That sounds absurd. There is easily 5000 regular shoppers in a grocery store. Plus people buying there irregularly. They would need to reliably identify every single one of them, with face recognition only having 80-90% accuracy. and If we talk 5$ missacounted per shoppinge once a week that is 4 years of shopping.
The amount of data needed to be stored and analysed for that is insane.
And then we are not even at the point, where they can prove theft on every single instance, because they need to prove that the system did not malfunction, or a simple user error occured.
i’ll believe it, when i see the first convictions coming out of it. On a side note, AI face recording all your customers and for years storing exact data, when they came and went, what they bought and ehat they alledgedly have stolen would be extremely illegal in the EU.
Not in the US and on private property. You wave all privacy rights when you enter their store.
Also in public places as well.
Want privacy, stay home in the US… Just saying…
Are you being sarcastic? There is 1 person manning 10 checkouts and cameras that aren’t monitored. As someone who worked in the Front End of a grocery store for many years, I can tell you that they don’t have the resources to keep track of 99% of theft.
It’s a thing, but not for what everyone is talking about. Walmart LP in problem stores is intense and for serial shoplifters they will actually track… but it usually only takes two trips because they are stealing electronics or some shit. They aren’t counting in ten dollar increments items skipped in the self checkout one trip at a time lol.
Walmart has AI keeping track of theft at self checkout. They don’t use that as a basis for in-person stops, but they still record it.
And they have a small team of plainclothes people looking at camerad and sometimes straight up following people around the store.
Speaking of cameras, in addition to regular cameras, in the big metro areas there are around twenty 360 degree cameras that can see across the entire store at any time, even when playing back a recording. If you have line of sight, it sees you.
I am mostly just familiar with Kroger’s LP, but in my experience their loss prevention is pretty ineffective. They have a lot of cameras installed, but they aren’t being constantly monitored. There are actually only a handful of loss prevention personnel, and they spend the majority of their time walking around in stores. They will occasionally catch someone trying to steal a whole cart of groceries or a kid stealing a pair of earbuds. The majority of theft is actually either at self-checkouts or people walking out the doors with pockets full of merchandise. There are also people who regularly get caught stealing, and loss prevention will always keep an eye out for those people.
I didn’t work in loss prevention, but I would occasionally have to review security footage in the security office. The cameras, even in the newer stores, were pretty low resolution and had a lot of blind spots. They are put there as a deterrent more than anything else.
I assume Walmart probably has better loss prevention than Kroger, so you could be correct. Though, I doubt all Walmart stores have AI SCO tracking or 360-degree-recording cameras.
I was at a Meijers a few weeks ago (midwestern chain kind of like Wal-Mart but nicer) and the self-scanner started flashing for the clerk when we finished. When the clerk came over, it played a video of me scanning one of the items, and the clerk could see if I had tried to slip something in the bag without scanning it. It was interesting to see.
It may have triggered because we’d bought alcohol, which had to be paid for separately in a special part of the store, and that was still in the cart. But I don’t know for certain what triggered it, and, if he knew, he didn’t say so.
I’m so far below $1k that it isn’t a worry, it’s only small dollar items. That and they aren’t catching me every time, even with all the cameras. Even if they did know every single time I “missed” an item at self check out, I’d be surprised if I’d taken more than $100 of food by now. That and they’d have a hard time proving it was intentional every time and not a simple mistake.
This is a really bad idea. There are better ways to stick it to Walmart without stealing and I assure you it doesn’t look heroic. You’re just stealing.
Don’t do that, they keep track. When you go over $1k, you get fucked and picked up for a felony.
That sounds absurd. There is easily 5000 regular shoppers in a grocery store. Plus people buying there irregularly. They would need to reliably identify every single one of them, with face recognition only having 80-90% accuracy. and If we talk 5$ missacounted per shoppinge once a week that is 4 years of shopping.
The amount of data needed to be stored and analysed for that is insane.
And then we are not even at the point, where they can prove theft on every single instance, because they need to prove that the system did not malfunction, or a simple user error occured.
I call bullshit on that.
I know Target does it for sure.
i’ll believe it, when i see the first convictions coming out of it. On a side note, AI face recording all your customers and for years storing exact data, when they came and went, what they bought and ehat they alledgedly have stolen would be extremely illegal in the EU.
https://www.businessinsider.com/target-employees-say-store-doesnt-stop-all-shoplifters-2020-12
Hmm, interesting read! Seems like some track and others don’t.
Not in the US and on private property. You wave all privacy rights when you enter their store. Also in public places as well. Want privacy, stay home in the US… Just saying…
You think Kroger can’t process that much data?
https://www.8451.com/who-we-are
Are you being sarcastic? There is 1 person manning 10 checkouts and cameras that aren’t monitored. As someone who worked in the Front End of a grocery store for many years, I can tell you that they don’t have the resources to keep track of 99% of theft.
It’s a thing, but not for what everyone is talking about. Walmart LP in problem stores is intense and for serial shoplifters they will actually track… but it usually only takes two trips because they are stealing electronics or some shit. They aren’t counting in ten dollar increments items skipped in the self checkout one trip at a time lol.
Yet a bunch of articles just came out recently showing Target does exactly that.
Walmart has AI keeping track of theft at self checkout. They don’t use that as a basis for in-person stops, but they still record it.
And they have a small team of plainclothes people looking at camerad and sometimes straight up following people around the store.
Speaking of cameras, in addition to regular cameras, in the big metro areas there are around twenty 360 degree cameras that can see across the entire store at any time, even when playing back a recording. If you have line of sight, it sees you.
I am mostly just familiar with Kroger’s LP, but in my experience their loss prevention is pretty ineffective. They have a lot of cameras installed, but they aren’t being constantly monitored. There are actually only a handful of loss prevention personnel, and they spend the majority of their time walking around in stores. They will occasionally catch someone trying to steal a whole cart of groceries or a kid stealing a pair of earbuds. The majority of theft is actually either at self-checkouts or people walking out the doors with pockets full of merchandise. There are also people who regularly get caught stealing, and loss prevention will always keep an eye out for those people.
I didn’t work in loss prevention, but I would occasionally have to review security footage in the security office. The cameras, even in the newer stores, were pretty low resolution and had a lot of blind spots. They are put there as a deterrent more than anything else.
I assume Walmart probably has better loss prevention than Kroger, so you could be correct. Though, I doubt all Walmart stores have AI SCO tracking or 360-degree-recording cameras.
My experience is as a manager in three different high-loss stores in a metropolitan area. I assure you, the cameras are very good.
Now, when you’re zooming across an entire store the image does “bounce” up and down a bit, but it’s still good quality.
With the AI, I think it’s still in development. Again, it isn’t used as a primary means of apprehension, but it’s definitely a tool in the arsenal.
I was at a Meijers a few weeks ago (midwestern chain kind of like Wal-Mart but nicer) and the self-scanner started flashing for the clerk when we finished. When the clerk came over, it played a video of me scanning one of the items, and the clerk could see if I had tried to slip something in the bag without scanning it. It was interesting to see.
It may have triggered because we’d bought alcohol, which had to be paid for separately in a special part of the store, and that was still in the cart. But I don’t know for certain what triggered it, and, if he knew, he didn’t say so.
I’m so far below $1k that it isn’t a worry, it’s only small dollar items. That and they aren’t catching me every time, even with all the cameras. Even if they did know every single time I “missed” an item at self check out, I’d be surprised if I’d taken more than $100 of food by now. That and they’d have a hard time proving it was intentional every time and not a simple mistake.
I was never trained to run their register, so mistakes are bound to happened.
This is a really bad idea. There are better ways to stick it to Walmart without stealing and I assure you it doesn’t look heroic. You’re just stealing.