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    9 months ago

    Oh yeah. Where are those civilizations? Exactly.

    Would you mind explaining how you answer that question yourself? Just so I don’t misunderstand you.

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      There are plenty humans civilizations who did a better job at preventing power

      I didn’t make the claim. I’m honestly curious as to what civilization(s) you meant? I couldn’t name one currently.

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        Many native societies (who often still exist today), the zapatistas, in the ZADs, the Paris commune, Rojava, and also potentially most of the time humanity existed. I could dig up more, but arguing with somebody who has opinions like that is tedious.

        “Meanwhile, antihumanists have divested the very concept of Progress of all relevance and meaning in the farrago of human self-denigration that marks the moods of the present time. A skepticism that denies any meaning, rationality, coherence, and continuity in History, that corrodes the very existence of premises, let alone the necessity of exploring them, renders discourse itself virtually impossible”

        Bookchin, you can find the context here

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          Not arguing about the existence of probably better societies in the past (it’s also hard to argue about things in the very long gone past). But where are they today? How is any of that applicable to our current world? Hunter-Gatherrers are gone. We’re consumers now. Worker-ants. The only reason those native societies are still there, is that they have got nothing anyone wants. If they would’ve, they would’ve been eradicated too. Like every other civilization that were weaker.

          But hey, I absolutely don’t want to convince you otherwise. Would be futile anyway.

          To quote Dostoyevski (I’m pretty positive it was him): “I have seen the truth. I have seen and I know that people can be beautiful and happy. I will not and cannot believe that evil is the normal condition of mankind.”