You know those sci-fi teleporters like in Star Trek where you disappear from one location then instantaneously reappear in another location? Do you trust that they are safe to use?

To fully understand my question, you need to understand the safety concerns regarding teleporters as explained in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQHBAdShgYI

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I wouldn’t, because the person that reappears aint me, its a fucking clone. Teleporters are murder machines. Star Trek is a silent massacre!

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      1 year ago

      “As far as you are concerned”

      Correction: “as far as anyone else is concerned.”

      Consciousness IS continuity. If you are disentigrated and a perfect clone pops up somewhere to replace you… you died. Your current stream of consciousness ended and a perfect copy replaced you.

      As far as all external observers are concerned it’s still you. But from your own perspective? Well you won’t have one anymore, you’ll be dead.

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          1 year ago

          The fact that a clone would be seamlessly picking up my stream of consciousness after I die would be little consolation to me.

          Sleep may be similar from a philosophical or external point of view. But I’m not sold that lack consciousness during sleep is in the same league as completely destroying, and then, rebuilding it.

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              No difference for the rest of the universe, but the difference between life and death to my current stream of consciousness.

              Imagine if the teleporter malfunctioned and created the duplicate on the other end but failed to disentigeate you. A worker notices you’re still in the machine and says, “oops sorry, had a malfunction on this end. Give us a minute to fix the issue and we’ll destroy you. No worries though, ‘you’ made it out the other end.”

              Wouldn’t you do everything in your power to get out of that machine before they could fix it and kill you?

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          1 year ago

          While I agree with you it would -for me- still depend on how the process works. Suppose the new copy needs to be compared with the original after being constituted for safety reasons. So the original doesn’t get destroyed before the copy is created. So for an instant there will be 2 ‘yous’. That makes jt less desirable for me. Now suppose the verification time -either due to technical or administrative purposes- takes minutes or hours? At that point I would not step into a transporter.

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          I’m not convinced they’re at all the same. Consciousness may go dormant during sleep, and you may not remember it, but it’s still a continuous, uninterrupted, stream of electricity.

          This kind of teleportation would completely snuff out that fire and replace it with an identical one at another location. It’s not the same as sleep.

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      1 year ago

      Every atom in your brain gets replaced every four five years anyway so clearly it’s the position and structure of the atoms that’s important rather than the atoms themselves. So obviously there is no point worrying about it because it happens anyway, and you’re clearly fine.

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        1 year ago

        This is just blatantly untrue.

        Some cells don’t renew hardly at all, some do it all the time but the brain isn’t “renewed” every X years.