Party of small government my fucking ass. Also, isn’t the free market allowed to produce any product and compete for consumer spending? Isn’t that capitalism?
Desantis is literally pushing these laws and screaming woke while pocketing millions of dollars of “donations” from the large cattle ranching companies throughout the state. Hell, he started attacking Disney once they stopped paying him millions in bribes too. Disney’s disagreement with the dont say gay bill was the perfect excuse
It’s all bad faith arguments. They just use it as a weapon to get their way. Although, this reeks of corporate regulatory capture.
No.
Capitalism is when certain industries and certain corporations amass such a market share that they are able to bribe legislatures to prohibit any competitors to their product, under force of law.
Similar to the exertion of influence by noble families under feudalism.
If our democracy has already been captured by such corporate actors, then it is difficult to imagine how “remembering to vote” could meaningfully correct such deep systemic flaw. Emigrating to Norway seems to be one of a handful of plausible remaining options
Small government means making it ILLEGAL to be Vegan or Vegetarian!
Almost like “small government” was just a bullshit excuse to cut social services and avoid regulating against the unchecked greed and exploitation of wealthy executives, not something they genuinely believed.
Yeah, I think of it as a critical thinking short circuit mechanism. It’s a means of justifying any policy to their voters without actually having to list its merits or defend any harm it does. The voter thinks “smaller government = more freedom and more money for me” and their brain stops there.
Small minded government.
They want to force out everyone to the left of Matt gaetz so they never have to worry about pesky liberal voters ever again. If they could round up every registered Democrat and drop them off in California or new York, they fucking would.
Stand your ground beef, and the cattle doctrine, are important concepts in the south.
You should try reading the article before commenting. The “fake meat” they are referring to is lab grown from the living cells of animals not vegetable amalgamations made to imitate meat.
The “fake meat” they are referring to is lab grown from the living cells of animals not vegetable amalgamations made to imitate meat.
Depending on an individual’s reasons for following a vegan or vegetarian diet, lab-grown meat may very well be okay.
If their reasons are nutrition based, sure, they should avoid lab-grown meat.
If their reasons are based in the ethics of raising animals for slaughter, factory farming, or the carbon footprint and/or food and water waste involved in raising an entire animal just for parts of it to be food, then lab-grown meat might be fine in their mind.
From the little I’ve seen of discussions, it depends on the implementation. I haven’t looked at the details yet, but apparently there are some groups who require at least an initial animal biopsy, and I think someone said something about some growth mediums requiring animal exploitation as well.
Then there’s the animal testing side of things.
Since both health and animal rights matter to me, I have no interest in consuming the stuff. If a commercially viable company emerges that can make these meats without any animal exploitation or suffering though, then I might recommend them to others.
From the little I’ve seen of discussions, it depends on the implementation. I haven’t looked at the details yet, but apparently there are some groups who require at least an initial animal biopsy, and I think someone said something about some growth mediums requiring animal exploitation as well.
Then there’s the animal testing side of things.
Since both health and animal rights matter to me, I have no interest in consuming the stuff. If a commercially viable company emerges that can make these meats without any animal exploitation or suffering though, then I might recommend them to others.
I respect this position.
At a certain point I wonder if it will start to seem similar to what I say to anti-choicers (specifically the ones who believe killing an embryo is murder) about drugs developed using embryonic stem cell channels. If years from now they’re still growing off of an initial biopsy taken years before, then the initial harm done is surely outweighed by the harm reduction that came from it. That is to say, a reduction in factory farming and animal slaughter is worth a biopsy. Or even an initial slaughter.
Just like I would encourage my anti-choice family members to get their vaccines and continue to take ibuprofen (and basically every other drug, because most use stem cell lines in their development), I would encourage vegans and vegetarians at the very least not to oppose lab grown meat. But of course you can eat whatever you want.
(Obviously I am not saying you have to agree with me, this is just where I might fall depending on the realities that are eventually reached with lab-grown meat.)
Yeah, to be honest there really is no consensus about this within vegan communities. I would say from an ethical stand point, the biggest thing would be if a company is continually abusing animals in their processes. And animal testing is a difficult subject too, because virtually every food has been subjected to animal testing.
I do think it’s also worth mentioning that plants really are perfectly fine to center a diet around, in and of themselves. I had a really difficult time transitioning to a plant-based diet because addiction is in my genes. But at the same time I was at a place in my life where my health was declining fast, I felt like shit all the time, and I was having to force myself to eat every day. I hated food. But after I got used to eating 100% plants, all of that completely changed. I felt better than I ever had. My arthritis-like symptoms (and other inflammatory problems) completely vanished. I had all kinds of energy that I never used to. And as I got better at cooking plant based and found good places to eat, I actually fell in love with food again. Plants are fucking great.
It’s only a slippery slope because they coated it with lard.
Worse. This is government deciding what you can eat. This is actual socialism (not the workers decide means of production kind though). Ron’s done this before with stocks.
So, not actual socialism then.
You might need a dictionary
We’ll, I guess that means lab-grown meat is showing promise! I look forward to seeing it in stores.
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I’m so fucking sick of the Florida government. House insurance is astronomical, but they’re worried about lab-grown meat, teachers saying gay, and books.
Think of them a bit like a friend with a drug problem. They gotta ride this train all the way to the bottom before there will be any interest in change.
Man, for a party that talks about freedoms, they sure love taking them away. As long as their followers still have gun rights, fuck everything else.
No, they’re very much not allowed to fuck everything else. They are allowed to fuck one thing in very specific circumstances (age not being one of them)
Politics is bout ideology, value and belief. But here, it’s about making decisions by dogmatism and cult. This is a whole different level.
Alabama also passed a bill to ban the sale and manufacturing of it, making it a Class C felony.
What in the fuck is going on in these guys heads. I get being beholden to the cattle industry but this shit is beyond that
It’s about pushing all the people who live there and disagree with the Republican agenda.
They are actually that fragile.
They probably have their identities tied to meat consumption. That’s also a reason for the climate denialism. I recently learned about petro-masculinity and it seems very plausible to me.
The same people believed margarine was a grave socialist (iirc) threat to the country and made the production and sale of that a felony. I think around a century ago. Something, something, those who neglect to learn history, something something…
Don’t bring up partially hydrogenated vegetable oil here. You’re gonna jinx us and make fake meat kill everybody.
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Republicans have never been for free market capitalism really. They just talk like they were, but in reality the only difference is that they’re corrupted by a different set of corporations.
Real free markets are too much for the voters to handle, apparently.
Well, unions are actually highly regulated in the US. It was never about “small government”, it’s about using the government as a cudgel against who they don’t like, which is practically everyone below a billion net worth, and even some above.
Oh, but don’t tell them about the house insurance rates, that’s a problem for their constituency, not them.
The whole Republican establishment agenda right now is to do the white Christian version of Sharia Law.
Always has been.
So far Florida seems to be a good shooter when it comes to its own foot. Make Diznee illegal, abortion illegal, abortion pill, tofu meat. What’s next? Smoothies?
Let’s make an allegory to porn and prostitution that George Carlin made some years back… Selling is legal, fucking is legal, do why can’t selling fucking also be legal?
Banana is legal, orange is legal, so why can’t a smoothie be legal? The answer is “Florida!”
Not a Florida supporter here, but the article is not about tofu meat:
Over the last several months, Florida legislators have been quietly working to ban — and criminalize — the production and sale of cell-cultivated meat across the state
Even more stupid then. And what exactly is tofu meat?
TSP, possibly. Textured soy protein. It’s a passable substitute for some meats in some situations.
Tofu is made essentially the same way cheese curds are made, but using beans instead of dairy. It produces the iconic brick of compressed bean protein (and sometimes calcium depending on what catalyst is used). It’s existed for something like 2000 years, and Ben Franklin may have played a role in bringing it to the US.
TVP is very different. It involves using solvents like hexane to remove most everything from the bean except the protein, and generally results in small amorphous chunks of material, or even tiny bits that are used as an alternative to ground up muscle tissues.
Personally I like vital wheat gluten, also like tofu. I’ve not had TVP I don’t think.
Florida is taking away the freedom of any person to eat whatever they want? Is anyone surprised?
I wanna get one of those cigarette boats and smuggle abortion pills and alternative meat into Florida and trans people out.
It’ll be black with a red racing stripe and a spoiler like the A Team van and I’ll name it the Baracus.
Can I join you? I will bring one two and we can start the freedom floatilla.
The fun part is the coast guard won’t care.
Always with the lame anecdotal argument that sounds like it came from a drunk idiot.
I love how humans try their hardest to cut down on the amount of destruction they cause only for other humans to villainize and tear them down at every turn.
Florida state Rep. Tyler Sirois, the Republican who introduced a similar bill, HB 1071, told Politico that his major motivation is protecting the cattle industry. “Farming and cattle are incredibly important industries to Florida,” Sirois stated, adding, "So I think this is a very relevant discussion for our state to have.”
I don’t agree with him on the policy, but I’ll give him this: that’s more honest than most people advocating for creating protectionist barriers to protect incumbent food producers that I’ve seen.
Usually there’s something about how it’s potentially deadly or maybe waving around “concerns” about whether there’d be food security in a global famine or something.
It’s also a very stupid take. If that’s what he thinks, then he should finance farms that transition from growing animals to growing whatever is needed in this more modern and civilised world, like high protein legumes and that sort of stuff used in producing new generation foods.
He also thinks it’s an affront to nature and creation that could lead to cloning, so yeah…
Wow that’s extremely anti capitalist and still sucks ass
Bravo to this guy, sucking in exactly all ways
By this logic, Florida should criminalize cars to protect the carriage industry
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It cuts into the meat industry’s profits and is primarily desired by liberals
Not destroying the planet and killing sentient beings is “woke”, so they have to oppose it.
One bite and, bam, your transmexican.
What’s wrong with my transmexican?
Its an affront in the eyes of republijesus.
Got to remember that one… It’ll come in handy for years to come!
Because they are free market Republicans. /s
Because they need to keep the kill count high otherwise some other demon will surpass them.
“Furthermore, on this day, henceforth shall it be known:
If it ain’t moo, cain’t moo, won’t moo, ain’t not never gonna moo, and can’t make you moo, then it is of the devil and shall not be permitted.
Also, the words ‘front loaf’ are not permissible descriptions of the governor’s crotchetal regions.
Let it be law. “
In fairness to them it’s not meat. Don’t ban it just label it appropriately, like sparkling protein.
How is it not meat?
