• CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world
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    The government should never be allowed to put its own citizens to death. The government is not infallible. The government has put innocent people to death.

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        Boomer humor. Government did something imperfect or not to MY personal standards therefore the whole thing is shit. Hahahahhahahahahaha aren’t I funny?

        /s

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            Feel free to go live off the grid and no longer enjoy all the everyday qualities of life that are a result of government that you take for granted.

            If your spouse or child were imperfect would you also toss them in the trash?

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                Just don’t live near Robert Bedella or Jeffery Dharma! Simple!

                Or Jimmy Savile…

                …or Jack the Ripper. Or any number of people who are lifetime murderers, rapists, torturers, criminals.

                Simple!

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                  Yeah because we’ve only two forms of punishment: slap on the wrists or execution. There’s nothing in between.

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          Nah, boomers love the death penalty. Which seems paradoxical, considering how they hate government.

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            Because conservatives view government as a cudgel rather than a social net

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    Regardless of the method of execution, imagine knowing the exact date and time of your death and knowing nothing you could do would stop it. That is torture, plain and simple. It should be in violation of the eighth amendment.

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      Consider Japan, who does it differently. Death row inmates in Japan are not told their execution dates, as they had issues with people committing suicide before they could be executed. So now they only find out with just a few hours of notice when they’re going to be executed. You could be sitting in your cell, ten years into your sentence, enjoying an otherwise ordinary, quiet day in prison, only to be told that it’s time to die, whether you’re ready for it or not, the equipment and staff are already prepared and there’s no time left to argue your case.

      Honestly, I don’t know which one is “better”. They’re both cruel in their own ways.

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      Or is it cruel to make someone wake up and ask “is this the day that I will die?”

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      It’s been ruled that a punishment needs to be BOTH cruel AND unusual, to qualify as a violation. One or the other is fine, as long as it’s not both. Scalping someone for petty theft would be okay as long as most-everyone convicted got scalped.

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        In this specific case, I wouldn’t call it usual and it certainly is cruel.

        I would also argue that, since it is not applied evenly in any way and that only a minority of people get the death penalty, even though some people who don’t get it have committed worse crimes, it is always unusual. Usual is prison for some length of time, possibly life.

        I would also add that SCOTUS found it both cruel and unusual at one point.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furman_v._Georgia

        Then it was reinstated in Gregg v. Georgia because SCOTUS claimed that some states met some arbitrary criteria they didn’t actually meet.

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    I feel like if they fuck it up your sentence it should be commuted. They shouldn’t get a do-over.

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      It’s not the case here, but fuckups tend to happen when the person is morbidly obese and therefore a vein can’t be found.

      Not making a point one way or another, just sharing a bit of information. This is a problem in the medical field as well.

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        I used to think people stay years on death row. Are you saying you can stay morbidly obese on prison food?

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          I believe that photograph is from 1999 when he got arrested. He was sentenced to death in 2000, so that’s over 20 years waiting. And yes, obesity is becoming a problem inside prisons too (prisonlegalnews.org).

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          Not sure about death row, but many prisons have a commissary where you can buy junk food with personal funds either brought in with you from the outside or transferred from friends and family outside. Some people don’t get fat -until- they go to prison.

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          Your question is so out of left field. I didn’t say anything related to the topic. But yes, there are actually obese inmates.

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    If you survive one execution I don’t think they should be allowed a do over, let him live in his cell, he earned it.

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      I can’t think of a time in human history where we weren’t barbaric.

      That’s not to say we shouldn’t change but I sure a fuck don’t see it happening anytime soon.

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    Don’t they have bullets? Gassing people seems very cruel and unusual. Being shot is not unusual.

    I’m not pro-death penalty, but if it’s going to be done at least get the shit right.

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        They don’t. They put a gas mask on the prisoner, which lets oxygen in, rather than putting them in an airtight chamber.

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          My understanding is that the problem with the gas mask is not oxygen, but rather it’s so small that CO2 builds up, so the prisoner feels that they are suffocating.

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            A problem that has been solved for respirators meant for breathing, including in space when you don’t want to just expel the air to the surrounding environment. If it’s ok to expel it to the environment, the technology is as simple as a rubber flap over a hole in the mask.

            Though reading more about it, there are mechanisms that could still cause distress even if the mask is designed to expel CO2 properly, including CO2 poisoning because the body’s ability to expel it can be compromised by the lack of oxygen. And it’s possible that executionees experience inert gas asphyxiation differently from accidental victims because they are aware of what’s happening while accidental victims might pass out without ever realizing they were dying, which can affect the way the body uses resources.

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      I always wondered why they don’t just drain their blood until they die. Seems like the most painless and easiest way to do it.

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      It’s about making it more palatable for observers.

      Lethal injection was much, much less humane than the guillotine, but it wasn’t as pretty so that’s what we switched to.

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      Because drug companies don’t want to sell to states for the purpose of murder.