Weapons used in earlier Israeli strikes into Lebanon that have killed civilians have been found to be U.S.-made.
  • BestBouclettes@jlai.luEnglish
    73·
    2 months ago

    Lebanese civilians and Lebanese homes are Hezbollah. It worked in Gaza, why wouldn’t it work in Lebanon.

  • Andy@slrpnk.netEnglish
    54·
    2 months ago

    You know what would to be really, REALLY uncomfortable?

    If Harris loses, there’s a strong chance that it might be over this terrible war. What a stupid, stupid reason to have to live through another Trump presidency.

    • MinFapper@startrek.websiteEnglish
      27·
      2 months ago

      What a stupid, stupid reason to have to live through another Trump presidency and continue the war unchanged.

      FTFY

      • proleEnglish
        15·
        2 months ago

        No. It will be so much worse.

      • YeetPics@mander.xyzEnglish
        8·
        2 months ago

        Nah, your boy trump promises to end the war in mere hours (with industrial genocide).

        So let’s not vote for kkkamala harriss because we care so much about Palestinians.

        • volodya_ilich@lemm.eeEnglish
          9·
          2 months ago

          The genocide in Gaza is bipartisan, and the ongoing atrocities are taking place under a democrat administration.

          • Mac@mander.xyzEnglish
            8·
            2 months ago

            If it’s bipartisan then you are free to vote based on other issues.

              • YeetPics@mander.xyzEnglish
                3·
                2 months ago

                Go fight with Hamas if you’re so emboldened to direct action.

                You won’t, of course.

                Your “totally rational and justified” calls for voting differently surely will fix the situation on the other side of the planet. You’re totally saving the Palestinians!

                • volodya_ilich@lemm.eeEnglish
                  5·
                  2 months ago

                  the situation on the other side of the planet

                  Not so far down the planet when it’s your government funding the genocide, giving the perpetrators their political legitimacy in the international sphere, and literally shipping the weapons with which the genocide is carried out.

                  go fight with hamas

                  Go make a counter-reactionary terrorist insurgency or political group in the US if you’re so concerned about the other types of rights you’ll lose if Trump gets into office

          • AngryCommieKender@lemmy.worldEnglish
            4·
            2 months ago

            Harris has promised to enforce the laws of the US. If she does do, then The Hayes Act would prohibit any arms shipments to Israel. I’m not saying that is definitely what she intends to do, I am saying that is the most diplomatic she can be in the current political climate of the US, and still win, with the intention of deescalation in Israel while still supporting Ukraine.

            • volodya_ilich@lemm.eeEnglish
              5·
              2 months ago

              The party is literally in the government right now. Biden is a rotting corpse who is obviously not making the decisions for US international policy, so the arm deals with Israel are with the full consent and approval of all the democrat elites. Harris won’t change this as it hasn’t changed for the past 80 years.

                • volodya_ilich@lemm.eeEnglish
                  3·
                  2 months ago

                  Harris openly said in the DNC convention that she believes in “Israel’s right to defend itself”, while not letting any pro-palestinian talk in the convention (cops had a representative though). It’s painfully obvious.

    • buddascrayon@lemmy.worldEnglish
      12·
      2 months ago

      Israel wants Trump. They know that Trump will supercharge their campaign and they are counting on Jill Stein to siphon off votes from Harris. That’s why they’ve upped their campaign like this. They are goading Stein to get more press and convince more liberal voters. Because they know that, due to the significant democrat base that unreservedly supports Israel no matter what they do, Harris will never pull her support while campaigning but they are sure that if she wins Biden and she will start playing hardball to get them to stop and they don’t want to stop, they want to wipe out all Palestinians. This has been a stated goal of theirs. And Trump and the Republicans will help them do it more than Harris will.

      • Andy@slrpnk.netEnglish
        2·
        2 months ago

        I’m sorry, but this narrative so completely exonerates Biden and Harris for their direct responsibility for risking the election over this.

        The notion that Harris is in a bind is an absolute fiction. The overwhelming majority of Americans want an arms embargo with Israel. It has broad bipartisan support, including with an overwhelming majority of Democrats. And in top of that, she chose to not even let a popular Palestinian American lawmaker from Georgia give a vetted speech endorsing her at the DNC.

        She is risking this election. That is a personal choice. I hope she wins, but if she loses because she didn’t have votes she made clear she doesn’t want, that is not on Jill Stein, that’s a Harris decision.

    • MisterScruffy@lemmy.mlEnglish
      10·
      2 months ago

      The harris campaign is openly hostile to the anti-war anti-genocide vote. They are not interested in trying to get our votes. If they make the calculation that they need the anti-war vote to win they will try to appeal to us but they have decided (so far) that they don’t want us and don’t need us.

      Don’t blame us for not voting for a candidate who doesn’t want our vote and is actively hostile to our position.

      • hobovision@lemm.eeEnglish
        9·
        2 months ago

        So you have three options, all having a bad outcome on the most important thing you care about.

        One of the options maybe has better outcomes on some other things you care about.

        Another option has bad outcomes in almost everything you care about, plus maybe even a worse outcome to your most important thing.

        The third option is to leave it up everyone else to pick between the first two.

        I know what I’d pick, what will you do?

        • volodya_ilich@lemm.eeEnglish
          6·
          2 months ago

          You’re absolutely ignoring their comment. If democrat voters showed a spine and conditioned their vote to an end to the genocide, the democrat leadership may decide that it’s worth it to cater to these voters to win the elections if that’s what they want. By enabling all their actions through “vote blue no matter who” you’re just degrading the democracy further, and postponing the choice 4 more years during which nothing will happen.

          • Soggy@lemmy.worldEnglish
            6·
            2 months ago

            “If we hold the country hostage, they’ll definitely do what I want before the opposition makes everything irreversibly worse.”

            • volodya_ilich@lemm.eeEnglish
              3·
              2 months ago

              “let’s blame voters for wanting to vote against genocide instead of blaming the party which is committing genocide and openly speaking of having the most LETHAL army in the world”

        • MisterScruffy@lemmy.mlEnglish
          3·
          2 months ago

          The only two real options are both pro genocide, pro military industrial complex which tells me this country is fucked there’s nothing I can do to help that. All I can do is follow my conscience and my conscience won’t let me rest if I vote for genocide

      • Andy@slrpnk.netEnglish
        5·
        2 months ago

        I agree with all of that. Except for the part about possibly appealing to the anti-war voter if it would help them win. There are some – Biden for instance – who clearly would rather lose than do that. I don’t know Harris well enough to judge.

        I think it’s sad that people complain when someone says that they won’t vote for the lesser of two evils. It’s sad because it shows a profound misunderstanding about how democracy is supposed to work, and what they’re entitled to demand from their fellow citizens.

        The largest voting block in every election is the depressed voter. And the reason is that our system is constructed to favor a broken two-party system even at the expense of civil participation that can solve our problems. Millions of people don’t vote because they see no benefit in doing so. The problem to be solved is that the political system has failed these people, not that they aren’t showing sufficient enthusiasm to do paperwork to satisfy the demands of people who feel invested in the outcome of elections.

        The media falsely claims that each candidate has 47% support when really they each have about 30% support, and a larger number of people have not felt any interest in supporting either candidate. That’s a massive failing in reporting and political process.

    • mightyfoolish@lemmy.worldEnglish
      10·
      2 months ago

      unchanged

      Getting worse means changes are required… Trump wouldn’t make anything better but there is no reason to suggest Harris wants to make things better.

      • OccamsTeapot@lemmy.worldEnglish
        28·
        2 months ago

        Putin is a cunt and Russia’s war of aggression in Ukraine must be stopped.

        If I was on Russia’s payroll that should be enough to get me arrested or at least fired.

        So either I’m risking my safety OOOOORRRR not everyone opposed to Biden’s support for Israel is a Russian bot. Golly gosh I wonder which one it is

        • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3·
          2 months ago

          If I was on Russia’s payroll that should be enough to get me arrested or at least fired.

          You don’t need to be on Russia’s payroll to spew pro-Putin talking points. Plenty of American oligarchs will foot the bill.

          So either I’m risking my safety

          Its so crazy to be listening to a podcast interview with Daniel Santiago while reading this.

          • OccamsTeapot@lemmy.worldEnglish
            13·
            2 months ago

            You don’t need to be on Russia’s payroll to spew pro-Putin talking points

            You know, if criticizing killing is a “pro-Putin talking point,” then pro Putin talking points clearly aren’t always bad? Should I be in favour of murder to really show how much I hate Putin? Literally what the fuck are you talking about

            I agree with Putin that the sky is blue too. I’m expecting my rubles in the mail any day now.

            • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
              7·
              2 months ago

              You know, if criticizing killing is a “pro-Putin talking point,” then pro Putin talking points clearly aren’t always bad?

              If they are Pro-Putin, they must be bad. Or possibly an evil trick, trying to fool me into thinking Russians aren’t a D&D monster race that is ontological evil.

              Should I be in favour of murder to really show how much I hate Putin?

              I mean, the real irony of all this is in how politically tight Putin and Netanyahu have been over the last twenty years. What’s more, the over 80k Russian Jews migrating to Israel since the start of Russia-Ukraine hostilities have been at the forefront of the Israeli settler movement over the same period of time.

              So… you could kinda sorta see a line between these two countries and their respective wars on their neighbors.

              But that kind of analysis sends pro-Israel / anti-Russia journalists into a confused and angry spiral. So we go out of our way to avoid conflating these conflicts at every opportunity.

              I agree with Putin that the sky is blue too. I’m expecting my rubles in the mail any day now.

              Сила есть, ума не надо

      • mlg@lemmy.worldEnglish
        16·
        2 months ago

        Liberal DNC shills when Americans don’t blindly support a centrist corporate lobby party in disguise:

        • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
          4·
          2 months ago

          Sarcasm.

          But we’re posting under a link to The Intercept. I’m surprised we don’t have more folks saying it sincerely, given how critical the paper has been of the Biden administration.

          • OccamsTeapot@lemmy.worldEnglish
            4·
            2 months ago

            Ah I see. Usually I’m not in favour of the sarcasm tag (ruins the joke) but it would have really helped here, lol.

    • Chainweasel@lemmy.worldEnglish
      20·
      2 months ago

      Late October, Netanyahu will do whatever he can to help Trump win.

      Let’s not forget that they bailed on ceasefire talks a few weeks ago because former president, and private citizen, Donald Trump violated the Logan Act by calling Netanyahu and telling him not to accept the ceasefire.

    • Jyek@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      1·
      2 months ago

      We didn’t call WW1 a world war until america joined 3 years into the European war. The second world war wasn’t called that until after the war had formally ended. Who knows.

  • hobovision@lemm.eeEnglish
    4·
    2 months ago

    Cut your nose to spite your face then. You’ll keep paying for genocide even if you won’t “vote for it.”

    The things you can do are support groups and politicians that will push the country in the direction you want it to move. Really think about what action (or inaction) does for the things that matter to you. You have an opportunity to do something to help reduce overall suffering and make the country and world a slightly better place.

    • volodya_ilich@lemm.eeEnglish
      6·
      2 months ago

      The things you can do are support groups and politicians that will push the country in the direction you want it to move

      So voting the greens is good because they’re moving the country in the direction of non-genocide? I’m European myself, but I don’t see how anyone could vote for the party whose candidate, during an ongoing genocide, says that “defends the right of Israel to defend itself” and claims that the US should have “the most lethal” fighting force in the world. Not most efficient, not most effective, not best funded: most LETHAL.

    • JaggedRobotPubes@lemmy.worldEnglish
      6·
      2 months ago

      Keep fat loser hitler out of office, squelch the attempted insurrection from his loser brigade, and bust the absolute balls out of the saner party to get ranked choice voting implemented so we can have more substantial changes.