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Here are the things that get you banned:
-saying anything remotely iffy with a lemmygrad or hexbear account
-tankie behaviour
-nazi behaviour
-authoritarian behaviour
-genocide denial
-prejudice of any kind
-anything else that is clearly bad
Things that get your post/comment removed:
-AI generated content
-anything in the banlist
-posts that are so off topic that they don’t fit on 196 at all
-moldy memes (old memes, crusty memes, irrelevant memes. The type of things you’d see on your aunt’s Facebook page or Elon musk’s Twitter account with a laughing emoji as the caption)
-corpoposting
Ban length varies, and is mostly based off of whether or not I think you will change your behavior. I have baned certain people for upwards of 2000 days.
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NSFW Content is now fully permitted BUT it must be tagged. Any NSFW content that has not been tagged and blurred will be removed. Content warnings should also be added to the title in brackets. Example: [penis] or: [explicit description of sex].
Non-sexualized breasts of any gender are not considered inappropriate and therefore do not need to be blurred/tagged. Yes, even female breasts.
IRL GORE IS NOT PERMITTED UNDER ANY CONDITION.
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JAN 2024 UPDATE: MOLDY MONDAYS
Monday is now moldy Monday. on this day and only this day moldy memes are not only allowed, but encouraged. The crustier the better. The type of thing that’s been reposted at least 2,000 times with filters and bad crops and watermarks and hopefully minions. please caption with moldy rule
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saying anything remotely iffy with a lemmygrad account
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Unfathomably based
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You deleted your comment, but I can still answer. Basically, both home servers tend to revolve around alt-left fascism, so we’re extremely wary of what these users have to say.
I’m a bit dumb when it comes to politics, what is alt-left fascism?
“why do you want communism?”
“because I want to tell people I disagree with to shut up, at gunpoint. also I love uniforms and the general aesthetics of the USSR. also some economist from 200 years ago said it’s what’s next, so we gotta”
so not to do with any actual communism, egalitarianism, etc, or any actual left stuff, or people not dying on the streets anymore, or liberation of thd human spirit; just red star brand reactionary bullshit. I prefer their yeast.
And if you question them, they’ll whine that you haven’t read their list of a dozen, esoteric books, so clearly you don’t know anything.
But if you ask them to make a coherent point from one of those books, they can’t. Apparently the only way to understand their concept is to read a million words on it.
In reality it’s just anti-West, pro Russia and China.
As someone who used to be in those circles, it wasn’t always like that but quickly devolved into it. And I went along with it not even really because I believed everything that was there but because that was where all my friends were, and I tried questioning some of the principles but was then met with cold responses like “why are you questioning us?” And so I kind of just went along with everything. It took me a long time to get de-radicalized, but it’s something to keep in mind that a lot of what keeps communities bound like that has nothing to do with the politics and everything to do with maintaining social connections. Which isn’t to excuse any of it, but just provide a succinct explanation for how and why they proliferate.
I should actually be using the term “far left”, as after research, as far as I can tell “alt left” is a term used by alt rights (i.e. neo Nazis, white supremacists and the likes) as a knee jerk reaction to whoever calls them alt right. My bad on that.
Examples of far left governments are China and the USSR, with policies that concentrate power at the government and makes it difficult for people to hold power and have a voice.
As for fascism, it was historically considered inherent to far right governments, but some argue that far left governments that fit most of the characteristics of fascism should also be described as such, hence far left fascism, but it could also be described as far left authoritarianism.
I wouldn’t call those far left at all personally. authoritarianism and fascism are blanketly not leftist systems of government
The concept of a tankie is a person with the cognitive dissonance necessary to both have majority leftist ideology yet still believe in and support authoritarian governments
In my country, we simply call them “authoritarian communists” or, still today, “stals”, for “stalinists”.
Right, my above comment was a bit disjointed. The vocabulary gets a bit vague when it comes to putting a political spectrum on a 1D axis.
My concern with my comment is that I wouldn’t know where to put, e.g., the Chinese government on the political axis. It’s both communist-like yet authoritarian.
haha You’re all right. I think something like the Chinese government is definitely one of the more difficult ones. It has its roots in communism, but at this point it’s very much a capitalist autocracy with high social investment and surveillance. authoritarian for aure
China is right wing. In the extreme. They have centralized authority with strong top-down hierarchies. There is nothing leftist about them in the least.
in fact, left stand for equality and right stand for liberty. That’s all.
This makes no sense. Those are the same thing. You do not have one without the other. The right is about neither. The right is purely “do what we say”. Nothing more and nothing less.
nobody would call them far left. it’s not particularly far left. its authoritarian, even the political compass has more nuance here, cmon man.
I’ve seem many people from Europe refer to communist parties and Russia as far left because they do embody certain socialist ideas that are leftist but take it well beyond the point of being a good thing, so in this regard yes they are far left. Thing is you absolutely can go way too far with any philosophy. I do agree that what they did with the political compass is good though because it reflects the actual nature of being an extremist socially while also representing the economic value, though in these situations they are still very far to the left of countries with economies that aren’t exclusively controlled by state (North Korea is a great example).
There is no such thing. It’s just fascism. That they try to call themselves leftist makes no difference to the objective facts or fundamental definitions of the political spectrum.
It’s like when rightists try to claim they are all about freedom, while advocating for fascist policies. If you advocate for fascist policies, you are right wing and a fascist. The labels you are attempting to appropriate are inconsequential.
how tankies are still surprised that fascist apologia gets them banned in an antifascist community is beyond me
Why are they even allowed to federate here
The main dev of lemmy is one of them, that’s how.
this instance isn’t associated with the devs
Other than being hosted at the same ip as lemmy.ml
This instance is blahaj.zone, hosted by the folks at blahaj.zone?
Blahaj.zone isn’t run by the Devs of Lemmy, they could easily block both Lemmygrad and lemmy.ml if they wanted. They just choose not to for some reason.
I mean, it says in the post, they’re allowd to federate but are “on probation”
Probably because banning people based purely on political ideology is kind of facist 😝
Reminds me exactly on the wise words of Sir Karl Popper about the ‘paradox of tolerance’:
“Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.—In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be most unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force;”
Seems like a scarecrow argument to me.
Not very based.
That’s Popper’s and Milt.Friedman’s way of laundering fascism as a legitimate ideology, a useful tool for capitalist domination and anti-communism.
Can you expand on what you were saying here? Are you saying the paradox of tolerance is itself promoting fascist ideology? Can you please explain?
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Being against humans can’t possibly be a human ideology, so fascists don’'t count under this protectionist umbrella, I hope.
why does this comment dance between ultra-naive to ultra-troll in my mind?
Literally
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they did it they kicked the tankies out of 196
Literally 196
What is a tankie
An authoritarian communist that is supportive of Russia, China or other repressive eegimes.
TFW the other leftists wont let you try to subvert the movement into “the people’s fascism”
they are ruining leftist unity
Nah nah you gotta REDEFINE fascism to be anything that even remotely criticises Russia 😎
Based rules :3
Welcome to the mod team!
wow it’s that easy?
Based rules :3
Lol no I know kiwi personally. In order to appoint someone to be a mod, they need to have commented somewhere in the community.
hehe I know that, I am just being silly <33
Have a nice day! UwU positivityyyyy
Nuh huh. You made it a rule and now must abide by it
Based rule! 😉
You seem familiar, were you active on reddit in the past? Could just be a common name. Recently switched over to Lemmy
I was, but under a different name
It’s possible to do it using API requests, just a bit more difficult, Browser Dev Tools can do it though (at least I’ve heard).
I’m here because fuck u/spez
I will upvote literally anything that has “fuck” and “spez” in the same sentence.
Spez is so hot, I want to fuck him.
Idk, you’re probably too old for him.
The guy is a cryptobro so it checks out
Upvoted but 🤨📸
Edit: do you have a thing for idiots in power? I have some suggestions for you…
No, not at all. Just wanted to test your conviction.
Easy money
Because of the Reddit migration, 196 is coming up in my Lemmy feed a lot, I have no idea what it is (because you haven’t made a description).
This could be your chance to gain more community members if you update your description
Well sort of the point of 196 is that you can post almost anything, the only rule is that you have to post each time before leaving. This rule isn’t enforced for obvious reasons, unlike the ban against tankies.
before leaving as in before switching to another community while browsing? or as in when you unsubscribe? and what if I never leave
What do you mean “before leaving”?
I have no idea, I think it means whatever you want it to mean. Usually folks interpret it as visiting the sub and then going to a different one but you could also interpret it as leaving permanently, like I said it isn’t actually enforced. It’s just meant to encourage lots of irreverent posting.
Ok thank you! Cleared it up a bit
Can you please ban me for 5 days so that I know what it looks like on this platform?
I’ll ban you for one day because you didn’t do anything against the rules
It was fine. Thanks.
No problem
can you ban me for 10 minutes?
Permaban this fool 😈
Common moss w
mossy cobblestone?
Unfathomably based
I was wondering when someone would start discriminating based on what instance you made your account on…
You can use 196 on a lemmygrad account, but because it’s by definition a tankie Lemmy site, you’re basically on probation.
Rude ;)
Lol you get it :D 👍
I mean I don’t really see myself as a tankie, I did get temporarily banned from lemmygrad for saying that ACAB means all cops, so there’s that I suppose.
That’s hilarious
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@Shinhoshi @moss Defending the use of force against civilians expressing disagreement over their government’s decisions peacefully?
That’s anticommunist. Do they support that?
@bloubz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie basically the origins of the term is from those who supported Stalinist military incursions into Czechoslovakia and Hungary to oppose anti-Soviet-government agitation.
So basically tankie == authoritarian marxist-leninist. The red-brown alliance kind of folks.
Now this is a wider issue, the Red Army did liberate the largest part of Europe from Nazi rule, the US basically tried to liberate France but the Red Army was in Germany before the US crossed the border. In Yalta the three, US/UK/USSR divided the pie, Spain and Greece went on the other half and remained fascist till the 70s (meaning anticapitalists were executed, prisoned, exiled, etc). Yugoslavia went its own way. The US UK handed Hung/CZ over to them, but unlike other places the USSR had to use force to take over what was given to them in the pe cutting.
This is not defense of tankie-ism it is pretty much what happened. Now between 90 and 2024 the 90/1 agreement was no Nato expansion beyond its current borders, and that was severely violated by NATO, to the last ring around the chain being Ukr and Belarus. So the not so red not so hot army anymore had to either react or accept total defeat and submission to NATO. There was no alternative for Russia other than to turn history back which in 30y proved impossible.
I am not passing judgement on which dictator is better, I hate Biden as much as the next guy, but the narrative of recent history appears to have left out all petitions to the UN filed by Russia for the violation of the agreement. The UN’s excuse, NATO is not a UN member, and you can’t blame any particular state member of NATO for what NATO does. Unfortunately a state (Russia) which wasn’t part of the Yalta agreement the SU was, signed an agreement with NATO, not with any particular country. They should have had a better lawyer and not a drunk for a president.
So Russia will evolve to yet another oil-rich country that is blockaded and cut-off from world markets like Iran and Venezuela. Unlike Iranians and Venzuelans Russians get really nasty when they get pissed, hungry, or out of vodka. So this is not going to go well too far too long. We shall see. Oil production and distribution, held by a handful of US based multinationals, will increase their profits in a further restricted oil market. So Iran, Russia, and Venezuela’s isolation does serve a profitable industry’s interests.
And nothing else you said about this supposed memory hole of UN claims makes sense.
“The UN’s excuse, NATO is not a UN member”
Wouldn’t Russia, a permanent member of the UNSC since its inception, know how the UN works and that NATO is not a UN member?
“a state (Russia) which wasn’t part of the Yalta agreement the SU”
Didn’t Russia inherit all treaty agreements of the USSR? I’m pretty sure they did.
The problem isn’t the UN covering up petitions, the problem is the agreement never existed.
Regarding the “90/1 agreement”… maybe not.
Was there a signed treaty to that effect?
https://direct.mit.edu/isec/article/40/4/7/12126/Deal-or-No-Deal-The-End-of-the-Cold-War-and-the-U
Even if we accept that such a deal existed, in what way would invading legally neutral countries (uh, again) be an appropriate response to its violation? State aren’t forced to join NATO, in fact, it’s pretty difficult unless NATO wants you in.
So Russia should have instead invited countries to join CSTO to offset NATO.
Unfortunately Russia can’t compete, so it has to use force.
Anything left of Joe Biden
I might be lost, but what does 196 mean?
Ah yes, some good news today as well
Happy to see this community is starting off on the right foot
I’ve got a slight suggested edit
Basically the first item to get banned adding Hexbear to the list with Lemmygrad
I’ve been seeing a huge influx of tankie takes from hexbear accounts all over (and here) since they federated
My team is on it, and I will personally pitch in in dealing with it once auditions are over for the thing I’m working on
Thank you and I’m happy to hear it
Based, thanks moss
communism good; capitalism bad; is that iffy?
None of us have any issue with communists
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Thinking communism is a good system and sucking of dictators is a bit of a difference isn’t it lol.
I literally today saw a post celebrating and congratulating Xi for being a leader for so long, you know, while forcing that no one else could take power.
Also associating communism with authoritarianism is very saying.
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Communism has never been implemented. We had “really existing socialism” which then drifted off into state-capitalist tyranny, capitalist tyranny, or straight tyranny. Cuba and Vietnam fare better, they’re drifting towards democratic socialism.
No, i don’t consider it succeeding if there’s a dictator in power. Is that a hot take? Again, I’m fairly anti-capitalist too. I am also anti-authoritarian, and thus also against dictators. Hence i do not consider Xi’s CCP
Successful.Edit: what barsoap said is also true. China utilizes a capitalist system as economy. Do you really think those factory workers own their factory themselves? If so, how are there so many Chinese billionaires? Billionaires shouldn’t exist in a communist society.
MLs be like “the state will wither away bro, I swear it will work this time” and then create an authoritarian nightmare society again.
Although at least you’re not getting anywhere with your stupid military fetishism, because you cannot topple an existing power through force of arms unless the state military is in tatters, and with the threat of nuclear war preventing any kind of large-scale engagement between major powers, good luck waiting for an opportunity.
The only way to topple a major developed government now is through the Union of Unions, striking with enough of the population to break the economy in half, and bring the establishment to the bargaining table with two options: give us what we want, worker democracy, or we take away your access to food, water and power. And if that worked, and then you authoritarian fuckers tried to pull your usual shit on us in the aftermath, we’d just strike again until it was your turn to choose between worker democracy or dying of thirst with no food and no power to make your demise any more comfortable.
Go and start, or join, a fucking union, and try to make things marginally better for your fellow workers, instead of doing nothing but sucking Stalin’s necrotised dick over the internet.
Go and start, or join, a fucking union, and try to make things marginally better for your fellow workers, instead of doing nothing but sucking Stalin’s necrotised dick over the internet.
I just need you to know this made me let out the loudest damned snort. Perfect description, 10/10 no notes.
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We have issues w/ tankies, we’re fine with communists
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A Tankie is anyone who’s an apologist for the Chinese, soviet, North Korean, or other more minor fascist/opressive States. The are the Communists who yearn to lick the boot of Big brother, rather than truly empower the people
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Those states were state capitalism under authoritarianism. But I think a small portion of people on these communist actually support what has been done under these regimes but rather want to support communism where some chance had been given (by Lenin at early years for example)
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Okay I’m banning you now
