got to be Gotham major?
It’s so genius, that made me believe it’s already happened before.
As far as I know it’s the first, but I’m not well-versed in the comics.
Man, season 4 did him dirty. There was so much they could do to exploit this arc of his and instead treated it like an old joke.
Who cares if they die day 1 in office? It’s about which party is in charge.
It’s about which person is not going to have and abuse his Presidential power.
Biden has been doing it too but yknow, abuse is cool when its blue.
Seems you clearly understood who I was talking about. The two are not the same, even remotely.
Trump wants power regardless of whether he wins the election or not, tried to take power when he lost, and many of his own cabinet appointees and his own vice president have come out against him. He spreads lies incessantly, sides with Putin in everyway and is denigrating to our intelligence agencies and military. Not to mention being a guy that brags about sexually assaulting women, talks about his own daughter sexually and was good friends with a known pedophile. He’s even said he wouldn’t release info on Epstein and those he associated with.
“I support abuse of presidential power when its blue”
Good for you, buddy
What power is Biden abusing exactly? And I’m a registered Republican btw, but not one that’ll support a fascist who has tried to dismantle our democracy.
That’s not a quote, you seem to be providing disinformation / lying / are incompetently insane. Which is it?
He’s saying we have to support Bidens abuse of power to protect us from Trump’s, so yes he is saying it. Abuse you support personally is still abuse.
Yes both are crooks, but one has performed far far more crimes than the other.
But okay, if > 1 is your threshold than by that measure they’re complete twins.
I’d rather Kamala be president than Trump, any day. Kamala isn’t a convicted felon.
Choice seems really easy, but so many people make life more complicated than it really is. I don’t get it anymore.
Because you keep presenting a false dichotomy and ignore the actual problem being discussed here.
The question is: do you want a senile person or a career prosecutor as a president?
Ok yeah, but that doesn’t mean we need to choose Alfred to do the actual fighting against the Joker. Instead, it’s perfectly OK to say “Hey Alfred, let Batman handle the Joker, you watch and provide advice if you’re needed.”
batman’s not running for president. time to face reality.
If you aren’t happy with the candidates: PAY ATTENTION DURING THE PRIMARIES. You can’t complain now which restaurant to eat at only when the food arrives at the table. You’re coming in way the fuck Too late now for this argument.
People were saying the same shit about Biden during the primaries, they were saying the same shit during the primaries of the last election. It doesn’t matter. the Dem leadership rig it to run whoever they want to run.
Didn’t Bernie run in the last primary?
For some reason, people are convinced that Bernie would have won if it wasn’t for the DNC putting a gun to the head of millions of Democratic voters and making them vote for Joe Biden instead.
I’m a Bernie voter. Biden was like, third to last pick for me, not exactly rooting for him. If people my age spent as much time and effort actually fucking voting like the suburban fucking soccer moms that shored up Biden’s support during the primary, we COULD have had Bernie.
2020 yes, 2024 no. Biden had small time candidates against him in the primaries (Dean Phillips, Marianne Williamson, RFK).
The consensus in the DNC was for no major candidates to challenge him as it may shake his standing. It’s tradition to not primary against an incumbent.
Ah yes, I had it in my head that they didn’t primary at all, as opposed to it being traditionally non-competitive. Thanks for the correction
“President Carter won’t debate me!!!” - Guess who
During the primaries, there was only one candidate! Joe! That was it!
Then run yourself. Stop complaining for someone else to do something. You’re just as ineffective as who you hate.
Wow guess who didnt pay attention to the primaries
Hey you’re only reach here is crying someone else to do a thing so you’d vote for them. Way to be ineffective to any of your problems.
Fair point. Since I am not part of the elite donor class, I am ineffective. Best I manage is a noncommittal form letter in response to mail and phone calls
The democratic primary was canceled in many states, they made it impossible for anyone to run a serious campaign. They wouldn’t even have the candidates for interviews on their networks, not even to maybe pressure Biden to stop leaning so far to the right.
Actually they did. You slept through it and watched the trial instead.
I wish I was this dumb. Maybe then I could believe in the fantasy of getting representation in exchange for my vote and/or taxation.
Or even “Hey Alfred, could you stop giving the Joker those bombs he’s using to kill children?”
Except the Dems convention hasn’t happened yet and there’s still plenty of time to hire Batman a great butler who’s still capable…
Joker only has a chance if we run Alfred and he loses. We don’t have to run Alfred.
So if you want to do everything you can to stop Joker, Alfred needs to step aside and endorse his replacement
Who is that going to be though? There’s no one. Traditionally it might be the current VP, but everyone hates Kamala because she’s shit. There is no one else, it’s Biden or my dumb ass cat, at least my cat will get the ‘cute and doesn’t shit in the plants’ vote. Unbelievably my cat would still lose to a rapist and felon.
Who is that going to be though?
I used to type a lot for these, but they constantly come up.
So at this point: AOC
That would be great, but she’s too divisive to win.
That’s what they said about Obama too…
But the first Black president got elected by flipping lots of red states even when his own party turned against him.
As already pointed out she’s not eligible, or maybe is, idk. She would be 35 by inauguration.
My ticket would be her, Bernie, and Ron Wyden somewhere in the mix so the u.s. could get some decent privacy laws.
or maybe is, idk
She literally is…
Like, it’s not an opinion thing, she’s literally old enough to be our next president…
Am I missing something?
| Born | October 13, 1989 (age 34)
be at least 35 years old
People have been bringing her up for years, but she is still not eligible. The president must be 35.
She was born in October.
You have to be 35 to assume office in January, not run for election.
She’s not 35 is she?
I believe she will be in time to take office, which is the requirement.
My dumb cat would work. As long as they don’t have a sex scandal and has some decent legislative record, they’d be fine.
“Reporting is now showing that Hello_theres’s cat is on camera taking multiple kickbacks from fishing industry insiders back in 1996”
Who is that going to be though? There’s no one
There’s currently no one because the DNC has forbidden all the ones. There’s at least a dozen Democrats who could jump in tomorrow and have better chances than Biden by the week after next.
everyone hates Kamala because she’s shit.
Not as much as they hate Biden now. Whether on purpose or not, they’ve been wise to mostly keep her in the shadows so everyone could forget how awful and fake she is and also to lessen the Biden stink on her.
it’s Biden or my dumb ass cat
I’d vote for your cat over Biden or the Mango Mussolini in a heartbeat. Not even joking.
She is shit because she was given the platform of VP with the sole job of developing name recognition as the next candidate, yet many of us have a worse opinion of her than we started with
I know VPs should generally be silently partners but this is the one time we needed one who succeeded at any initiative
Everyone I know who despises Kamala Harris is politically to the left of her
I don’t think it really matters why. People don’t like her.
Also, every Democrat, including Biden, seems to do the same against Trump based on polling. (I know polling is hard to trust, but we have no other way of measuring things at present.)
Why do people keep linking data for progress after last election?
Their founder openly said the point of his company was to come up with polls that make donors happy.
Then he got caught trying to use his polls to influence elections so his bets would win, and was trying to get employees involved in an illegal straw do or scheme.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_for_Progress
Seriously, because no one will answer after posting that poll:
Why would anyone use them for a source still?
Is it just one of the few things that make Biden seem like a good choice?
Seriously, because no one will answer after posting that poll:
Here’s me not answering:
Why would anyone use them for a source still?
Because I had never read that Wikipedia link.
Is it just one of the few things that make Biden seem like a good choice?
Nope. Biden is a bad choice, but he is likely to be the only choice regardless and if he is, he should be voted for because the other option is a dictatorship and a genocide of queer people.
Edit: Haha. They banned me on A Boring Dystopia for incivility after calling me a bully and deleting all my questions they refused to answer. Amazing.
See?
We opened a dialog and you realized the source your using is wildly unreliable and we shouldn’t care what they say.
We got there thru civility and logic.
Everyone wins.
but he is likely to be the only choice
He doesn’t have to be. Biden is the only choice the people he appointed to lead the DNC will let us have.
The party is a private organization and can do anything they want including disregarding an entire primary. The DNC literally argued this in court less than a decade ago, and the judge agreed.
You can say that the DNC won’t replace Biden because they’d rather risk trump than lose control of the party.
But you can’t just lie and say there’s nothing that can be done.
I was really amused how you banned me from A Boring Dystopia for “incivility” after I asked you yes or no questions and you called me a bully. It’s too bad it’s a permanent ban or I’d ask you to undo it and do it again tomorrow. I could use all the laughs I can get right now.
You very silly person.
She was involved in the slave trade known as the “justice system” and proud of it. She’s one of them.
Ah fuck, I thought I had escaped the Khive nonsense when I left Twitter and the DNC pushed her into the background 🤦
They be like: your options are a shit sandwich or getting shot in the head.
When all along your options are every other food too, they just removed them from the menu.
You still should pick the shit sandwich over the shot to the head, but you should as hell be mad at both the one who would pull the trigger and the ones who left you with a shit sandwich as the viable alternative.
Eat the sandwich, remove the trigger man then go after the restaurant owners.
Eating the shit sandwich will result in always getting a shit sandwich
2016: “Vote for the shit sandwich”
2020: “Vote for the shit sandwich”
2024: “Vote for the shit sandwich”
Can’t understand why the Democratic Party isn’t more popular.
The democratic choice in both 2016 and 2020 were actually good. Biden has been the most progressive president ever, as sad as that is.
Biden has been the most progressive president ever
Not even inside the top five, as sad as that is.
They knew in 2020 that Joe was slipping but instead of trying to solve the problem then they did nothing but cover up the obvious issues. To go with the metaphor, Alfred was a good man doing the right thing. The modern Democrat party has no Alfred. Instead they now seems to care more about their party’s own power over the actual good of the country. Very few people wanted Joe in 2020 but we were told we vote him in to save democracy and then run someone better in 2024. Now here we are going through the same loop. No, if the Democratic party refuses to run a candidate that the people want then we’ve already lost our democracy. Our two party only system is already a joke and it allows those in power to do whatever they want with the looming threat that the other team will destroy America. I’m sorry to say but the Joker is already in charge.
I disagree: The Democratic Party does not care about its power. In fact many of the still current leaders of the party actively believe in a strong Republican Party.
I am specifically quoting Biden with that.
“We need a Republican Party. We need an opposition that’s principled and strong.”
Yup, people so quickly forget that Biden and his campaign heavily implied that he planned on being a one term president. Somehow that whole thing came and went.
How people allow themselves to be gaslit like that over and over and just wipe it out of their memory is beyond me.
How people allow themselves to be gaslit like that over and over
Other guy is worse. Yes, it’s the same guy who has been running for president since 2016, but he’s worse so you have to vote for our guy no matter how awful he gets.
Trump’s going to run again in 2028 and you’re going to be expected to vote for the Democrat for this reason alone, again.
So, this happened in the comics and show, alfred got older and passed away, bruce wayne retired as batman, he managed the batcave, and a younger protege took up the batman mantle.
I dont know what this malarkey is about thinking someone cant be too old for a job.
It’s not about whether or not someone can be too old for a job. It’s about thinking that someone is too old for a job therefore justifies putting absolutely anyone, let alone a literal criminal in his place.
But no one here’s promoting Trump. I know youre seeing it as intrinsically Biden vs Trump, so detracting from Biden is the same as bolstering Trump. The goal is to beat Trump. The means to do that is everyone rallies behind one candidate. The problem is right now, Bidens not beating Trump, his age and health combined with the tragedy in Gaza is preventing too many people from rallying behind him. He has the most people rallying behind him of all current opponents to Trump, but not enough.
The timeline where we beat Trump is Biden withdraws from the race and endorses another candidate. Remove Biden as an option and everyone rallying behind him purely because he has the largest support against Trump is forced to shift to another candidate, and we can push for the people that werent rallying behind Biden due to age and Gaza to also rally behind the new candidate, and hopefully then have enough people rallying behind one candidate to beat Trump.
The meme is about Biden vs Trump. It’s not about people who just think Biden is too old and want to replace him. You’re arguing for a position that isn’t being attacked by the post.
It’s not about people who just think Biden is too old and want to replace him.
you dont replace him
Yes it specifically is
You don’t replace him with the Joker. You know, additional words have meaning. Now if your argument is that the Democrats need to find their own Joker, I guess then you’re being targeted by this meme.
The meme is about Biden vs Trump.
You dont even care what youre arguing about anymore
That’s what the primary was for.
we didnt really have one. several states, like mine, straight up did not have a single candidate other than Biden on the primary ballots, none of the candidates besides Biden were on a majority of states ballots
And I agree that that’s fucked - I didn’t want him either. But, that’s still where we are. It’s like when Gov. Newsom announced the deadline for public comments on PG&E, the day of. Not ok but the government and political systems are moving forward and it’s hop on the train or leave democracy behind.
It’s not fair. Neither is the world. It’s our job to try to make it more fair and just. That means acting strategically and supporting these that will cause less harm to vulnerable populations and provide opportunities for positive changes, rather than use government power to actively and intentionally make lives worse. Not the time for tantrums and letting perfect be the enemy of good (or at the least, not sinking into theofascism).
If you’re already making these comparisons, Biden has already lost. Get your guns, beans, and gasoline. Good luck.
Oh so no one was calling Biden senile and incompetent before…nope…just now… 🤡🤡🤡🤡
Biden wasn’t yet going on live TV and having the only comprehensible thing he said during the whole event be that he beat medicare.
Edit: downvote it all you want. This is the most important election I’ve lived to see, and the democrats have collectively decided that our best chance of winning and stopping a full tilt descent into open Christian fascism lies with a guy who would have been sent home from being a Wal-Mart greeter. I think that’s completely insane. We can and should do better than Ruth Bader Ginsburging the election.
Yes, there’s a legitimate chance that Trump could die or become disabled in any of the same ways Biden realistically could between now and November; stroke, heart attack, fall with various injuries, just whole ass failing to wake up, etc. BUT consider the outcome. If Trump dies, as-is, the GOP is left directionless and we probably get four more years of conservative Democrats. If Biden dies, as-is, best case is we get a Kamala Harris who has been wholly unprepared and wholly unprepared for by the DNC, and we more than likely end up with however long it takes for the Christian Fascist regime to spark a civil war or otherwise implode under its own stupid weight, probably a good deal longer than four years. And between the two of them, Biden seems a lot more frail, and I’m not just talking about the debate stage. Every appearance I’ve seen from Biden in the last four to six months, even in carefully managed campaign ads, he looks and sounds like hell, his speech is a lot more unclear and uneven than it used to be (I will fucking elbow drop you if you say it’s his stutter. Compare Biden now to Biden twelve or even four years ago), he walks with the kind of old man shuffle that suggests he should be using a walker for his own safety. I think that Biden is at very real risk of death or disability soon, he’s most likely too frail to get us across the finish line, and we’re stupidly gambling the entire future of the country and the people that live in it because the Democrats love their stupid hierarchies or whatever (it’s her turn!). I swear, if we descend into Christian fascism and the consequences thereof, I’m going to slap every person I meet from the DNC. I’m going to slap them until they’re as fucking cooked as our country is.
Well good luck to you, have fun, try not to nuke the rest of the world, and let’s hope the fascists don’t win.
I’m not American but what other option do they have? The democratic party is in a bad shape and “just make another party” isn’t viable.
Republicans and Democrats have guaranteed a third party can’t be viable.
That’s the problem. That’s been the problem. Personally I do like Biden and what he’s done but he’s clearly too old. Even back in November when they started more actively campaigning, it already seemed too late to find someone else. Now it’s 7 months later
The only other candidate that has successfully raised his stature is Newsom, but if the internet is representative, the entire middle of the country is reflexively anti-California (plus he was campaigning for 2028)
