If Guard 2 didn’t mean it when he said sorry that counts as a lie right?
If Guard 2 is the one that lies, that means they can’t have apologized
Plot twist: it turns out I was a guard the whole time!
Saw it coming.
What are things I reveal to my therapist about that camping trip with the super horny bear?
I’ll take… Childhood Trauma for $800
Ha! That was funny, clever, and kind of out of nowhere enough that it’s so good and I enjoyed it so much that I feel like just an upvote doesn’t suffice. But I didn’t quite know what to say…sooo, I’m writing this, lol. Thank you for making me laugh in such a clever, fun way! :)
Also, I’m sorry about the bear. I’ve got horny animal-related childhood trauma, too, lmao!
For realsies, it was a horse, but I wasn’t willing actually un-repress that memory. Anyway, time to look for some brain bleach!
Liars say they’re sorry way more than people who tell the truth, I’ve found.
I think that’s a symtom of abuse, or indicator. Don’t quote me on this
Yup. That describes my ex for sure.
Abuse also creates people who at the core lack a sense of self, so trying to fit into groups can be difficult and makes them prone to do things wrong. (my head just went into a translation error dead zone)
It’s crazy how big of an impact a non-abusive upbringing can have. I’ve personally struggled with cognitive dissonance from my own, took me a low 15 years to accept it
Yeah. I had a physically and mentally abusive father as well, but he wasn’t much of a liar in this case. I’m 40, been on my own since 17, and still need regular therapy for all of it. So I empathize.
I’m sorry
If Guard 1 is a liar, that means they are both liars.
This would be a pretty amusing encounter I think.
Mage: “Uggghh… well I translated the inscription on the door. We have to resolve their quarrel to dispell the magic lock.”
Bard: “So hey fellas, my party and I saw you from across the dungeon…”
Not gonna lie, I thought guard 2 was mario…
I like the referenced riddle because you can’t “fully” solve it, in the sense that you know all the information. You can figure out which path to take (which solves the riddle) but you cannot simultaneously know who lies and who tells the truth, which gives the riddle a bit of an unresolved feel. (I’m assuming it’s one yes-no question only.)
Something that has always bothered me with the “one of us tells the truth, the other one lies” conundrums is couldn’t you just ask a simple question with a known answer to check who’s who? Something like “what’s 1+1” or even a logic question like “if A is true and B is true, is the condition of A AND B true or false?”
The full riddle limits you to one question.
Either of their proposed questions should still immediately tell you which door is which, though.
What would be really fun is determining which door tells the truth, then coming back periodically and asking it questions about how the setting’s metaphysics work, or where an important NPC is at the moment, or what the BBEG’s weakness is.
The truth telling guard doesn’t have to be in front of the safe door.
“I don’t know” can be a truthful statement. Why would door guy be omniscient?
Yeh but non answers are usually not allowed because use of them can easily make the riddle completely unsolvable.
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Yes, that would let you know if the one you asked tells the truth or lies. But IIRC those riddles are usually constructed such that that is not enough to solve them. For example, sometimes there are more than two people that you need to identify. Or you need to find the correct door amongst multiple. All with a single question to one of the people.
Tim, the third guard who stabs people who ask tricky questions.
with a lot of these riddles you don’t get to ask a question, you can only listen to their statements to determine who is telling the truth.
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“you ever fuck this guy’s wife?”
Iiiii forgiiiive you!
Ask either do you have a nose, the one that always tells the truth has to say yes, the one that always lies has to say no.
That’s where the clause about having just one question comes into play.
You only need one answer here
And in the original version the traveler must determine which path to take, one kills you, one is safe.
True, in this case they never actually said what the riddle is, they just explain the premise
Ok, so you used your one question finding that out, now how do you find out which door is safe now that you’re out of questions?
What doors? Post doesn’t mention any doors.
The riddle being referenced is an incredibly well known classic riddle. The full riddle is normally left out when jokes are being made about it for brevity, but the actual riddle does not work without the doors.
Perhaps they both lie, whenever it is convenient for them, including lying about lying, but also about not lying? :-P
And if they upgrade to the Premium package (by becoming politicians), they gain the talent allowing them to lie without ever managing to say anything at all… even while using very many words to obfuscate that fact.:-D
Couldnt you just ask:
“Tell me which door is safe while using a sinonim of truth”
Or
“Tell me a sinonim of truth while precising which door is correct”
The traditional solution is to ask which door the other guard would say is safe. The response will always be the dangerous door.
