Jeazus! Is that a gumdrop iMac?!
No it’s Satan
Companies writing code be like: my source code
Companies using libraries be like: our source code
shoutout to the person who reported this post with “Reason: Bot meme, you can’t even read it. whoever replies is a bot too” 😂
Lmfao
Text is unreadable though
I’m blaming imgflip, not my incredible laziness
i guess maybe if you’re using a device with a tiny screen and a lemmy client that doesn’t let you zoom in on images
beep beep boop
FTFY
What’s funny is they could have made an actually funny joke about marxists.
Beep boop, comrade.
-pinko bot probably
Nice
I am a meat popsicle.
Negative!
Lemmy’s biggest mistake was not calling federations “communes” or “syndicates”
Well, who said the c in c/something is NOT commune? ;-)
Hmm. Self-organizing projects whose workers work on them entirely based on their need to be done, and the results freely distributed to anyone who wants a copy?
Literal fascism, obviously.
Things like FOSS stuff makes you think people can organize and work together freely to achieve a common goal, and maybe anarchy could work. But then, you see a busy intersection when the traffic lights go out and you realize the general public are idiots and everything devolves into selfish chaos as you’re stuck a half mile back, as cars shoot through in no particular order and you inch closer to the madness terrified to make your left turn. I have zero trust in society without some form of rule and order.
Think about a roundabout though in comparison, no lights or specific order, and there is a learning curve, but overall they reduce traffic better then stoplights under many conditions.
I guess my point is sort of extrapolating that a structure/presentation also heavily influences how users perceive or use a product/idea
Decentralization doesn’t necessarily mean disorganization. You can create a Lemmy instance with no moderation and rely purely on the community itself to self moderate, much like someone can create an instance with rules, and if someone disagrees with the rules they can create their own. Both are part of a decentralized system, so no one is actually coerced into participating in any system by regulation, just social pressure.
Anarchism isn’t zero organization. It’s organization for legitimate and accountable purposes.
That’s a pretty weak definition. “Legitimate” especially is a vacuous term, and every form of democracy ever proposed is (theoretically) “accountable”.
Sure, but is that how we talk about our institutions? Things I hear that buck anarchism while supporting American democracy:
- The Constitution should be interpreted with “originalism” or at the very least venerated
- Police sacrifice X, therefore it’s okay if they do extralegal Y
I’m not saying there aren’t systems of accountability that legitimize various institutions. It’s that the stories we tell to legitimize an institution comes in many different flavors, and those based on authority from power/position (ie “our founding fathers were smart people”) are not accepted by anarchists. Edit: Imagine how different our legal framework would be if it reflected that mentality?
I think I almost understand what you’re getting at. If I do, it’s uncodifiable. You can’t draft an organisational system with a clause that no one is allowed to use logical fallacies to defend it.
If I do, it’s uncodifiable
Things can still be codified and justified without an appeal to power. Lots of software is written that way today.
a clause that no one is allowed to use logical fallacies to defend it.
I don’t understand why that would be a necessity or desired.
I find it a bit ironic that cars and traffic lights are being used as a metaphor for why anarchy won’t work. Let’s put aside that the example is of poor collective planning to build urban environments. Go to Vietnam and see how people drive without traffic lights, it’s complete madness. But it works, and in some ways it works better than what we have because the accidents are fewer and less severe while also serving more diverse modes of traffic.
The same is true when attempting to merge in the US. See Japan traffic as a counter argument.
whose workers work on them entirely based on their need to be done
You mean there’s projects out there where it’s not a bunch of individual devs all working on their personal pet features and ignoring all else?
Can’t tell if this is a joke of some kind
I think it is not. Certainly most projects aren’t solely personal utilities, but devs working for fun rather than profit will almost inevitably produce something skewed towards their own tastes and skills. See: the presentation of any FOSS graphical app vs a paid equivalent.
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programming.dev does not get it. Can you explain?
It is kinda obvious that maxist ideas are aligned with the open source ideas. Are they very much against commies?
There’s some weird witch hunt going on against Dessalines on there. I don’t agree with him on everything, but them trying to hound him out for being a communist, whilst using software he made because he’s a communist is kinda funny.
Him being communist isn’t the problem, throwing his weight around unnecessarily is what is upsetting people. And he just keeps doing it. Like he just gets in a mood and decides to ban a bunch of people for fake violations they didn’t actually do. It’s all logged and people with high enough status can see the logs. He goes on tirades.
Aren’t the logs accessible to everyone? https://discuss.tchncs.de/modlog
At his level of power, he can apparently make some changes and then delete the log of them. Only other server admins can see it then. But I’m getting this second hand from other server admins, haven’t seen it myself.
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Dunno about best, but This is the most recent one, I think
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I always saw open source as more socialist than specifically communist. Similar to volunteering in your community. Except the community is the whole world, and you don’t need to leave your house. Bonus!
To be honest I’d say it’s more similar to anarchism than socialism. Anarchism is voluntarist whilst socialism demands state power first. Both are ideally paths to communism* though so I’m going to say “communism” 'cause it annoys the most people.
communism as in post capitalist, post state utopia, not Stalinism*
Not exactly. This started yesterday, when a user accused mods on .ml of, “tankie censorship,” (meaning censorship by tankies, not of tankies). He also came with some pretty good receipts that appear to show .ml mods removing criticism of China that, whether you agree with it or not, didn’t seem to violate any rules, and was well within the bounds of what most people would consider civil discourse. He also claims to have received bans from all of the .ml communities he’d ever participated in for pointing this bias out. It’s possible he’s presenting all of this with his own slant, but what he showed seems legit, and I’m not sure he could have provided more evidence without encouraging brigading.
This is now starting to snowball, with users starting to call for defederating from .ml. One .world user also posted on .cafe about Dessalines previous tankie comments, while another user has posted about finding replacements for the largest .ml communities.
So, saying what’s happing on .world is anti-communist isn’t accurate, as most the criticism has been anti-tankie. However, .world has a much higher level of liberals than most of Lemmy (they created a little echo chamber for themselves on Political Memes), and most of them are incapable or unwilling to understand the difference between a tankies and communists (or tankies and leftists…or tankies and criticism of Biden…). So, it will probably only be a matter of time before this group tries to blur the line between valid criticism of baised moderation from authoritarian apologists to general criticism of leftists.
So, tl;dr: .world isn’t broadly anti-communist, but a large portion of the community is upset about what appears to be biased moderation from tankie .ml mods, and there is a small contingent of .world liberals who I’m sure will take this opportunity to bash anyone to their left.
The problem with this is that “Tankie” is a sliding target, including all Marxists. If you claim to only have a problem with Tankies, not all Marxists, but do your best to attack the majority of Marxists, does that mean the majority of Marxists are Tankies, or that .world has become an anticommunist instance?
I’d say this will only end up creating a multipolar Lemmy. Dessalines has already stated that .ml will not be the first to defed, as they believe in an interconnected Lemmy. However, the target boogyman for .worlders has shifted from Grad, to Hexbear, to now .ml. After .world finally defeds from .ml, will they shift towards db0? Lemm.ee, perhaps? Who knows.
This isn’t the first time this has happened, haha.
Honestly i wouldn’t mind. Users on .world that don’t want a butt load of defederations will probably (and hopefully) move to another instance, whilst the rest of lemmy will be free from all the liberals uncapable of discriminating between communists and tankies
And .world would be free of all the communists incapable of discriminating between communists and tankies. Everyone wins.
Tankie used to have a specific and clear meaning
But then people not in the know learned the word without caring what it meant
So now it just means “guy that I think is an asshole (leftist beliefs optional but expected)”
I really only started to see the meaning of tankie start sliding once I got to Lemmy, and it goes in two directions; tankies who swear they aren’t tankies, they just have a lot of feelings about why the Uyghurs aren’t being mistreated, and liberals who literally think tankie is a synonym for leftist. (Seriously, if Lemmy has one unforgivable sin, it’s introducing the, “but her emails,” crowd to the word tankie.) Personally, I don’t care if I get tankies in my feed, but I’m not OK with instances that censor opinions they don’t like (I mean, assuming they’re not bigoted). Those mod logs are pretty damning, I’d like to hear from the .ml mods why they felt those weren’t legitimate discourse.
Honestly, my real takeaway from this whole mess is that it’s really dispelled the myth of federation as a silver bullet for all of social media’s ills. Federation was sold to me as a solution to overly-large internet communities, since federation would stop single communities from becoming too powerful, and communities could simply be defederated if they didn’t get along. Meanwhile, .world is whining that .ml’s communities are too large and important to lose, while .ml is bitching that .world defederating would be egregious and unreasonable. The whole thing feels more like a flame war between some large subreddits than the glorious online utopia that I was told federation would bring us. Actually, it feels a lot like the schism that started when r/antiwork fell apart.
I don’t think .ml is whining about .world defeding, more like thinking it would be goofy, but expecting it.
I really only started to see the meaning of tankie start sliding once I got to Lemmy, and it goes in two directions; tankies who swear they aren’t tankies, they just have a lot of feelings about why the Uyghurs aren’t being mistreated, and liberals who literally think tankie is a synonym for leftist.
This was already happening in Reddit roughly 2 years ago.
Wasn’t it .world that defed from db0 already (but later added it back) because of the piracy support? Or maybe that was .ee? When that happened I moved from that instance to here.
I love being able to block individual people. I’ve seen much less “pro-Biden a vote not for Biden is a vote for Trump” political compass meme shit lately because of that.
time to block me because not voting for biden increases the ods of trump getting in office
You support a candidate that is supporting a genocidal regime. You support genocide.
Wish granted!
Do you think trump is going to accept being declared the loser this time?
Last time some people tried to reverse the election results.
This time they’ve got a plan to harness the administrative states power once they get the presidency. Do you think there hasn’t been an equal amount of planning what to do to stop the steal a second time?
You better block me as well. I don’t know why we should help support Bibi’s favorite candidate by doing exactly what Repubs want and voting for someone who barely broke 1% of the popular vote. I guess people really want more far-right theocratic judges who are blatantly unqualified and corrupt?
I’ll bite. The democrats aren’t listening to us, we have two options: not support them in the election or (it was surprising to see this one end up in the news recently) an appeal to heaven.
If you think trump is too much of a threat, that the president we already had will destroy democracy and there won’t be a 2028 election, that the most important thing is to keep out a candidate who didn’t accept it the last time he was declared the loser of an election and has had four years to prepare for this one as evidenced by project 2024, stop trying to get people to vote for the democrats and start stockpiling ammunition and training to oppose trump supporters in the streets instead.
SCOTUS is right now still somehow deliberating on whether a president is allowed to Night of the Long Knives or not. SCOTUS is already taking away rights from my friends and neighbors. You may be privileged enough to pretend it won’t affect you, I guess.
You think you aren’t being heard now, it isn’t going to improve under a fascist regime that ends voting with their Project 2025 shit. Have you not been paying attention to how Repubs have dealt with protesters? Yeah, becoming an armed insurgent would be the only option for change remaining once it gets to that point.
That’s cool, though, you do you.
Wait, the unelected branches of government are restricting rights of minorities and giving power to the executive branch now but we won’t have fascism to fight against until this one guy wins an election?
What happened last time he wasn’t declared the winner of an election? What makes you think that wouldn’t be a concern this time around? How do you square that with the degree of preparation that went into project 2025?
Let me make my thesis crystal clear: if you believe that trump will usher in American fascism and you recognize that he won’t accept the results of the election, you don’t need to get people to vote for Biden to make sure the results of the election aren’t in favor of trump, you need to prepare to physically confront trump supporters in the streets with guns and training to prevent a for real this time coup.
I’m not saying that to get you to go out and buy an ar-15 and a plate carrier (although you should, theyre not getting any cheaper), but to get you to recognize the absurdity of holding all those beliefs together.
Your Savior, Genocide Joe, had the ability to put more people in the Supreme Court but he didn’t. Stop with the bullshit.
You support genocide.
Wish granted.
Thought you were blocking us? Keep helping Bibi’s preferred candidate, great work. When the killing accelerates even faster you can pat yourself on the back.
there is a small contingent of .world liberals who I’m sure will take this opportunity to bash anyone to their left.
They are very active though, and they don’t lose their chance to mention and antagonize .ml, which I think is kind of shitty. It happens even in threads where people are commenting about stuff unrelated to politics. lemmy.world is constantly looking for targets to defederate from.
edit: I’d like to mention that I’m not disagreeing with you, I’m just giving my perspective on it.
Oh, yeah, they’re a very loud, obnoxious little group, and removing users that are only interested in picking fights is perfectly valid. But the screenshots from the original post really only seemed to be talking about China’s censorship of Tiananmen Square, and while it’s impossible to say without of context, their tone really didn’t seem to be combative. They just seemed to be expressing opinions about China that didn’t align with the .ml mods’ beliefs, and that’s troubling.
What’s more, Dessalines gave a response that’s kinda telling about all this. A user called .ml out on censorship (in a very respectful tone), and Dessalines basically replied saying asking questions is OK when it’s done in good faith, but a lot of people only ask them to start fights. When the user replied that he was actually talking about people being censored for expressing opinions in good faith that run counter to .ml mods beliefs, Dessalines chose not to reply.
I really seems like .ml wants to remove opinions that run contrary to the mods beliefs about communism. If that is the case, fair enough, but then maybe it does make sense for instances that don’t moderate that way to defederate. I don’t want to worry about policing myself on a bunch of the communities in my feed because I might get banned for my opinion on a news story.
Maybe these fears are unfounded, and this whole thing is being blown out of proportion, but none of the .ml mods have addressed the original post yet. Dessalines has left several comments on the Ask Lemmy post Are You a Tankie, but he’s chosen not to reply to the censorship claim. Given the silence, I have to assume the worst.
.world is basically Reddit 2, but filled with the most radical liberals that specifically want to not be exposed to leftist instances, even db0 has a tenuous relation with them.
.world is constantly on anticommunist witch hunts, and now that Lemmygrad and Hexbear are not visible to them thanks to defederation, .ml is the last large Marxist-aligned instance they can see, so it’s the new boogeyman.
One of them tried to tell me Lemmy is Capitalist because posting is value, lmao
Posting is labor 🫡
Smh Dessalines is taking my labor power
… what does that even mean …
Which part? Posting being value? They tried to use Marx’ Labor Theory of Value to say that because admins aren’t decided democratically, and posting is labor and therefore creates Value, Lemmy is Capitalist.
This is, in fact, ridiculous, because Lemmy has a Use-Value but no Exchange-Value. Posting isn’t labor, and anyone can fork it.
Are they very much against commies?
We’re not, OP is just butthurt about Their Guy™ getting publicly dunked on for tankie branded censorship
Cool, then unblock Hexbear and Lemmygrad.
You can’t have it both ways, either you’re against Communism or you aren’t, and blocking every overtly Communist instance makes it obvious.
There’s nothing wrong with running things how you want to, but please keep a consistent line or this drama will just move on to a new target, like dbzer0 after .world finally commits to defederating.
That’s bullshit; being communist isn’t a free pass to be antisocial. History has an example of literal pedophiles organizing under the banner of communism: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alliance_90/The_Greens#:~:text=Until 1987%2C the Greens included,dealing with child sexual abuse.
Is that why Hexbear and Lemmygrad were blocked? Hexbear being one of the largest and most active overtly trans-positive instances, and Lemmygrad being the largest explicitly Marxist Instance?
You’re just calling them pedophiles now rather than even entertain the idea that .world just doesn’t like Communists.
You’re treating Communism like liberals treat gay people, fine and supportive until they actually have to see gay people and complain about representation in TV and movies.
Is that why Hexbear and Lemmygrad were blocked? Hexbear being one of the largest and most active overtly trans-positive instances, and Lemmygrad being the largest explicitly Marxist Instance?
Blocked for being antisocial? Yes. If it was about being trans then Blahaj would have been blocked a long time ago.
If anything, I’m complaining about bad communist tropes dominating the media representation, and by that I mean leninists.
It isn’t a trope if the vast majority of Marxists also agree with Lenin worldwide, lmao.
It’s blatantly anticommunism, not just because people are “antisocial.” You’re like a republican with a token gay friend that complains about the LGBTQ community dominating everything these days, lol. It’s sad, just own up to being anticommunist.
We’re against tankies, pay attention dude
What separates a Marxist from a tankie? Are Anarchists tankies?
There are no .world communities for Communism, Socialism, or Marxism, so all of the Marxists who wish to contribute must do it on instances like Lemmy.ml, Lemmygrad.ml, Hexbear.net, or dbzer0. Lemmy.world deliberately blocking their users from contributing or even seeing Hexbear or Lemmygrad, and possibly soon even Lemmy.ml, is censorship of Marxists from its own users.
Or is there a secret commie gathering in .world I don’t know about?
Authoritarianism
What Marxists get the pass, and which don’t?
There are no .world communities for Communism, Socialism, or Marxism, so all of the Marxists who wish to contribute must do it on instances like Lemmy.ml, Lemmygrad.ml, Hexbear.net, or dbzer0. Lemmy.world deliberately blocking their users from contributing or even seeing Hexbear or Lemmygrad, and possibly soon even Lemmy.ml, is censorship of Marxists from its own users.
Return2ozma got banned on Lemmy.world for criticizing Biden.
Or is there a secret commie gathering in .world I don’t know about?
All this “communism is fascism” bullshit is as toxic as “if you vote for 3rd party your voting for trump”.
Fucking liberals.
The vast majority of criticism towards .ml and others come from them being tankies, not communists. I’m a communist, by which I mean I want society to overcome social classes and hierarchies, and therefore, defending authoritarian states with hierarchies where the people on top enjoy political and economic privilege is contrary to communism.
*you’re
Its in quotations
I got it. I guess they need you to insert [sic]. 🙄
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i agree but voting 3rd party is the same as nit voting because you only have 2 realistic options which makes it more likely for trump to become president than if you voted for biden (also fuck tankies)
Continuing as usual is defeat. The more votes for 3rd party the more broken the system will look, with this a campaign for real change could take place. Instead you want to bury your head in the sand.
The real change that will take place is Project 2025. They are not the ones with their head in the sand.
But it’s not “from each according to his ability”. FOSS is what people feel like contributing. And it’s not “to each according to their need”. It’s take it or leave it, unless someone feels like fulfilling requests.
Traditionally, the slogan meant a duty to work. Contributing what you feel like is just charity.
Capitalism, at its core, is private control of the capital. Copyright law turns code into intellectual property/capital. I’ve read the argument that copyleft requires strong copyrights. That argument implicitly makes copyleft a feature of capitalism. You know how rich people or corporations sometimes donate large sums to get their name on something, EG a hospital wing? That’s not so different from a FOSS license that requires attribution.
I’m curious about your agile theory now !
It’s half way to self management.
Software exists in a world that kind of exists outside of property. Cynics like to think that Agile got big because as some kind of fad because the kids love it, but the reality is that fully hierarchical models just cannot keep up with self organising teams.
The old model - the model that most of the rest of the world of work still uses - simply cannot compete on a level playing field where the means of production (a cheap computer) are available to all. A landowner can stop you building your own house, but Microsoft can’t really stop you building your own software, so they still have to put in work to collect rent.
Imagine what we could accomplish as a species if the goals and distribution of resources were also decided democratically.
Microsoft can’t stop you from building software… yet.
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My point isn’t actually about the software.
Agile is a limited form of workplace democracy that succeeded because the usual forms of disciplining workers couldn’t be enforced to stop it. It’s taken off in software because the outlay for software is so low that people can just quit their jobs and start a rival project with preferable working conditions. It’s stuck around because it’s significantly more effective than dictat.
I have problems with agile too. A lot of the “ceremonies” seem more like cult rituals and bad practices are often assumed to be self justifying when they should be interrogated. (I once had a bust up in the office because I insisted in creating a future proof test framework instead of writing just what’s needed at the time. I was overruled and I’m still mad about it).
So I guess my point isn’t even about the specific agile practices either.
The point is that workers are able to self manage when they’re allowed to, and agile has accidentally proven this to be the case. Other work places should adopt some of these ideas. And these ideas should be pushed further, into business decisions and HR and management. And physical communities etc. all the way up to actual government.
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As I’ve been putting it: software is made of labor.
Unfortunately the actual reason Agile got big is that the cult of MBAs saw daily meetings putting scores on estimates and absolutely creamed their slacks.
268% higher failure rates, perhaps? :)
According to a company trying to sell its Agile replacement.
What a shit measure. A key idea is to fail fast and fail often, as this leads to faster growth through more frequent (re)assessment.
SW companies only care about profit. If failure rate is 268% higher but profit is simultaneously 10% higher, then Agile is the better choice.
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What is impact engineering though? If it’s it’s just agile while being cognisant of technical debt over MVPs, I don’t know if it’s necessarily that different.
It seems the study was designed to sell a book and I can’t find anything about what that book says. I should probably read it but the bait way it’s being sold makes me resistant to paying to find out.
The goddamn article you yourself posted as the proof mentions how it’s an ad right at the top
Even though the research commissioned by consultancy Engprax could be seen as a thinly veiled plug for Impact Engineering methodology, it feeds into the suspicion that the Agile Manifesto might not be all it’s cracked up to be
It’s much better to deliver useless projects afterall.
Why the space before the punctuation
French typing rules
Neat! Never knew
Yeah haha it’s really weird and I tend to switch between the “normal” way and the “french” way without noticing. Basically in french the rule is that if your symbol is “tall” ( ! , ? , brackets, semicolon, I think dashes as well…) it needs to be preceded by a space
FOSS works with the quoted text for the same reason piracy is not technically stealing. How do you make the quoted text work with physical goods or services? How do you allocate the work of a cosmetic surgeon, or distribute nail polish?
Edit to give examples that are more cis male oriented: how do you distribute viagra in an equitable manner? Basically I am asking where do non-utilitarian services or Veblen goods fit into this paradigm. Technically we don’t need computers to survive and mate, so that mitigates the need for FOSS
fuck if i know, i grew up in a capitalist world and live in it i can no more imagine how a communist society would work than a slave in ancient rome could imagine our wold. All i know is that its a good ideal and that it is good to move in that direction, maybe we cant have “from each according to their abilities and to each according to their needs” right now but we can atleast have “from each according to their abilities and to each according to their labor” and a basic floor to ensure no one lives in inhuman conditions and then maybe in a few generation people have some ideas on how to achieve the ideal or atleast get closer or maybe they discover an even better ideal idk i cant know, what I know is that capitalism is fucking garbage.
a basic floor to ensure no one lives in inhuman conditions
I am not an expert on political or economic theory, but I think the reason we don’t have consensus on the above is a philosophical issue. A confounding factor is that some people often confuse their greed-induced cognitive distortions as well-reasoned justification for whatever they do. But besides all that, it seems countries with market socialism are faring quite well till now, and I think are probably a good model for other economies.
Ah yes, nyehh
