• Annoyed_🦀 @monyet.cc
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    Have to admit i don’t quite agree with telling people you’ll skin them alive, it’s fucking rude you fucking cunt.

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    I think it has more to do with how not taking violent threats seriously enough has led to escalation into real world violence.

    Say cunt and whatever but this is a pretty tone deaf post in a world where the Myanmar Genocide, enabled significantly by Facebook’s lax moderation practices, is ongoing.

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      In case Im not the only one who’s heard of this for the first time:

      “In 2017, the Rohingya were killed, tortured, raped, and displaced in the thousands as part of the Myanmar security forces’ campaign of ethnic cleansing. In the months and years leading up to the atrocities, Facebook’s algorithms were intensifying a storm of hatred against the Rohingya which contributed to real-world violence,” said Agnès Callamard, Amnesty International’s Secretary General.

      From: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/09/myanmar-facebooks-systems-promoted-violence-against-rohingya-meta-owes-reparations-new-report/

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        You’re not alone. It rung a bell somewhere in the back of my head, but I couldn’t remember pretty much anything about it and was about to search it up myself.

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      There’s a difference between moderation and censorship of “bad words”. I can call for the violent genocide of another people without a single “bad word”, but I can also praise humanity using nothing but curses.

      The underlying problem is, that moderation serves the interests of advertisers, not people. KFC will happily advertise between calls to genocide in a third world country- it’s finger chopping good. But if someone says fuck next to a coke bottle, the apocalypse is near.

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        I can also praise humanity using nothing but curses.

        I’m throwing down the challenge flag on this one.

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          Here’s ChatGPT’s take:

          “Holy shit, humanity, you foul-mouthed bunch of magnificent misfits! Against all the goddamn odds, you’ve managed to build wonders that would make even the universe blush with envy! You’ve taken the raw sewage of existence and spun it into the finest silk of civilization, you sons of bitches! Your resilience is tougher than a two-dollar steak, and your ingenuity is sharper than a box of goddamn razor blades! You’ve danced with death, spat in the face of despair, and flipped the bird to fate itself! You’re a bunch of crazy, chaotic, beautiful motherfuckers, and I wouldn’t have it any other way! Keep on raising hell and blazing trails, you magnificent bastards!”

          Kinda meh…

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        That doesn’t sound like an underlying problem that sounds like a coincidence and like greedy idjits doing the thing in the wrong way

        Like yeah, content that doesn’t call for genocide is also more advertiser friendly in addition to being safer for marginalized communities in the real world.

        I think the solution is a moderating format that involves more open source work, assign accounts a value that weighs their reports by how serious the accusation is, but also by how often they’ve turned up credible reports in the past, have the report come with three parts, the reported post or comment, the rule or rules the reporter think it violates, and a text box for them to give some explanation of why they think it breaks the rules in case it isn’t obvious.

        Once someone has a high enough rating and volume for reports, earmark them to become a paid moderator.

        Und voilà, you have home grown community moderators familiar with the rules and with sneaky ways bad actors try to get around them, along with a process to quickly get more whenever you launch in a new community.

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      This may be because tumblr is more culturally homogenous and you can tell when someone is serious. There’s no way to tell with crackpots on Facebook

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    To be fair, replying with I’ll skin you alive is pretty extreme/completely unnecessary.

    There’s reasonable discourse and then there’s just “Fuck you dumb idiot” type responses which add nothing to a conversation.

    I’d consider his response pretty childish/immature although a less extreme version of it makes sense.

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      I think you have to know your audience. Hyperbolic threats of violence from someone I know isn’t violent make me laugh, they are not mean, they are funny.

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        Also this guy is kinda known for fairly violent comedy videos, so “I’ll skin you alive” is pretty tame for him.

        For example he’s created an ad that ended up being banned by the UK advertising watchdog, twice:

        Adverts given the green light by Surfshark included gun violence, child death, and namedropping competitors

        Source: indy100

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          This just tells me the guy is actually violent though. If he’s literally getting banned for his stuff then he can say it’s for comedy/meant to be funny, but he’s missing the mark.

          Complaining about being censored in this case isn’t really valid as he’s going over the line.

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            You should actually watch some of his videos then. He’s doesn’t complain about being censored and he fully supports the advertising agency’s rulings. In the violent ones that were “banned” (just cut out of their respective videos), he fully agrees he was pushing the envelope which was entirely his intention.

            He says it even better in his video “Dear Surfshark, Please Forgive Me” https://youtu.be/mono4nHA1QI?si=R40wu5LlEHoZ-cwT

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                I’d much rather watch someone who isn’t pushing the envelope.

                The personality of a housecat

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                You’re taking a couple comments at face value, when the actual creator goes into detail about each one of his ads and the thought process about them. He’s legitimately a great guy and creator who does his best to be respectful with what he does. He’s very upfront that his content isn’t made for kids, including the best content warnings I’ve seen a content creator do on their media.

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                  Perhaps, but nothing I’ve seen mentioned sparks my interest. I’m not a fan of “shock comedy,” and while foul language doesn’t offend me, it also doesn’t interest me.

                  That said, I’m glad he’s respectful.

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              Well it’s not violent from what I can see, but it’s also not funny.

              He hasn’t posted in a while though, so I think I’d have to check out what he’s like on twitter to see if he’s turned into some erratic psycho.

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                That’s his main channel with the higher production skits. There’s also his side channel at https://youtube.com/@TomSkaAndFriends which has a lot of great content as well. If you don’t find him funny, that’s a valid opinion since we have different views on what’s comedic. But assuming he’s turned into some “erratic psycho” is just rude.

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                  I’m just going off what he himself has posted.

                  Ultimately it may be completely out of context, but based purely on the small sample he appears a bit extreme. It’s the problem with small snippets like this, and why you need to be careful with what you post.

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        I think this quickly goes into bad territory.

        It’s very easy to be racist/sexist and then just say “It was a joke bro! Calm down!” as an example.

        If you’re making violent “jokes” but saying it’s not real… Well sorry to say but you’re actually just violent and pretending otherwise.

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      In Tumblr culture, these hyperviolent responses aren’t made at the end of a heated argument, but rather meant tongue-in-cheek.

      For example, imagine one person posts “love pineapple on pizza”. Then another person responds “Do not dare to put pineapple on pizza or I’ll skin you!”.

      It expresses that the second person has strong opinions about pineapple on pizza, but hopefully everyone involved knows that it’s an empty threat (because everyone is anonymous on Tumblr) and that it’s not meant serious at all.

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      I’m personally more a fan of curses of wicked inconvenience.

      Eg, “May you never find the pebble pressing into the sole of your foot, even after you’ve removed your shoe and your sock”

      or, “May you always run out of toilet paper when you most need it, every time, no matter where you are”

      continues to fantasise about other such curses

    • Fushuan [he/him]@lemm.ee
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      Nah, it’s actually about the hyper that makes violent comments okay. Hyperboles are usually used to make something apparent, in this case what’s being made apparent is the irony.

      For example: “Hey, can I go to the party?” “No” hard to interpret if it’s a joke “No fucking way dude, if I see you there I’ll fucking raze your household to the ground for 4 generations” < this is such an exaggeration that is simply can’t be true, which in turn implies that yeah, they can come.

      Of course, for it to be effective that must sound completely impossible to the listener, and as always context is important. Of the context of my hyper violent message is that I’m talking to my friends, they will know I’m joking.

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        Sure, but he’s had a lot of words to explain its hyperbole and he hasn’t yet.

        So purely based on the context presented, he comes off as extreme and doesn’t properly justify it in his later posts. I’m not going to research every single person’s background I come across, so you can bet this guy comes off as unhinged based on these posts.

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      Getting banned from worldnews@lemmy.ml is incredibly easy as they’re super sensitive about china and anything negative gets deleted or gets you banned. They love simping for prc/ccp and pretending they’re not.

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          They’re just like Israel misusing antisemetic. They throw that and rasism around trying to defend / deflect actions by the prc/ccp that they well know are fucked. It’s pretty pitiful

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            My ban from hexbear - and I know this is super low hanging fruit - was for genocide denial.

            For saying that Russian atrocities in Ukraine resemble genocide. These people are literally incapable of processing irony.

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              Some people on ml aren’t (though many are. I’d say it’s about a 70-30 split of moderately to far left sane people (70%) to actual tankies (30%) in my admittedly completely anecdotal experience.

              Have yet to see anyone from lemmygrad who’s NOT a tankie, though. It’s a real shame since the name is a damn fine pun!

              I almost made an account there because of that, before finding out that it’s more than just a joke name lol

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                Two groups join lemmy.ml: those who know it’s the instance run by the core Lemmy developers and join hoping for a stable experience, and those who join because of the devs’ political beliefs. This leads to a weird mix of actual quality content and tankie propaganda.

                I wish it was all the latter so I could block the instance without losing the former.

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                I have met maybe two or three other .ml users who know anything about contemporary leftist politics or political science in general. Even the moderates over there are just parroting the same century old orthodox dogma which has literally zero contemporary examples. “Haha mass murder is funny, violent cannibalism, why don’t people like our message, they must be brainwashed, we will make them learn.”

                These are, by and large, people who seem to believe that Jacobin or the fucking Internationale suffers from a lack of edgy fan service.

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        Shit my final ban was just for saying that I don’t remember there being much mass rape during the US revolution.

        It’s incredibly ironic that these are the people who created Lemmy because they kept getting banned from reddit for saying liberals should be dropped from helicopters.

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      I’ve seen a few posts advocating various ill fortune for billionaires get removed. As I said somewhere else, I can kind of understand it from a CYA perspective. The staff don’t want to turn into a violent conspiracy hub. On the other, billionaires are ruining the world for everyone else and defending them is fucked up when viewed like that.

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        I wasn’t even advocating for anything or celebrating a death, just making a dark joke about not caring because it was a billionaire. I mean, I definitely DO consider billionaires and hectomillionaires inherently harmful, but unless they’re KNOWN to be truly heinous like Trump, Kissinger, or Limbaugh, I don’t go anywhere near as far as to actually celebrate their death, which is what the rule specifically forbids.

        I get how there has to be a limit, but joking about not caring about some billionaire who wasn’t even a public figure? That’s not harming anyone unless you’re saying it at the family or sadistic shit like that 🤷

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      Any political community demanding “civility” is enabling trolls by misunderstanding how humans interact.

      Tankies can simply fuck off.

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    He’s posting on a platform that’s dependent on advertising and moderated based on the whims and tantrums of a nepo baby. It’s not going to be an “anything goes” situation.

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    “What’s the big deal? It doesn’t hurt anybody. Fuck fuckity fuck fuck fuck” - Eric Cartman

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    I just banned from /politics for saying “All Billionaires Must Die”. Thought Lemmy was supposed to be transgressive. I thought wrong. Probably get banned from here too, now.

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      lemmy.world is relatively more rightwing compared to other instances. Idk if you’d get banned on lemmy.ml or lemmygrad or hexbear. I’m not sure what the beef/drama defederation status of those is tho.

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      That’s not even a false statement.

      All people must die, including billionaires. None of us are immortal, therefore we all must die.

      However, billionaires should be dragged into the street and bludgeoned to death and any one who has a problem with me saying that such that they need to flex their little online fiefdom, they can die next to them.

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        dragged into the street and bludgeoned to death

        That’s so much work and mess, just poison them

        They could even poison themselves or eachother, saving normal people the inconvenience.

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          I don’t feel poison would send the correct message nor would it satiate the public’s blood lust.

          Their billions would be inherited and there are thousands of billionaires so it is important that they understand the consequences of playing dragon.

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        Imagine being such an edgelord that you need the little rush of wishing death on bad people. Reform society, take their assets, stop them from ever hurting people again, whatever. Actually fix the problem like a rational human, don’t solve it by calling for their deaths you fucking caveman.

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      Oh I’m surprised you got banned. I tried to argue with someone like yourself as I think it’s stupid, and then they pushed some argument about how communism/socialism is the right way forward and I was being downvoted.

      Thought it was just Lemmy subs being extreme left but maybe not all places are extreme.

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    I like to think that this is something they’ll look back on in a few years and cringe.

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    I’ve recently joined Tumblr, and like this has been the best social media I’ve ever joined, just what I asked to be shown, no annoying recommendations that are the complete opposite of what i like or it’s just plain ragebait

    The amount of actually nice posts is really cool

    And from what I’ve heard their data collection is decent, not a personal data vacuum like other sites

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      Yeah… Um… I got Bluesky for that. Tumblr doesn’t allow for adult content. Plenty of artwork I make falls under adult content and is occasionally straight up porn. Many artists I follow also create a mix of SFW and NSFW content. Being on a place like Tumblr essentially means losing nearly half the art i can post or follow. So… No thank you.