“I behaved the correct way, and this did not happen to me. If everyone else did the same as me, they wouldn’t suffer. Since their suffering is preventable, they cannot complain and must suck it up.”
“See? I’m on your side. Treat me better than you treat them, please.”
Source: live in a red US state and have talked to a few conservative women and minorities
You’re forgetting the ones who had abortions, but 30 years later regret it because they imagine it would have made their life better if they had the kid.
They think they’re “saving” the next generation, when really they have no idea what their lives would have been like if they had their own kid.
Kids are a huge change in lifestyle, and they’re just think of.missed positives and not the missed negatives.
It’s just how our brains work. Same as with the lockdown curbing how bad COVID was, because we avoided the worst negatives, people think they werent a possible result. And just look back at the potential positives they could have experienced.
They’re obviously not right. But that line of thinking is pretty normal.
If we want to fix the problem, we need to properly identify what’s causing it.
Lots of time it’s just our brains working exactly as they evolved to work.
Oof I forget about these. Or just the plain hypocrites that publicly shame abortion but will secretly get one (or have their partner get one) and go right back to shaming abortion. Or substitute any other thing they have a moral objection to, really.
Their own situation called for it, and it is fine because they are “right.” But those other people, it is not fine because they are “wrong.”
Sure but I mean… Wouldn’t you want to try to make the world a better place in general? Why do we have to force some people into a suffering underclass?
When one person stands up by themselves or with only a small group around them, the powers that be drop the hammer on them and everyone who was sympathetic and might have supported them gets scared back into line
That’s the thing: they think that it is better. They think the reason these people are suffering is because they aren’t doing things the right way.
If 9 year old girls could hold an aspirin between their legs, they wouldn’t get pregnant. They are sluts so naturally they should give birth because that will make it better.
These people have zero empathy as to the real world challenges that women face. When you ask conservatives why they don’t adopt, they say “I have my own children” which tells you everything you need to know: adopted children are not really theirs.
It’s not about children. It’s about punishment. That 9 year old needs to be punished for having sex.
It’s maddening how far they have gotten in the political world.
If 9 year old girls could hold an aspirin between their legs, they wouldn’t get pregnant. They are sluts so naturally they should give birth because that will make it better.
This is the craziest thing to me. Babies as punishment for “moral failing.”
A baby is not and should never be a punishment. Anyone who thinks a baby is a punishment shouldn’t be having babies or forcing others to have babies.
Misogyny is subversive. It’s capable of being internalized. It is consistent. The ideology behind it is enforced in subtle ways throughout the entirety of our lives. We become accustomed to it, expectant of it. We are trained to accept it and be tolerant of it. Misogyny can seem beneficial to certain women, and those will readily accept it and become ignorant of the consequences it has for them.
Misogyny also doesn’t exist in a vacuum. It exists alongside white supremacy, xenophobia, queerphobia, ableism, classism, and other forms of social oppression. Women can identify with and ideologically support any of those systems of oppression. All of them interconnect, though. Each system is built partially on the foundations of the others. They all affect each other. Being a white supremacist doesn’t make you a misogynist, but those 2 things are ideologically consistent with each other. White supremacists tend to support misogynists and vice versa.
When we realize Misogyny not simply as a singular concept on its own, but rather a socially constructed one interconnected with different systems of power - it’s actually very conceivable for women to be misogynists and actively participate in the oppression of women. They are able to firstly distance themselves from the group being oppressed using logic like “I’m an oppresser, I am not oppressed.” Then they are welcomed into the greater sphere of social bigotry and systems of power. White supremacists uphold patriarchal households and white mothers, for instance. Xenophobic households uphold women and mothers from their nation and who share their religion. They are upheld not as a form of empowerment but as an example by which to compare others.
I can’t say exactly why this woman specifically has chosen to actively participate in the subjugation of women, but it is a predictable phenomenon and, unfortunately, part of the strategy of fascism.
This reminds me of the many stories I have heard of family gatherings; the women all prep food and cook while the men drink beers and watch sports or talk about their work. Men who tried to help their wives in the kitchen got weird looks, and women who didn’t feel comfortable playing the role of tradwife got scolded and shunned.
The misogyny is ingrained in those families, so much so that the women do not recognize it and instead take pride in their ‘role.’ It brings them comfort to exist in a space where their contribution is both defined and ‘valued,’ despite the ‘role’ existing as a result of misogyny. Attempts to change these expectations are seen as undermining the importance of their ‘roles’ and thus treated like affronts to their contributions.
Yeah that doesn’t fly in my household. I do all the cooking for gatherings, yes, doing as much mise en place as possible, not wrecking the kitchen but towards the end always of course there is mess.
Then I make myself a drink and ask the guys to do a round of dishes/cleaning. Then we eat and then someone else does the dishes and cleans the kitchen.
So yes there are “roles” but it’s more like shifts, I’m very good at cooking but a disinterested housekeeper at best so my husband handles most of the kitchen cleaning. I just try not to be an asshole and completely wreck the kitchen while cooking.
Wave enough money under some people’s noses and they’ll say or do whatever you want. True with doctors as anyone else. There’s a reason why famous people can get all the prescription drugs they care to.
Surely that can’t be the case for all I hope. That helps me understand one case, but roughly half the country is women. And these people are in positions that have influence.
You would think that because there’s so many more women not in these positions that we could do something about it.
I don’t understand how one can be a woman and carry so much hatred for your own gender.
“I behaved the correct way, and this did not happen to me. If everyone else did the same as me, they wouldn’t suffer. Since their suffering is preventable, they cannot complain and must suck it up.”
“See? I’m on your side. Treat me better than you treat them, please.”
Source: live in a red US state and have talked to a few conservative women and minorities
You’re forgetting the ones who had abortions, but 30 years later regret it because they imagine it would have made their life better if they had the kid.
They think they’re “saving” the next generation, when really they have no idea what their lives would have been like if they had their own kid.
Kids are a huge change in lifestyle, and they’re just think of.missed positives and not the missed negatives.
It’s just how our brains work. Same as with the lockdown curbing how bad COVID was, because we avoided the worst negatives, people think they werent a possible result. And just look back at the potential positives they could have experienced.
They’re obviously not right. But that line of thinking is pretty normal.
If we want to fix the problem, we need to properly identify what’s causing it.
Lots of time it’s just our brains working exactly as they evolved to work.
Oof I forget about these. Or just the plain hypocrites that publicly shame abortion but will secretly get one (or have their partner get one) and go right back to shaming abortion. Or substitute any other thing they have a moral objection to, really.
Their own situation called for it, and it is fine because they are “right.” But those other people, it is not fine because they are “wrong.”
Sure but I mean… Wouldn’t you want to try to make the world a better place in general? Why do we have to force some people into a suffering underclass?
Cause sky daddy “told” them to.
Don’t you dare point out that sky daddy’s son said the opposite and hung out with whores, poors, and the sick with sores.
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But what genre? My money would be on either garage Ska-punk or folksey Americana
I think punk is right on and also bluegrass
When one person stands up by themselves or with only a small group around them, the powers that be drop the hammer on them and everyone who was sympathetic and might have supported them gets scared back into line
That’s the thing: they think that it is better. They think the reason these people are suffering is because they aren’t doing things the right way.
If 9 year old girls could hold an aspirin between their legs, they wouldn’t get pregnant. They are sluts so naturally they should give birth because that will make it better.
These people have zero empathy as to the real world challenges that women face. When you ask conservatives why they don’t adopt, they say “I have my own children” which tells you everything you need to know: adopted children are not really theirs.
It’s not about children. It’s about punishment. That 9 year old needs to be punished for having sex.
It’s maddening how far they have gotten in the political world.
This is the craziest thing to me. Babies as punishment for “moral failing.”
A baby is not and should never be a punishment. Anyone who thinks a baby is a punishment shouldn’t be having babies or forcing others to have babies.
I think, at the surface, conservatives don’t say this. They say a child is a blessing, etc.
But when you get down deeper, past their rhetoric, they definitely equate babies as a punishment.
“I suffered, and so should you. Stop complaining!”
It really does come down to this for a lot of folks. Anyone that tries to fix it are considered “whiners” to these folks.
Misogyny is subversive. It’s capable of being internalized. It is consistent. The ideology behind it is enforced in subtle ways throughout the entirety of our lives. We become accustomed to it, expectant of it. We are trained to accept it and be tolerant of it. Misogyny can seem beneficial to certain women, and those will readily accept it and become ignorant of the consequences it has for them.
Misogyny also doesn’t exist in a vacuum. It exists alongside white supremacy, xenophobia, queerphobia, ableism, classism, and other forms of social oppression. Women can identify with and ideologically support any of those systems of oppression. All of them interconnect, though. Each system is built partially on the foundations of the others. They all affect each other. Being a white supremacist doesn’t make you a misogynist, but those 2 things are ideologically consistent with each other. White supremacists tend to support misogynists and vice versa.
When we realize Misogyny not simply as a singular concept on its own, but rather a socially constructed one interconnected with different systems of power - it’s actually very conceivable for women to be misogynists and actively participate in the oppression of women. They are able to firstly distance themselves from the group being oppressed using logic like “I’m an oppresser, I am not oppressed.” Then they are welcomed into the greater sphere of social bigotry and systems of power. White supremacists uphold patriarchal households and white mothers, for instance. Xenophobic households uphold women and mothers from their nation and who share their religion. They are upheld not as a form of empowerment but as an example by which to compare others.
I can’t say exactly why this woman specifically has chosen to actively participate in the subjugation of women, but it is a predictable phenomenon and, unfortunately, part of the strategy of fascism.
This reminds me of the many stories I have heard of family gatherings; the women all prep food and cook while the men drink beers and watch sports or talk about their work. Men who tried to help their wives in the kitchen got weird looks, and women who didn’t feel comfortable playing the role of tradwife got scolded and shunned.
The misogyny is ingrained in those families, so much so that the women do not recognize it and instead take pride in their ‘role.’ It brings them comfort to exist in a space where their contribution is both defined and ‘valued,’ despite the ‘role’ existing as a result of misogyny. Attempts to change these expectations are seen as undermining the importance of their ‘roles’ and thus treated like affronts to their contributions.
And so the cycle continues…
Yeah that doesn’t fly in my household. I do all the cooking for gatherings, yes, doing as much mise en place as possible, not wrecking the kitchen but towards the end always of course there is mess. Then I make myself a drink and ask the guys to do a round of dishes/cleaning. Then we eat and then someone else does the dishes and cleans the kitchen.
So yes there are “roles” but it’s more like shifts, I’m very good at cooking but a disinterested housekeeper at best so my husband handles most of the kitchen cleaning. I just try not to be an asshole and completely wreck the kitchen while cooking.
Wave enough money under some people’s noses and they’ll say or do whatever you want. True with doctors as anyone else. There’s a reason why famous people can get all the prescription drugs they care to.
Surely that can’t be the case for all I hope. That helps me understand one case, but roughly half the country is women. And these people are in positions that have influence.
You would think that because there’s so many more women not in these positions that we could do something about it.
Sorry, I thought you were just talking about this lady. For many of them- their minds have been poisoned by religion from infancy.