I know this is just a shit post but fuck is this eurocentric and a bit racist let me refer you to the world happiness rank. The
Corruption Perceptions Index and This map of real GDP.
First of all: haha, funny, your nickname is in the OP
Secondly: how are your links you referred us to showing that the joke made is eurocentric and racist? What’s real GDP growth (that’s what the map you linked showed) got to do with anything? Why is the corruption perception index any indication of how hard life is gonna be if you are born in a certain place? It doesn’t show how much corruption there is or the effects of said corruption, just how corrupt things are perceived as.
And regarding the happiness index… Have you looked at the page? It lists almost exclusively countries within Europe, so that would support the joke, would it not?
Weirdly enough it is very hard to get corrupt politicians, civil servants, etc to check the yes box for the question are you corrupt. So corruption perception is used, which is actually pretty accurate. The local population is pretty good at noticing when they’re being asked to pay a bribe or seeing that nepotism is present in government.
If you were to look at the ranked list you would find that Uruguay, Barbados, Bhutan, and Botswana. Are all ahead of Greece, Montenegro, Romanian, Bulgaria, and Hungry.
As for the happiness index did you actually scroll down to the full list? Yes most of the country you would expect to be high on the list. There are plenty of outliers, Costa Rica is higher than the USA; Uruguay is higher than France; El Salvador is higher than Italy, Malta, Spain, Estonia, and Poland; Honduras and China are higher than Croatia, Greece, and Bosnia and Hertzegovina. I am sure there are more but I hope you get how it does not support the joke.
Is eurocentric and a little racist because it clearly states that the only countries worth living in are European or North America (except Mexico which apparently doesn’t exist). This meme is basically saying living in Europe or the United States is the best and everywhere else is a shit hole country. Yet looking at the actual data we can see that is not true.
You’re overemphasizing the nil racism in the meme. If anything, it highlights empathy that life can be harder being born in a less developed country and that that isn’t fair.
Is complicated, every Chilean you ask will have a different opinion, but I think there are many reasons to think that chile will manage and there is hope for the future, you can make a post in !chile@feddit.cl, the Chilean community on lemmy too.
Thanks for the tip! I’m from the Pacific Northwest of the United States. As things here start to look increasingly concerning, we’re considering our options.
A lot of Chileans don’t like chile, but IMO they just fall in the “neighbour has geener grass” fallacy, we have a lot of problems but we have a lot of the tools to fix them, tools that many other countries don’t.
I think that, provided you have studies or some money, chile is a great country to live, Chilean culture, at its core, has a lot of solidarity, people do think about other people, specially in a natural disaster.
The government, as much as they have done dumb shit, it’s generally competent in keeping the country afloat, they got everyone vaccinated from COVID very early for example.
Good infrastructure, public and private health, tons of natural beauty, is reasonably safe, even if less than in the past, yeah, I like chile, I think I’m lucky to have been born here, could have been a lot worse.
You may like chile too, I can’t say, but, specially if you hold on to an online US job (Chilean jobs pay way less) you should be pretty fine here as an American.
Thanks so much for taking the time to write this up. I just told my wife we’re moving to Chile and she thinks I’m crazy. Of course, lacking any context from here, that’s understandable.
One of the big problems with HDI is that it fails to consider inequality and non-income material conditions; a country with 1 person making 1B/y and 999 people living in abject poverty gets the same per capita GNI as a country of 1000 people making 1m/y who have free housing, transport, and healthcare.
The latter obviously has better conditions for more people.
Freedom in the world index. IMO the best indicator of how easy it is to live in a specific place.
While I wouldn’t call this shitpost accurate and I myself don’t really like it, you can’t say that the rough simplified categories don’t have any base.
I’m inclined to agree. While life is kinda good in Europe, it’s getting more and more difficult to lead a somewhat wealthy and happy life here. And now the fucking Nazis are on the rise again, it makes me sick. I’d absolutely prefer to live in NZ or Australia but I don’t want to tear my daughter away from her social surroundings just yet.
I know this is just a shit post but fuck is this eurocentric and a bit racist let me refer you to the world happiness rank. The Corruption Perceptions Index and This map of real GDP.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/happiest-countries-in-the-world
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index
First of all: haha, funny, your nickname is in the OP
Secondly: how are your links you referred us to showing that the joke made is eurocentric and racist? What’s real GDP growth (that’s what the map you linked showed) got to do with anything? Why is the corruption perception index any indication of how hard life is gonna be if you are born in a certain place? It doesn’t show how much corruption there is or the effects of said corruption, just how corrupt things are perceived as.
And regarding the happiness index… Have you looked at the page? It lists almost exclusively countries within Europe, so that would support the joke, would it not?
Here is the wiki article on Real GDP feel free. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_gross_domestic_product The take a way is you will see most of South America and parts of Africa are on par with the USA.
Weirdly enough it is very hard to get corrupt politicians, civil servants, etc to check the yes box for the question are you corrupt. So corruption perception is used, which is actually pretty accurate. The local population is pretty good at noticing when they’re being asked to pay a bribe or seeing that nepotism is present in government.
If you were to look at the ranked list you would find that Uruguay, Barbados, Bhutan, and Botswana. Are all ahead of Greece, Montenegro, Romanian, Bulgaria, and Hungry.
As for the happiness index did you actually scroll down to the full list? Yes most of the country you would expect to be high on the list. There are plenty of outliers, Costa Rica is higher than the USA; Uruguay is higher than France; El Salvador is higher than Italy, Malta, Spain, Estonia, and Poland; Honduras and China are higher than Croatia, Greece, and Bosnia and Hertzegovina. I am sure there are more but I hope you get how it does not support the joke.
Is eurocentric and a little racist because it clearly states that the only countries worth living in are European or North America (except Mexico which apparently doesn’t exist). This meme is basically saying living in Europe or the United States is the best and everywhere else is a shit hole country. Yet looking at the actual data we can see that is not true.
You’re overemphasizing the nil racism in the meme. If anything, it highlights empathy that life can be harder being born in a less developed country and that that isn’t fair.
Here’s human rights index. Lots of different ways to measure things, none of them great.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/human-rights-index-vdem
Human development index matches decently except Australia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index
Somos el mejor país de chile!
¡Es la verdad!
I’ve actually considered moving to Chile. How are things there?
Is complicated, every Chilean you ask will have a different opinion, but I think there are many reasons to think that chile will manage and there is hope for the future, you can make a post in !chile@feddit.cl, the Chilean community on lemmy too.
Also: were are you from?
Thanks for the tip! I’m from the Pacific Northwest of the United States. As things here start to look increasingly concerning, we’re considering our options.
A lot of Chileans don’t like chile, but IMO they just fall in the “neighbour has geener grass” fallacy, we have a lot of problems but we have a lot of the tools to fix them, tools that many other countries don’t.
I think that, provided you have studies or some money, chile is a great country to live, Chilean culture, at its core, has a lot of solidarity, people do think about other people, specially in a natural disaster.
The government, as much as they have done dumb shit, it’s generally competent in keeping the country afloat, they got everyone vaccinated from COVID very early for example.
Good infrastructure, public and private health, tons of natural beauty, is reasonably safe, even if less than in the past, yeah, I like chile, I think I’m lucky to have been born here, could have been a lot worse.
You may like chile too, I can’t say, but, specially if you hold on to an online US job (Chilean jobs pay way less) you should be pretty fine here as an American.
Thanks so much for taking the time to write this up. I just told my wife we’re moving to Chile and she thinks I’m crazy. Of course, lacking any context from here, that’s understandable.
Start a yt channel, there are a couple popular ones (of Americans that have moved to chile) like gringo mode on, people seem to like those.
One of the big problems with HDI is that it fails to consider inequality and non-income material conditions; a country with 1 person making 1B/y and 999 people living in abject poverty gets the same per capita GNI as a country of 1000 people making 1m/y who have free housing, transport, and healthcare.
The latter obviously has better conditions for more people.
I thought hdi did take into account using the median instead of the mean metrics, but I’m not super familiar with how hdi is calculated.
There is a IHDI (inequality-adjusted Human Development Index):
GDP and GDP Growth are both useless metrics
Yeah they are. That is why I used Real GDP Growth. It is still not a great metric but it is a little better than GDP and GDP Growth.
https://freedomhouse.org/explore-the-map?type=fiw&year=2024
Freedom in the world index. IMO the best indicator of how easy it is to live in a specific place.
While I wouldn’t call this shitpost accurate and I myself don’t really like it, you can’t say that the rough simplified categories don’t have any base.
I’m inclined to agree. While life is kinda good in Europe, it’s getting more and more difficult to lead a somewhat wealthy and happy life here. And now the fucking Nazis are on the rise again, it makes me sick. I’d absolutely prefer to live in NZ or Australia but I don’t want to tear my daughter away from her social surroundings just yet.