• muse
    link
    fedilink
    1293 months ago

    If those tankies could read, they’d be very upset!

    • Grayox
      link
      fedilink
      383 months ago

      Advocating for Communism is not Advocating for the USSR.

      • @Kedly@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        113
        edit-2
        3 months ago

        Hence why we call them Tankies and not communists

        Edit: Stop defending Tankies. If you are truly a Communist that doesnt support Russia and China, then defending the Tankies by letting them pretend ALL communists get called Tankies is only making you look bad by comparison. If Tankie was synonymous with communist, it wouldnt need to exist as a word.

        2nd edit: I’m giving some of you WAAAYYY too much benefit of doubt but heres a further point, at the moment there is two options

        1: You help clarify that Tankie means “Communist who Supports Authoritarian Regimes and their use of violences to suppress dissent” for people who are using the word incorrectly

        or

        2: You help create a smokescreen for Tankies to hide behind and let Tankie and Communist blur so Tankies can claim that all Communists get called that so the word means nothing. And if you are successful in that, the vast majority of us with great distaste for the Chinese and Russian goverment will just switch to telling ALL communists to fuck off because we certainly arent going to grow more tolerance for regimes that have no issues violently suppressing minorities

        There is no 3rd option

        Final Addition: 9 communists are sitting at a table when 1 Tankie decides to join the table. No one rejects the Tankie from sitting. 10 Tankies sit at a table

        • Grayox
          link
          fedilink
          223 months ago

          I get called a tankie quite regularly advocating for Communism, like it or not the terms are becoming ubiquitous.

          • @Kedly@lemm.ee
            link
            fedilink
            51
            edit-2
            3 months ago

            It’s your ideal, we’re giving communists who dont support Russia and China respect by labelling Tankies as Tankies, and not Communists, but if you want to give the Tankies a smoke screen to hide behind by letting the two terms blur, then its more your loss than its mine. Russia and China are not bastions of LGBTQ rights though, so I dont know why you’d want to help the Tankies

          • YeetPics
            link
            fedilink
            23
            edit-2
            3 months ago

            The old adage goes “if you meet an asshole once in the morning, you merely met an asshole. If you meet an asshole in the morning, at noon and again at night, you are the asshole”

            Reassess your behavior and stance; if you’re getting called a tankie it isn’t because the whole world decided to shift a definition.

              • @Kedly@lemm.ee
                link
                fedilink
                223 months ago

                It really isnt. Tankie is specifically for those who’d support Russia and China. Are you defending Russia’s invasion of Ukraine? Are you making arguements that Taiwan should become part of China? THEN you are a Tankie, but if you believe true Communism hasnt been done yet, and Russia and China DEFINITELY havent done it right, then no one who matters is going to call you a Tankie. If Tankie and Communist were synonymous, there would literally be no need for the term Tankie. You dont see “Fuck off Communists” everywhere on Lemmy, you see “Fuck off Tankies”

                • @daltotron@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  13 months ago

                  yeah that’s too much singular linguistic prescriptivism for me. I’ve definitely seen a litany of people here called tankies. Lots of people just decrying US imperialism, particularly what’s happening in Gaza, lots of people criticizing Biden, that’s a classic way to get accused of being a tankie, I think I’ve also seen people advocating for basic shit like healthcare being called tankies. Prison reform is a big one that’ll get you called a tankie, as well as lots of anti-police takes, for whatever reason.

                  Yeah. It’s a term that’s like originating out of apologia for the suppression of the Hungarian revolution, it’s not used for that anymore. The definition has changed historically and from person to person over time. It doesn’t have this clear meaning that you seem to think it does. It can have that clear meaning for you, sure, you’ve defined your use case, but you can’t really guarantee that every other person using that term is going to use it correctly. It would be, you know, theoretically, pretty advantageous for some right wingers to pose as left wing and then just kind of throw around a term commonly used in left wing circles as a derogatory term to shut down discussions, with basically no coherence to use.

          • @Socsa@sh.itjust.works
            link
            fedilink
            22
            edit-2
            3 months ago

            Is it because you occasionally simp for authoritarians?

            I too advocate for socialism, but I keep getting banned from “socialist” spaces for wrong think, because I think Lenin’s shit stinks.

          • @grrgyle@slrpnk.net
            link
            fedilink
            163 months ago

            Conservatives and liberal chuds also use it because they see us saying it, not realising that it’s a call-out of viscous authoritarianism, and not necessarily a critique of communism let alone socialism.

          • @honey_im_meat_grinding
            link
            9
            edit-2
            3 months ago

            I feel like communism has been conflated with ‘tankie’ (as in, the meaning, not the word) for a long while thanks to the red scares. “Tankie” seems to be a more recent (or at least, recently resurrected) term that is attempting to split the authoritarianism away from ‘communism’ and bring that latter term back to its roots as ‘classless, stateless, cashless society’.

            But also, you can often avoid using loaded terms like communism. Personally I like to just double down on “democracy” since it literally means rule by people and has positive connotations. If you add more and more rule by people, eventually you get communism.

            • @Kedly@lemm.ee
              link
              fedilink
              11
              edit-2
              3 months ago

              Tbh, after dealing with Tankies on Lemmy for the past half year, I can understand why the red scares happened (understanding =/= agreeing with). With normal facists and bigots, you can tell they are assholes pretty much at a glance, but Tankies meanwhile seem nice and caring at first glance, but are salivating at the chance to violently revolutionize you

              • @force@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                12
                edit-2
                3 months ago

                The Red Scare happened because it threatened the American ruling class, and America wasn’t occupied by Nazis in WW2 so they didn’t have the experience of being liberated by mostly leftist rebels. Immediately after WW2, communists and socialists were seen as liberators who freed various countries from Nazi rule, even in the UK where Winston Churchill lost re-election partly due to him going all-in on anti-communism (which the people didn’t like). As a result, Europeans were a lot friendlier to communism and were more open to adopting socialist policies. The US was both the leading capitalist power AND it was very distanced/separated from the oppression and rebellion against the Nazis, so they just saw communists as a threat.

                • @Kedly@lemm.ee
                  link
                  fedilink
                  73 months ago

                  Yes, I understand the history and the political motivation, my point on Tankies being fucked in a kind of scary way still stands however

          • @dethedrus@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            link
            fedilink
            53 months ago

            If your goal is to help the proletariat and not to create a oligopoly (or kleptocracy) then you’re aces in my book for what little it’s worth.

          • @Socsa@sh.itjust.works
            link
            fedilink
            4
            edit-2
            3 months ago

            Anyone reading this should know that this is a lie, and you can easily look at the logs yourself. Better yet, the broader body of my post history should illustrate that I am not a troll. My bans from .ml have nothing to do with xenophobia of any kind, and this is a perfect example of how .ml trolls abuse this kind of language to censor even very mild dissent. And the irony of the name calling in there just perfectly illustrates how these trolls are used to special treatment, double standards and protection on their home instance. Chef’s kiss

            It’s actually pretty hilarious that you took the time to write all that out but didn’t bother citing any of my own words which produced said bans. I think we all understand why.

              • @Socsa@sh.itjust.works
                link
                fedilink
                5
                edit-2
                3 months ago

                I rest my case.

                If I made this exact comment on .ml, I’d get banned for the name calling and mild sarcasm alone.

                It is nice to know I’ve got fans, at least. You all know you are rapidly becoming a joke in the fediverse. I can just feel the seethe and cope. I guess you can either do better, or keep impotently trolling, and banning everyone who makes fun of you.

      • AnyOldName3
        link
        fedilink
        153 months ago

        Tankies are advocating for the USSR, with any eventual communist utopia being optional.

      • @el_bhm@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        143 months ago

        Cue in Omaega Haxor and Yoghurt jumping in to appologize for Putin and North Korea.

  • magic_lobster_party
    link
    fedilink
    1023 months ago

    That wasn’t real communism. Everybody’s equal under real communism.

    Hetero people would get executed too!