Isn’t it that Old Ben was thinking of highly trained clones and had pretty much no stormtrooper experience in decades?
Like, he’d been living in a hunting the middle of a desert for 20 years intentionally staying away from anything dangerous.
As usual the fans come up with a great answer to explain away poor writing.
There’s gawd damn laser swords, I’ll rationalize anything else I need to.
It’s still real to me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yvd3aEsThbc
Or people are too dumb to understand decent writing. The storm troopers destroyed the rebels in the opening scene. They killed almost every fighter in the battle of Yavin. The only time they didn’t perform well is when intentionally letting Leia escape. Sure there’s plot armor, but there’s also an explanation for a lot of it.
They also sucked in Mos Eisley. They aren’t trying to let them escape, nor are they trying to take them alive or anything like that. They completely give up the element of surprise by loudly shouting “blast them!” and then fail to hit anything despite having an entire squad of troops ready to open up on them.
That said, ESB shows them as being competent, and the only shots they miss are from long range and against targets with good cover. Sadly, the same cannot be said of ROTJ, as basically everything the empire does on Endor is idiotic and makes them look incompetent.
For Leia, Vader had set the Stormtroopers on ‘Stun’.
They mean when they escape the death star and rescue Leia in ANH. Vader explicitly says he ordered to let them escape so they could be tracked to Yavin 4.
Another instance of explaining plot armor.
Actually, i was making a StarTrek joke.
Or maybe you don’t understand the difference?
Clone troopers were highly trained and sometimes specialist trained clones of jango.
In the other hand, storm troopers are human “recruits” that are trained by suboptimal clones or left over clone troopers.
They are entirely different armies that were parts of mostly entirely different wars.
and you HONESTLY think that was the plan at the time? That the storm troopers he was thinking of was the clone wars? That was already canon back then?
Or…did he just say ‘clone wars’ because it sounds spiffy and Lucas had absolutely zero thought put into it past that?
Sure why not? The universe he created was meant to be explored and opened up, he specifically avoided hemming himself into situations. They did a good job avoiding most retconning until Disney took over.
Sure lots was made up, but that’s literally what fiction is, so why are you upset about it…? Lmfao. This wasn’t a universe that was created for him like most other stories, it was a universe for others. Not everyone is going to understand the difference unfortunately though.
He was also general during the war and led platoons of clone troopers, he knew what they were capable of first hand.
ah…you are taking this as an attack. thats why you think I’m upset. It’s all stupid fun dude. Pointing out stupid shit is just part of the fun. I like the movies as much as most of the people here.
But my original point stands. Lucas always just kinda…said things. Then the fans come along and (mostly in the books that don’t count anymore) worked within what he said to flesh shit out for real. Then of course the prequel trilogy came out and he made up more shit to fit with what he said before. Some neat, like making the clone wars tie into the storm troopers…some we do not speak of.
It’s not an attack on your fandom and nobody is upset :)
People who just say he didn’t think of x y or z back than, kinda miss the point, he thought ahead enough to leave it open to interpretation. So yeah it kinda is an attack, when you miss the authors intentions and inject your own…
Ah…well if you take it as an attack on your fandom I’m sorry my man. Maybe just try not to take these things so seriously? It was all stupid fun that you are trying to turn serious.
The plan at the time was what the film explicitly said. They were devastatingly effective at taking the Tantive IV. They were devastatingly effective at destroying the sandcrawler (to the point that they couldn’t disguise it as having been attacked by sand people). They were devastatingly effective at nearly hitting the protagonists enough times that they believed they were being shot at for real, when actually they were just being herded onto a ship with a tracker on it so they’d reveal the location of the rebel base they’d spend the first half the film failing to threaten or torture out of Leia. They were devastatingly effective at destroying the rebel’s attack force against the Death Star, and were seconds away from destroying Yavin IV and the rebel base on it when someone used supposedly-extinct space magic to make what the film had previously described as an impossible shot against a tiny target.
The only time they miss is when the film says they did so on purpose.
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Not just shit writing, but some of the worst.
It’s wild the mental gymnastics people go through to convince themselves this series is good.
In A New Hope, the only time stormtroopers miss is when they do so intentionally, when they’re chasing the protagonists off the Death Star, and onto the Millenium Falcon, which has been fitted with a tracking device which they know will be taken straight to the rebel base. They easily overwhelm the guards on the Tantive IV at the beginning of the film even when only a few of them have made it through the breached airlock. The myth that stormtroopers miss comes from people not noticing the scene where Tarkin discusses intentionally letting the rebels escape so they can follow the tracking device back to their base.
It’s sad that we don’t really get to see Stormtroopers at their peak outside of that one scene on the Tantive IV and that Disney nu-canon has essentially embraced the meme of them being inaccurate.
I think the way the story is constructed clashes with the way movies are filmed for entertainment. We are explicitly told that the Stormtroopers are a force to be feared, and shown that exactly one time, but the narrative requires a bunch of nameless faceless mooks for the heroes to mow down during their action scenes because that’s more entertaining, so the Stormtroopers fill both roles and it gets muddled along the way.
As for the Tusken sniper who took out Teemto on the podracing circuit, I’d chalk that up to a lucky shot. There were a few of them shooting, and it was a target rich environment, an he was the only one to get nailed in the engine and suffer a catastrophic failure despite it being a multi-lap race.
Regarding this I always wondered how Jedi are able to turn on/off their Jedi power in order to avoid being detected for so long
I’m no star wars nerd, but if it’s midiochlorians, then they’re everywhere already.
If the Jedi isn’t using/communing with them, it just blends into the background noise.
So when they went into hiding, they went to cities where it got lost in the noise, or incredibly isolated where one Jedi still wouldnt register on a planet wide scale even if it’s Yoda.
Like, as long as they weren’t in the space version of a subdivision, they wouldn’t stick out. It had to be one extreme or another.
The ahsoka novel actually partly covers this. Ben basically went into some form of deep meditation for decades.
Is there any indication that force sensitive people can be detected at a distance at all?
There are suggestions in Legends. The cave near Yoda is full of the dark side, and with Yoda living there, it looks neutral from a distance. There’s also a device found that can scan someone and show their “force aura”.
Disney canon hasn’t gone that route. You can do a blood test for midichlorians. Jedi might be able to intuit someone’s force sensitivity by watching and testing them (as a Bad Batch episode recently did). But there’s nothing to indicate force sensitives can be detected at a distance, either by trained force sensitives or by technology.
But at the same time, you had a lot of moments where Jedi felt the death of a loved one, or where Anakin Ahsoka/Obi-Wan/Yoda felt him going to the dark side.
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They spend a lot of time practicing to expand their mind and feel the Force. It’s probably not too hard to figure out how to go the other way
Sith have been doing it for eons.
I haven’t watched Ahsoka or Kenobi yet (probably never will… for either) but wouldn’t one of those have resulted in Obi-Wan being familiar with stormtroopers over clone troopers?
But also, watch stuff like Andor or Rogue One or even some of the more OT-era animations. Stormtroopers are still terrifying if you aren’t a protagonist with plot armor (that I guess is subconsciously using The Force to deflect shots). And this would have been less of a high stress battle and more an ambush/execution.
But also? Obi-Wan is clearly kind of a manipulative asshole. He took Anakin’s son and basically trained him into an assassin to neutralize Vader and stop Palpatine. He also specifically did not tell Luke to maybe not have the hots for the cute princess hologram that he 100% knew was his twin sister.
Why would he say “Well, this could have been an ambush by those random people who have a history of ambushing stuff and fucking shit up?” versus “oh yeah. This is The Empire. You should totally go stop Vader”. Also, he might be aware of the ethnic cleansing that Anakin did against the Tuskens and is extra trying to avoid a repeat of that.
Maybe he was worried that Luke would go down the same path his father would, so he kept things vague. That was always my take on Old Ben – he wasn’t really guiding Luke to do anything, it was the Force. “Luke, your father was actually a dangerous madman who slew younglings. In fact, is the right hand man, that academy you were joining? It’s Space Fascism, so definitely don’t go and join it to be with your father.” lol
On the topic of the other two – Personally, I liked Kenobi. It has some sillier bits, but nothing IMO that isn’t easily explained (as an example, there’s a scene where young Leia is chased by mercenaries and she kinda dunks on them. People hate it. I think it was a clear example of her Force Sensitivity, so I don’t mind it at all.) Its main shortcoming for me was the villains could have been better and Reva was a bit predictable. I didn’t think she was as bad as the Internet did.
Ahsoka… I wanted to like. It had a lot of potential, most of my issues were that it seemed like they were filming a video game, but since we’re not playing Ahsoka we end up just watching her interact with things we have no meaning for. Other than that, it was decent save for what they did to Sabine, which was just a disgrace to her character. Sabine was disappointing, over and over again. Overall, I think it has been my least favorite of the Star Wars shows as it has had the most visible quirks and awkward shots.
As a continuation of that story it’s pretty decent and I’m excited for S2. But as a continuation of that story, the characters were not as strong as I felt they could have been. Time passed and people change, that’s fine. This wasn’t quite that though.
Even if that’s true, it doesn’t change the point the bottom image is making.
That he was underestimating the Sand People?
Doesnt it becomes clear pretty soon that he was underestimating the Sand People in general?
Like, legit asking, it’s been at least a decade since I watched it.
But the way I remembered it was Obi overestimating stormtroopers because he lead an elite squad of clone troopers, and underestimating the primitive natives, because in any fight with him and troopers against them, they wouldn’t stand a chance.
Also highlighting how much has changed since he was involved in such things.
Like, just because a character thinks something, doesn’t make it true. Obi is an unreliable narrator, but viewers are in Luke’s perspective thinking Obi has all that answers.
Just from a story telling perspective it makes sense. And is far from the only example.
Depends if you watched the Obi Wan show or not I guess
Their accuracy varies
2/4 aren’t storm troopers?
but all of them are the bad guys (although the separatists weren’t necessarily that bad, especially compared to the empire)
It’s funny how people miss the whole message behind the movies
The senate was corrupt and the separatists wanted to put an end to it, which is definitely a good cause but then their leader was a sith so yeah… Let’s just say there aren’t any good guys except for Obi-Wan of course.
Of course
Worth watching this from The Mandalorian
The troopers in scene 1 of a New Hope were pretty scary.
Thought they wanted them to escape the death star so they could track the ship.
The stormtroopers definitely killed people without plot armor in every episode
Well, everyone knows that Mandalorian armor has special properties to it that attracts laser bolts.
That’s why it has to be so much stronger than other armor.
It was an inside job. Obi Wan paid the Sand People to kill the Jawas and Luke’s auncle and aunt so that Luke will follow him to become a Jedi. Remember, the Sand People thinks Obi Wan is a mythical monster/god.
> but but Obi Wan is a good guy!
No! Obi Wan has shown in the Prequels to be a sly manipulative guy. He justifies everything by “looking at it from a certain point of view”. He lied to Luke about Vader too. He’s also not above mind controlling " weak minded" muggles. All the pieces line up. Wake up banthaples!
He also does some pretty shady stuff in the Clone Wars series. It’s used to help better explain the rift between him and Anakin in Revenge of the Sith
Yeah but didn’t it take him like 8 tries? He shot at them every circuit but only hit a crit shot on the last lap.
You make that shot and tell me if 8 tries seems like too many.
Reminds me of my time playing Rising Storm 2, having a mosin (long, obselecent bolt action rifle) and taking way more than 8 shots at passing helicopters. I nailed a pilot in the head from pure luck and he commented on how cool/bullshit it was
That’s still pretty good…
Yeah but the more shots required the lower the skill ceiling.
I’m not saying it wasn’t a good shot I’m saying at that point with the amount of attempts it could be just as much blind luck as skill
Precise, not accurate. They just always miss in the same way
and their holes are exactly as they need to be. Very precise, horribly on the accuracy front.
Colonial bias. Once you see it…
He’s being sarcastic. Then this dialog starts making sense.
Or just racist.
“Those dirty Sand People could never be this precise!”
Or he’s just trying to impress some local farm boy who knows nothing about the galaxy, the ways of the force, or sand people.
They’re looking at random pot shots on the side of a gigantic sand crawler. Were those shots even precise? It seemed like they hit armor and did fuck all for the most part until one dude randomly got lucky and hit the gas tank or something.
There was an event in between these two scenes that wiped out all the sand people with good aim, I can’t think of it though…
Not just the men with good aim…
Yeah this is me taking Phantom Menace story lines over the One And Only Star Wars movie:
Duuuhhhh d’duerrrr doiiiiiiiyyyyy bbbbrrthhhhbtb
Look man, I like the Holiday special too, but there’s no need to be mean about the other obviously inferior movies.
Yeah this is me taking Phantom Menace story lines over the One And Only Star Wars movie:
Aight with you so far
Duuuhhhh d’duerrrr doiiiiiiiyyyyy bbbbrrthhhhbtb
Not a fucking clue how this is supposed to sound
Not a fucking clue how this is supposed to sound
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Is that your JarJar impression?
Who’s JarJar.
I like Star Wars. Not that other stuff.
Okay Holiday Special, obvs, but that’s different.
Both Ewok TV movies?
Oh god no
Maybe he lived nearby a banished group of Sand People, who were banished by the other tribes because they couldn’t aim and shoot well.
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