• MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca
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    This is why, as a straight dude, I wholeheartedly support everyone in the LGBTQ+ community. They’re people, just like everyone else, and I’m sure there’s some that are just terrible people, but on the whole, they’re just folks trying to find their happiness just like everyone else.

    I consider myself an ally, and I’ll use any power I have to promote equality for everyone; whether that entails voting against people who would take their rights away, or try to silence them or whatever, speaking out against tyranny or judgemental asshats… It doesn’t matter.

    IMO, we are people first. Your choice in name, pronouns, gender identity, sexual orientation, etc, are all secondary to the fact that you are a human person deserving of all the same rights and privileges afforded to everyone else.

    My favorite (tongue in cheek) comment, specifically about (gay) marriage is that LGBTQ+ people should have the right to be just as unhappy as the rest of us, in marriage.

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      My favorite (tongue in cheek) comment, specifically about (gay) marriage is that LGBTQ+ people should have the right to be just as unhappy as the rest of us, in marriage.

      While not so bad now that they’re legally allowed to marry, this joke was kinda cringey before then. “Sure you don’t have the right to marry who you love like most people do, but ‘wife bad’, amiright??”

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          I can’t say for sure, but I suspect that it’s mostly hetero males who make this joke. Just like the many “wife bad” boomer comics.

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            It’s was only hetero males getting married in the past… The fuck you on about? Are you just trying to find something to be offended by?

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              Funny, I could have sworn that hetero females got married, too…not to mention bi males and females.

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              Thanks for replying to this. I’m not in Lemmy nearly as much as I would like.

              I just want to note that the comment you replied to is wrong. Call it a quirk of my personality, but I like to ask the opposite of what’s expected. The example I gave in another reply was walking in to a room where people are watching sports, instead of asking “who is winning?” As most would, I instead ask “who is losing?”. The information is the same either way, provided you know who is playing, stating the loser implies who the winner is.

              I don’t mean to imply all marriages are unhappy, I just simply flipped the script, so to speak, and instead of saying they have the same right to a happy marriage, I say the opposite, not because I think they’re doomed to be unhappy in marriage, but because people usually expect an implication of everyone being happy in marriage.

              I think the reason I do this is because it makes people think about their response more than if they’re asked what people expect them to ask. But IDK, I’m no psychiatrist.

              Either way, I appreciate your comments here, and I wanted to leave you a note to say so, and provide a bit of information. I hope you have a great day.

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            While there definitely is a trope about “wife bad”, and it’s fairly common, people complaining about their spouse is nothing new. Men were able to insert it into pop culture far more frequently in the boomer days before there was even a facade of equality (both for gender and for race).

            Now at least, there’s a facade of equality if not genuine equality and as others have indicated, a lot of the spouse demeaning comedy has fallen out of favour.

            So from the etymology of the trend, it could only be “wife bad” boomer humor to achieve the meme-like status that it has, when equality became a more important issue, those jokes fell out of favour.

            To be perfectly clear, my statements are largely genderless, and that is very much on purpose. Since a husband may not have a wife, and a wife may not have a husband. Equally a spouse may not have a husband or wife.

            I have done a lot to ensure that the language I use isn’t gendered because there are people who don’t identify as a gender or don’t identify as a single gender. To which, my comments are largely taking about people, not men and women, so genderless terms are more correct to what I mean by my comments.

            Yes, it’s a little cringe to imply that all marriages are unhappy marriages. I tell this joke because it falls in the arena known as “dad” jokes, which I personally enjoy. Additionally, it subverts expectations by implying the negative of what would be normally expected, which is the bread and butter of my preferred humor.

            This is emphasized by the fact of who I am and how my personality works. I like to give people something unexpected; I’ll give you one easy example of not being funny but also not doing what’s normally expected. If I walk into a room where a group of people are watching a sports game, I’ll ask “who is losing?” Since most people would ask “who is winning?”. It’s weird, I’m weird, and I’m okay with that.

            Do with that information as you will. The fact is I like going with the opposite of whatever most people would expect when it has no bearing on the information, it only inverts it. So rather than saying “the same right to be happily married as everyone else” I simply went for the opposite as I do with everything else. It’s a quirk of my personality.

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          It seems to be far more common, in my experience. Do you have any examples of “husband bad”? Not just complaining about them, mind, but implying that marriage itself is a bad thing?

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            90% of the content on Reddit’s XXchromosome is women shitting on their husbands or boyfriends, and it’s a big subreddit.

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      wholeheartedly support everyone in the LGBTQ+ community.

      what about the lone gay? the pan-sexiled? the lesbianned from all nearby coffee-shops? Why do you only support the gays with social capital sufficient to be part of the communitiy?

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      They are still after me, generations have passed and those lesbian friends of my great great great great father do not how to quit

      I tried stabbing, burning, decapitation, even slicing them up in little pieces using a blender. They always return

      I do not know how much longer I can take it, this bloodline needs to end with me, it is the only way for the curse to end. The curse of the eternal lesbians

      .* becomes gay .*

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    I don’t care whether this story is true or not but I can absolutely confirm that lesbian friends fucking rock

    My friends have reciprocated every ounce of support I’ve given, have helped be to better myself, boosted my confidence, have given me perspectives on life and interpersonal interaction that I otherwise may have been blind to, and are generally wonderful to be around.

    Sorry to rant just really love my friends and wanted to tell people they are missing out although of course your experience may vary

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    I had a girlfriend in my 20s that used to hook up with other girls. For some reason I never considered that cheating and never cared. No idea why it never bothered me.

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      Relationships are all different and unique. Something that’s cheating to you may not be to this relationship, or vice versa. I’m a proponent of open relationships, with good communication - if we discuss it and there’s no deception, it’s not cheating.

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        Traditional relationship models are so weird.

        Making up all these different definitions of “cheating” vs “emotional cheating” and distinguishing them from other instances of hurtfully not honoring agreements.

        It’s just that: people have an agreement with each other and one of them expressed that it’s very important for them emotionally for the other to honor it. Then the other didn’t. That expectedly hurts.

        Why is there a special word when the agreement is about sex?

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          They aren’t even “traditional” really. We didn’t start pairing off in “lifelong partnerships,” aka marriage, until a few thousand years ago. We spent hundreds of thousands of years existing in communal tribes.

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            I’m not disagreeing with your core message: monogamy isn’t “older” than polygamy. But neither is it the other way around: We probably did both since very long ago.

            The notion that there’s a human “tech tree” of civilization is wrong. E.g. Agriculture doesn’t “follow” hunting and gathering, and neither does centralized power (like in a state) “follow” agriculture. Humans have been experimenting with social structures since basically the beginning.

            So within the last tens of millenia, there were probably societies that were monogamous, some that were polygamous, and some that rotated or did both, and of these some depending on some social stratification and some depending on personal preference.

            Source: “The dawn of everything”

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        I totally hear you there. No problem with whatever people want to do. Everyone should be able to pursuit their happiness if it isn’t causing others harm or distress. Live and let live.

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        I’m in my early 40s with four kids now and that seems like way too much work lol. To be clear though, I definitely would have considered it cheating if she was with another dude. It was just with other women it wasn’t an issue at all for me.

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          in that case you may have some unrealized homophobia, causing you to not view queer interactions as fully valid compared to straight interactions

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            lol what? Not sure what you read but I said I had no problem with my girlfriend with other girls.

            Furthermore I’ve hung out with tons of gay people. My brother was gay (died of fentanyl). Zero issues with whatever people want to do in their bedroom. None of my business anyway.

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              I think they mean some guys don’t consider 2 women having sex to be “real sex” so they don’t think it’s cheating.

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                Oh, im really not that deep. I don’t spend much time worrying about what others are doing for sex or intimacy.

                Some other user said it’s probably because I can’t compare myself to a girl, unlike another man, which is probably true.

                Appreciate you explaining what they probably meant by that comment as I was extremely confused

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          I’m with you on this. It doesn’t feel like cheating at all unless it’s with a man

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        My thoughts exactly. My wife loves being with other women, and we both like mff relationships, so we just got a girlfriend. Solves so many problems and makes raising a kid together so much easier with an extra set of hands. Makes the various medical issues between all of us easier to deal with.

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      Even in cases where it ends a relationship, there’s something slightly less bad about a partner cheating on you with a gender different than your own. “What do they have that I don’t have?? Oh, right, a vagina and boobs/a dick.”

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      Should it bother you? Was your girlfriend being dishonest to you, or mistreating you? In the end, if you’re fine with it, then its fine.

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        I’ve seen more often than not (like this post) that other guys are uncomfortable and consider their girlfriend with another girl a deal breaker. To me it makes no sense.

        My girlfriend never really talked to me about it, just kinda found out or she might mention something here or there. Didn’t really matter.

        This was also back in the day - raves, bars, drinking, drugs, sex. The good old days lol.

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      It’s never bothered me as a concept either, though I’ve never had it tested. I figure it’s just a inbuilt bias or underlying thought pattern that has been built in from an early age. Not the best honestly, but not really a battle worth prioritising either.

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    Fake but people will upvote anything that creates propaganda for their preferred narrative 🙄. No critical thinking.