I think Shrub called it “some weird shit” seven years ago this past January 20th. But, really what he’s doing is working with US cynicism to deride the country which only he can save.
Well, yes, but I don’t think most people want Biden to be president. Most people are voting for Biden because our election system is shit and he’s the only one likely to beat Trump. If we had ranked choice voting or approval voting (whatever it is called when you choose every candidate you support), we could vote how we want and get someone else we actually liked. Biden ain’t great, he’s just not a dictator wannabe. I don’t know of anyone voting for Biden because that’s who they want. I think a lot of us have the sense that Biden is only running because Trump needs to lose to potentially save us from a dictatorship.
If we did ranked choice we would probably end up with Biden as the milquetoast compromise candidate between Trump and someone who is actually progressive.
Just those with ludicrous false equivalency that require either mental instability or drugs to seem viable.
Biden shit the bed voluntarily over the Gaza situation. That’s on him. But had it not been for that. He’s been far better than everyone gives him credit for or that people thought he would be.
I can absolutely understand people not being excited for him. No one was excited for him in 2020 either. But he has and can beat Trump. If we don’t let a lot of nihilists without skin in the game have their way. Sadly, not having him again means that we probably won’t have actual elections again. And there’s a lot to look forward to in possible upcoming elections. If we have elections in 2028 I hope to see perhaps ocasio-cortez and a number of others ready to run. But we only get there if we still have elections which we likely won’t it with Republicans. And a bunch of four nihilists working hard to demotivate the actual people involved.
No, you know. You are just being purposefully obtuse and disingenuous. Which is worse.
How do I know? Let’s start with your initial claim. That somehow Biden or Democratic party had said or implied that only he could defeat Trump. Something that neither of them have ever said. It is a false claim and a false implication. And you know it’s false. Though if you can prove otherwise. Go ahead and Link where Biden claim such. Or where the leadership in the DNC said anything resembling that. You can’t but I do invite you to try.
Now let’s address your next absurd assertion. When it comes to the primaries, people are free to vote their conscience. That’s fine. But we don’t need to make up bullshit about Biden or the Democrats. There’s plenty of factual things to criticize them on.
When it comes to the general election. Statistically speaking. The only ones with a chance of winning are Trump and Biden. Even if a significant portion of us virtue signaled in the general election and didn’t vote for either one. The best outcome we could hope for is that Biden would still get elected. That we were simply superfluous to the process. But there is also a very significant chance that we could have been impactful. And that fascism will be the reward for our virtue signaling. Sometimes there are no good choices or reality. And you simply have to behave like an adult and make hard decisions. There is no “better” to realistically vote for, that will be better than them in the end.
Let me be perfectly clear. Despite Biden being a mush brained liberal. Mush brained because he’s a liberal, not because of his age. Taking far too long, doing still too little to course correct his mistakes. He does still do that, because he’s a generally reasonable person. Trump yesterday basically called for the extermination of Palestinians by Israel. They aren’t even remotely close. No matter how much disdain I have always had for liberals and Biden specifically. He’s someone who is at least sincere and can eventually do better. It isn’t sexy or exciting. But it is better than the alternative. And that’s just facts.
Trump yesterday basically called for the extermination of Palestinians by Israel. They aren’t even remotely close.
This is the part I can’t wrap my brain around with the bloc saying they can’t vote for Biden due to his handling of Israel/Palestine. If that is their single-issue to base their vote on, it’s clear which one of the only two candidates who will win the presidency is better for the Palestinians, and not voting for the better of the two is just enabling the success of the worst of them.
No, they literally aren’t. Liberal Democrats are intellectually bankrupt. Kept purposely ignorant like all Americans. Cause just about as many problems as they solve. But they can be reasoned with, are generally rational, and mean well despite their repeated mistakes. Calling them evil belittles what actual evil is.
Modern Democrats gave us marriage equality, the civil rights act of 1964, the ACA for all it’s flaws etc. They’re the modern spiritual continuation of those who fought for women’s suffrage, and against the south in the civil war. (Though don’t get me wrong. I can still offer a ton of criticisms about Lincoln and his Republicans of the time.) Yes they’ve weakened everything they’ve ever touched and caused plenty of damage as well. But they can’t even approach the depths of depravity, inhumanity, and abject malice of conservatives/Republicans and those who fund them.
Oh I’m well aware of how it works. I think we’re watching the fall of Rome in real time. If these two octagenarians are the best America has to offer, your country is doomed.
It’s not ageism when someone says that two people clearly showing cognitive decline who are well past the age for retirement shouldn’t hold the highest office in the nation.
In the waning days of the Soviet Union, American propaganda made a point of mocking their “gerontocracy” for being so utterly detached from the needs and wills of the common citizen. We’re seeing the same thing happen in the USA today.
Neither candidate is fit to lead and it’s an utter embarrassment that these are who we are supposed to choose between to lead the nation.
I think Shrub called it “some weird shit” seven years ago this past January 20th. But, really what he’s doing is working with US cynicism to deride the country which only he can save.
And the dems messaging is the exact same, “Biden is the only person who can beat trump and save America!”
Dems are not trashing America to do it. Or telling flat out lies. Who is the only politician to beat Trump?
I think trump being so popular is a symptom of your sick country.
Well, yes, but I don’t think most people want Biden to be president. Most people are voting for Biden because our election system is shit and he’s the only one likely to beat Trump. If we had ranked choice voting or approval voting (whatever it is called when you choose every candidate you support), we could vote how we want and get someone else we actually liked. Biden ain’t great, he’s just not a dictator wannabe. I don’t know of anyone voting for Biden because that’s who they want. I think a lot of us have the sense that Biden is only running because Trump needs to lose to potentially save us from a dictatorship.
If we did ranked choice we would probably end up with Biden as the milquetoast compromise candidate between Trump and someone who is actually progressive.
So basically the exact same results we have now but with significantly better odds of it improving the impact of our votes?
Sounds like too much effort better not try anything
We should have ranked choice voting, I just don’t expect different results.
If we had ranked choice voting, we could’ve had Bernie as President. He woulda stopped sending isreal weapons in October
Good luck with all that.
If the US goes full fascist, the world will feel it. So you’ll need the luck as well.
Absolutely.
Don’t forget to take your (butsoisbiden™) every day!
You need medication to be able to understand comparison?
Just those with ludicrous false equivalency that require either mental instability or drugs to seem viable.
Biden shit the bed voluntarily over the Gaza situation. That’s on him. But had it not been for that. He’s been far better than everyone gives him credit for or that people thought he would be.
I can absolutely understand people not being excited for him. No one was excited for him in 2020 either. But he has and can beat Trump. If we don’t let a lot of nihilists without skin in the game have their way. Sadly, not having him again means that we probably won’t have actual elections again. And there’s a lot to look forward to in possible upcoming elections. If we have elections in 2028 I hope to see perhaps ocasio-cortez and a number of others ready to run. But we only get there if we still have elections which we likely won’t it with Republicans. And a bunch of four nihilists working hard to demotivate the actual people involved.
I think if my country was aiding in a genocide I’d be more upset than angrily voting for more. But I guess I’m not in that boat so I don’t know.
No, you know. You are just being purposefully obtuse and disingenuous. Which is worse.
How do I know? Let’s start with your initial claim. That somehow Biden or Democratic party had said or implied that only he could defeat Trump. Something that neither of them have ever said. It is a false claim and a false implication. And you know it’s false. Though if you can prove otherwise. Go ahead and Link where Biden claim such. Or where the leadership in the DNC said anything resembling that. You can’t but I do invite you to try.
Now let’s address your next absurd assertion. When it comes to the primaries, people are free to vote their conscience. That’s fine. But we don’t need to make up bullshit about Biden or the Democrats. There’s plenty of factual things to criticize them on.
When it comes to the general election. Statistically speaking. The only ones with a chance of winning are Trump and Biden. Even if a significant portion of us virtue signaled in the general election and didn’t vote for either one. The best outcome we could hope for is that Biden would still get elected. That we were simply superfluous to the process. But there is also a very significant chance that we could have been impactful. And that fascism will be the reward for our virtue signaling. Sometimes there are no good choices or reality. And you simply have to behave like an adult and make hard decisions. There is no “better” to realistically vote for, that will be better than them in the end.
Let me be perfectly clear. Despite Biden being a mush brained liberal. Mush brained because he’s a liberal, not because of his age. Taking far too long, doing still too little to course correct his mistakes. He does still do that, because he’s a generally reasonable person. Trump yesterday basically called for the extermination of Palestinians by Israel. They aren’t even remotely close. No matter how much disdain I have always had for liberals and Biden specifically. He’s someone who is at least sincere and can eventually do better. It isn’t sexy or exciting. But it is better than the alternative. And that’s just facts.
This is the part I can’t wrap my brain around with the bloc saying they can’t vote for Biden due to his handling of Israel/Palestine. If that is their single-issue to base their vote on, it’s clear which one of the only two candidates who will win the presidency is better for the Palestinians, and not voting for the better of the two is just enabling the success of the worst of them.
Sorry you’re right, I misspoke, this is what I was thinking of:
Yeah man the lesser of two evils is still extremely evil though and falling over itself to supply a country with weapons to engage in a genocide.
No, they literally aren’t. Liberal Democrats are intellectually bankrupt. Kept purposely ignorant like all Americans. Cause just about as many problems as they solve. But they can be reasoned with, are generally rational, and mean well despite their repeated mistakes. Calling them evil belittles what actual evil is.
Modern Democrats gave us marriage equality, the civil rights act of 1964, the ACA for all it’s flaws etc. They’re the modern spiritual continuation of those who fought for women’s suffrage, and against the south in the civil war. (Though don’t get me wrong. I can still offer a ton of criticisms about Lincoln and his Republicans of the time.) Yes they’ve weakened everything they’ve ever touched and caused plenty of damage as well. But they can’t even approach the depths of depravity, inhumanity, and abject malice of conservatives/Republicans and those who fund them.
Yeah, man… The dudes a shit show. I won’t argue with that. But Trump it will be so, so much worse if Trump gets a second term.
My plan is to try amd get Biden in soley because were up against a clock, but we need to do some serious soul searching as a country…
We either fix it, or this fight’s gonna just keep repeating itself until authoritanism goes full mask off.
You need to employ whataboutism in a weak attempt to feel relevant in a conversation about an awful person?
Trump is awful. Do you want a cookie every time you hear it? Biden is the current president, do you not think it’s a relevant topic?
How is it relevant here?
Are you a person that says "Breaking a bone hurts too!” if someone complains about a sprained ankle?
…asking me if I want a cookie. Smh, dude. You’re the one in a post about Trump whatabouting someone else.
It sounds like you guys just want a trump is bad circle jerk and don’t want to discuss how the current administration is engaging in similar tactics.
Show me where Biden or his campaign/administration have stated or implied that he is the only person that can protect the country.
If you can I’ll take the L an stfu
Do you understand how the elections work here in the USA?
The election is only a few months away. Organizing a campaign now would require billions of dollars and a full time staff of thousands.
Bernie Sanders and his people had four years to organize and they got less than 10 million votes in the primaries.
The ‘most popular’ 3rd choice is Kennedy, and he’s polling around 0.9%
Oh I’m well aware of how it works. I think we’re watching the fall of Rome in real time. If these two octagenarians are the best America has to offer, your country is doomed.
https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/news/2023/8/japanese-skier-went-on-incredible-journey-to-become-oldest-man-to-climb-everest-757622
Just because people are old doesn’t mean they are incapable.
Try not to be ageist.
It’s not ageism when someone says that two people clearly showing cognitive decline who are well past the age for retirement shouldn’t hold the highest office in the nation.
In the waning days of the Soviet Union, American propaganda made a point of mocking their “gerontocracy” for being so utterly detached from the needs and wills of the common citizen. We’re seeing the same thing happen in the USA today.
Neither candidate is fit to lead and it’s an utter embarrassment that these are who we are supposed to choose between to lead the nation.
LOL. Why is there an age minimum to be president?
If Biden is the only person, then they’re absolutely screwed.
Lol. This guy getting downvoted proves his point
Check this one out lmao:
https://lemmy.world/comment/8185259
Not even Biden is saying that he’s the only person who beat Trump
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/06/us/politics/biden-trump-democrats-election.html https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4345547-biden-says-hes-not-the-only-democrat-who-could-beat-trump-but-will-defeat-him/ https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/06/us/politics/biden-trump-democrats-election.html https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-12-06/biden-says-he-s-not-the-only-democrat-who-could-beat-trump
There are other candidates on the Democratic primary ballots and the majority of primary voters are choosing Biden.