• MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world
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    That’s because they’re stupid, and don’t grasp that they’re on the hit list. This will become easier for them to understand when they either get swarmed by MAGA red hats, or get rounded up.

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      Let’s take it a step further. The list must remain populated - facism doesn’t actually work to make things better, so it requires someone to blame. Everyone ends up on the list, eventually.

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        It gets extra fun when fellow citizens, in an effort to stay out of the crosshairs, will snitch on Unpatriotic Americans. Anyone among the MAGA faithful that are uneasy about this, should remain demonstrably Patriotic.

        I think that reporting someone for being an Unpatriotic American would be far more effective than SWATing someone. Like if someone at work didn’t appreciate a witty reply or something, they could just erase you, or at the very least get you permanently in the crosshairs.

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      There exists a subset of people who always believe they are part of the “in group.” Even when they get swarmed and locked up/beaten/disappeared they will hold to the “truth” that a mistake was made, and someone will soon realize and apologize.

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    Leopards, faces, etc. There are multiple instances of people cheering on their own abuse. E.g. the thousands of women who protested against women’s right to vote. Often their reasons, like those given for homophobia, revolved around “traditional family values” and “the natural order”.

    Plus loyalty has not proven to be a guarantee of support from Trump or MAGA. Given how many Trump supporters are now in prison or other legal trouble, it’s odd that anyone thinks they’ll be the exception due to blind loyalty.

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    Gay Republicans swoon over Donald Trump for hosting a gay wedding at Mar-a-Lago

    … because they’re too god damn stupid or willfully ignorant to realize Trump is only in it for the money and has no morals, ethics, or ideology beyond “How can Trump profit from this?”

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    Wtf is a gay republican. It’s just as dumb as black republicans. Like what do you even stand for? Losing your rights and fighting to become a slave?

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    Being gay doesn’t make you … well, anything except gay. Perhaps a larger percentage of them are liberals though due to obviously selfish reasons.

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      Being gay and Republican makes you an idiot. Republicans fought tooth and nail to oppose gay marriage and used all sorts of awful dog whistles around the gay community - there’s still a large contingent of Republicans that are fighting against gay marriage and, of course, they openly demonize another LGBT+ group every fucking day.

      I know gay Republicans exist but it’s fucking baffling.

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        Like the anti vaccine movement, many have forgotten the horrors of the past and feel like they can just discard the things that got us to where we are.

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          Just like how fascism is back. Generations die off, and (particularly if we don’t educate), people forget.

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                Nah. The generations that live through such trauma (such as the horrors of nazi Germany just as an example) and witness it first hand are the ones who work the hardest to make sure it doesn’t happen again. But once you’re a couple generations removed from it, that memory fades, and the ones in power stop caring as much about preventing it because they just never lived it. History always “repeats itself” for a reason.

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        Yeah, it seems pretty a bit off. Perhaps those people have lots of old money or something, enabling them to just completely ignore haters?

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          That’d be the Peter Thiel approach… you know, the famous scumbag gay man who famously lobbied against gay marriage.

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      Selfish reasons like wanting to be treated like human beings politically? Get married? Adopt kids? Get wedding cakes at bakeries without being shut out? Those kind of selfish reasons?

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          I’m not gay.

          I’m not buying wedding cakes.

          I’m not adopting.

          CIS WASPs already own politics.

          Yet here I am, liberal.

          It is possible to care about other people and their problems without those problems being yours as well.

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                Your anecdote isn’t very relevant here since you aren’t gay. All you’re saying is that you can be liberal without being gay or having other issues directly affect you.

                What they are asking is, if those issues do affect them, is that the reason they are liberal? An obvious answer is, if it matters to them more than other things then yes. I imagine personal identity and personal freedom matter very much for most people, but it may not be the highest on the list.

                Unsurprisingly, things aren’t black and white.

                It’s certainly weird to see people championing for things that will actively hurt them though. Like black people trying to join the KKK.

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                I’m trying to get you to see that the nature of the reasons are not what the selfishness was in reference to but rather their scope of caring. A hard right republican woman can think that she deserves to have an abortion herself but if she doesn’t care if that extends to others then she is selfish. If the percentage that mellow was talking about are only liberal because the issues listed impact them then that does kinda seem selfish. It is not a commentary at all about the rightness or wrongness of those issues.

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                  Trying to get me to see…?

                  Then you should she stated your case and avoided trying to be clever by asking the same question twice in some bizarre effort at a philosophical take, to what…make yourself appear smarter? To a question you’ve already answered for yourself? Ridiculous.

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      You likely mean “reasons of self interest” instead of “selfish reasons,” since you don’t appear to mean the statement with negative connotations.

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    So how do we use this to lose him the homophobe vote? That’s gotta be more votes lost than gained.

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      “Oh, honey, I understand your concern but… well, god uses imperfect men to enact his will. See, Joe Biden is actively calling for these people to have rights. Trump ain’t perfect, but he already banned them trans people from being in the military. Joe put them right back in there.

      See, Trump isn’t perfect. He’s a sinner. He’s doing more Jesus work than Biden though. With Trump we’ll have a pure and godly nation again one day if it isn’t already too late.”

      He won’t lose the homophobe vote.

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        It’s not that simple, though. Yeah, those reactions will be there, large portions of MAGAts are already indoctrinated for that, but with the right messaging in the right places, some people will get mad and at least stay home. No group is homogenous, and I think this has potential to eat into a significant portion of his ravenous base. The messaging has to look like it’s coming from their own, a kind of “Trump betrayed us to get in with the liberal elites” narrative. Throw in some pics of men kissing and Trump rubbing elbows with the Clintons. It’s all about hitting the emotional weak spots and diverting some people here, some people there, into a new narrative. Whether a good long shower afterward will wash away the dirty feeling is another matter.

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      It’s meant to be a call back to the days of “Lincoln Republicans” - when President Lincoln built much of his reputation on a true “rags to power” story after being born in a literal log cabin in Kentucky. Lincoln Republicans coalesced around Lincoln’s belief in true equality and freedom for all regardless of race. The LCR is an extension of that and arose during a fight against anti-LGBT laws in California in the 1970s.

      However I’d argue that the rest of the GOP has fallen so far down the rabbit hole these days that the LCR’s are “in name only” supporters of gay rights and have no reason to exist as an organization.

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          That’s an interesting article I hadn’t seen, thanks. And while I doubt anyone would be able to say definitively one way or the other at this point, from that article it sounds like the evidence that he was homosexual or bi is…pretty thin. At best.

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            It’s all fluid anyway… He could have been pansexual, or demisexual (or maybe even something else really cool that I don’t even know about yet). As far as I know Speed was his only possible known male suitor.

            Please note: I’m not even close to an expert on Lincoln, and this comment was based almost entirely on memory of when the History Channel used to actually show historical documentaries (plus maybe a little Drunk History mixed in).

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    It was a business decision, nothing more. The only motive was profit. There’s absolutely nothing to “swoon” over.