According to legend, Alexander the Great came to visit the philosopher Diogenes of Sinope. Alexander wanted to fulfill a wish for Diogenes and asked him what he desired. As told by Diogenes Laërtius, Diogenes replied, “Stand out of my light.”
One day while he was eating a frugal dish of lentils, he was challenged by the philosopher Aristippus, who, for his part, led a golden life as he was one of the king’s courtiers. Aristippus scornfully told him: “See, if you learned to crawl before the king, you wouldn’t have to settle for rubbish like this vulgar dish of lentils!” Diogenes replied: “If you’d learned to make do with lentils, you wouldn’t have to crawl before the king!”
Big dick energy. Love this guy.
“Were I not Alexander, I would want to be Diogenes.”
Usually it’s translated as “step/stand out of my sun” (just in case someone is wondering which light is meant)
Diogenes was, by all accounts, a gross-ass motherfucker.
…but I like his revolutionary spirit.
He was a raving homeless man who frequently masturbated in public and antagonized anyone who would approach him. However, beyond all that he was one of the smartest people in the ancient world and lived life never comporimising his principles.
That’s not true. For a long time he owned a clay cup even though he didn’t need it
Mhmm. Gross.
He just had that Dog Philosopher in him.
No I think philosophy is cool actually
I’m being facetious with this, but what philosophers do you like?
Nietzsche is such a wonderful read, because he has the soul of a poet and doesn’t give a damn if he’s being consistent.
Kierkegaard is harder to parse, but very fascinating.
Marcus Aurelius legit just wants you to be a good human being.
Yamamato Tsunetomo wants you to kill people and don’t afraid of anything.
Musonius Rufus is remarkably modern in his thinking for someone of the first century AD.
Be the man Marcus Aurelius thinks you can be
Well I think Karl Marx agrees on some way. But when you are BFFs with Engels and enjoy Fox Hunts as a pass time, are you eating the rich or just saying everyone should eat like the rich?
Camus! Just enjoy everything! Rebel against meaning!
One that I really enjoyed during my pretentious phase was the father of modern philosophy himself, Immanuel Kant. He wrote a lot about ethics and aesthetics but the crux of his work boils down to the idea that space and time are just “forms of intuition” that structure our experience and are just appearances we can comprehend. The true nature of things as they are in themselves is unknowable to us.
As someone who has always considered themselves very rational and more of an agnostic than an atheist, his ideas really clicked with me.
But have you asked yourself why?
EXACTLY! You see my point!?
Yeah… something about the anecdotes told about Diogenes sounds off to me - you don’t see homeless people today live the charmed life they say Diogenes got to live.
I always say, eating the rich would be disgusting. My proposition is to ground them up and use them as fertiliser. Preferably we grind them alive.
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He was pretty cool with slavery though.
At least he was also captured and sold as a slave. Moreover, Dio Chrysostom chose him as his anti-slavery champion in Diogenes or On Servants.
Diogenes argues that it is better not to have slaves at all, observing that:
… nature has made each man a body that is sufficient for looking after himself. — Dio, Oration 10.10
Child of his time. A working society without slaves wasn’t imaginable.
Also slavery was typically
nowhere near asa different sort of brutal in that era. Still brutal and terrible, but not “working people to death and then shipping in more people to work to death” brutal.Edit: changed my wording because slavery has always been fucking horrible, e.g. eunuchs
Yeah, you got Sundays off and could keep property. Still not a good practice and I don’t agree that society wouldn’t have been able to function without it (maybe mining)
It’s not about if it would’ve been possible, it’s whether people could imagine that it’d be possible.
There’s also that another apocrypha of him and Plato. Plato once sarcastically claimed that men were “featherless bipeds”. Diogenes later showed up with a chicken, whose feathers had been plucked, “Here is Plato’s man!”
Eat them with all that well deserved spit on their faces?
Not to kink shame but that’s pretty unsanitary.
Kinky. Sanitary. Pick one.
This is back in a time where like 0.1% of the population was literate.
Behold, a man!
Did he mean Dionysus?
my boy