Yo, every pet owner on the planet thinks their pet is perfect and its like pretty much almost never the case. Pet owners will downvote me, but that piece of chewed trim is not cute. Property damage to rentals caused by pets also keeps property vacant between renters for repairs.
So the landlord will use the money from the rent to personally hand repair that furniture himself, right? He won’t just jack up the price and hire a cheap fixture repair place, right?
It’s not just furniture, piss soaking into the floor for extended periods of time can require work to fix. I bought a house that had a renter with a large dog and I had to rip up the floor to find the spot soaked through to the subfloor where the dog always peed during the day while the owner was out, it reaked.
Okay. That would happen if you bought from a non renter too. Pets are a part lf the human experience and humans need housing. Landlords can live with the costs or sell up so people can buy.
Or they can just not allow pets wtf?
Or we can mandate that pets should be allowed because humans want pets and landlords have driven humans out of home ownership, so now they need to be massively regulated.
If landlord’s don’t like it, they can sell up and people can buy homes again.
Not all humans want pets. And those humans don’t like to be forced to live among other people’s pets.
Oh that definitely overrides anything else. I don’t like the colour orange so I’ll just go ahead and claim no one else can have orange stuff incase we need to room together
Well it didn’t take long to go from “housing is a human right” to “pets are a human right” lmao
Imagine cum guzzling landlords rights on Lemmy of all places lmao
next the peasants might be asking for healthcare lmao
Pets don’t need to be “part of the human experience” any more than drugs do. They’re optional and some people choose to have them and some don’t. Some people don’t like pets and don’t want to be forced to live around others’ pets.
Have you even thought for a second that some people might CHOOSE housing based on the fact that a community doesn’t allow pets? And by “mandating all landlords allow pets” you are eliminating housing options for these people? God you people are like religious zealots and think everyone should be forced to believe in the same things you do.
Friggin crazy fascists. “You’re going to like my pitbull (oh he’s harmless and you’re dog-racist if you believe otherwise) and now I want to force you to raise your kids around my untrained shit factory and step in his crap and listen to him bark constantly or you’re a horrible person.”
Holy hell I hate you with the passion of a thousand suns.
Lol
This dog?
Actually, at least in my state, tools and labor done by a landlord can’t be listed as an expense for taxes. If they hire someone they can list it as an expense on taxes.
Well, the only thing my dog did was start to lose her bladder control before I put her down. But she managed to make it to the pee pad every time even then.
Not all dogs bro. My girl was perfect. Didn’t even bark. I’ll probably never find another one like her though.
Sorry for your loss. There really are perfect good bois and good girls out there. I have met a couple.
Babies and old people shit in carpet way more than pets, make more noise too.
That is definitely not true, and it’s obvious you’ve never let an apartment.
My sister’s kid has definitely left more shit on my carpet than all 4 of my cats combined.
You, as a landlord, simply have no idea whether pets or people shit in your apartment. It’s not radioactive waste, people can just clean it up.
Way to be disingenuous
Way to disregard other people’s experience, easy to do if you never leave your basement.
Not at all true.
Some of my pets are shits, some are angels. My wife thinks some are angels and some are shits.
We were very fortunate to find a place the; landlord doesn’t seem to care about, and the previous tenant was a… Crazy pet owner, rumor was he was breeding dogs, so the floors were shot already, no monthly pet fee, no extra pet deposit, no need to have them repair anything, we probably won’t get the deposit back, but I doubt we would’ve if we had an up to snuff place, as our puppy was still learning the difference between outside and inside (he knows now)
Uh, case in point. You found a place trashed by pets, brought your ‘shits and angels’ in to wreck it more, and are oblivious to their effects on a home. This is what I was talking about.
The rental was vacant for months before our moving in, not earning any money, the “repairs” on it were sub par where done at all, the property is almost certainly illegally subdivided, the landlord offered a “give me sex for no rent next month” agreement with the other tenant (who had never brought up financial difficulties, nor is in a spot that would require leniency), has turned down multiple grants to take care of fire damaged trees on the hill sloping towards our back door, and it’s their only property in my state from looking at the other holdings dude is a slum lord. Also we’re paying way too much for the amount of upkeep that’s being put into the place. Also learned from a neighbor (who renovated, might have had the idea to flip the house) that the person who built 3 of the houses on this street (including ours) “followed a code, but it wasn’t {states} code. We’re out in the boonies, nobody wants any more attention here than required. If we hadn’t rented this place it would probably still be on the market what they were asking for it (half hour of heavy mountain road out of town), but we get no questions asked, a 2 car garage, no electric gas or water bill (hence illegal subdivision) and twice the sqf for less than what we’d be paying for half that space, no garage, and"communal” billing rates.
We’re being taken advantage of financially, they don’t ask questions (was one of the selling points) regarding our animals. Our animals btw haven’t trashed the place, they don’t urinate outside of their designated areas, they don’t tear up the carpets or chew on the walls, nature is taking care of plenty of those things, but the animals we keep have nothing to do with it.
Sure. Because doing something about landlords charging way too much for rent would help too many people.
There’s tons of legislation, proposed and enacted, aimed at lowering rent prices, primarily aimed at increasing supply. Things like prohibiting zoning restrictions that limit single family housing, providing incentives for infill developments and affordable housing bonuses, and allowing rent control ordinances.
The article doesn’t say “there is only one bill related to housing this legislative session and it’s for pets”. Just because a bigger problem exists doesn’t mean you have to ignore every other problem until the big one is fixed.
Landlords prohibiting pets is a housing issue because it effectively limits the housing that is available to people. I know when I was looking for an apartment because I had two cats that eliminated probably 50% of housing options I had. I don’t know what this does to the market overall, but I’d bet it does something.
Per ownership is also an objectively positive thing, both for animals in shelters that need homes and for the mental health of people. Landlord restrictions functionally turn pet ownership into a privilege only available to the landed gentry. It’s shitty.
So anyway, this bill addresses a problem and does some good. Just because it won’t singlehandedly solve all the country’s housing affordability problems in one swoop doesn’t mean you have to dismiss it.
Love this take. Thank you!
There’s tons of legislation, proposed and enacted, aimed at lowering rent prices, primarily aimed at increasing supply. Things like prohibiting zoning restrictions that limit single family housing, providing incentives for infill developments and affordable housing bonuses, and allowing rent control ordinances.
If that is the case, I have certainly not been hearing about them. Maybe those are what should be reported on rather than this, which is nowhere near as consequential.
I have been seeing political commercials for at least 3 different bills/campaigns to write bills aimed at fixing housing issues recently; though they are all California specific. One of which uses the motto “the rent is too damn high.”
I am not in California (anymore) but I would definitely like more information if you have it.
“If I haven’t already come across it, it doesn’t exist, because I am aware of everything that is reported on” right?
Or, you know, an example could be given rather than me just “trust me bro.”
https://www.assembly.ca.gov/schedules-publications/todays-events
Our state government tackles a ton of stuff on the regular. There’s literally too much stuff going on for anyone to keep track of all of it.
I haven’t seen any of this in my state. California isn’t the whole world
Amazingly we can have multiple conversations at once.
Great, when are lawmakers going to start having multiple conversations at once?
When we break the Repuglicans hold on the legislature.
I see you don’t have any pets.
I have two dogs and a fish.
Please outlaw pet rent. I get a refundable deposit, but pet rent is bullshit.
As deposits sometimes aren’t sometimes aren’t enough, I’d also go for needing a pet-owner plan with their renters insurance.
One of the things that has prevented me from finding a new apartment is my cat. Been on the market for ages, and 90% of listings are automatically off the table because they don’t allow pets. It’s an extremely common restriction. This would be a huge win. Obviously doesn’t solve any of the more important problems with landlords and excessive rates; but it’s definitely something that a lot of people would notice and benefit from.
This is so weird. Around where I live most apartments accept pets up to, usually, 50lbs with a pet deposit and only bar certain breeds. Some have quantity restriction as well but very few won’t accept pets at all.
Trust me it’s not weird at all. I’ve lived in bigger cities in nine states, every single one of those had severe limitations when it came to any pets unless they were fish. Some areas are more lenient than others but I had a hell of a time finding a place that would except a medium sized dog in every single city and never once did I not pay an additional deposit as well as additional “pet rent”
Sometimes even fish because an aquarium malfunction can cause serious damage.
Hmm. Never had trouble in CA.
Moving there in 2 weeks from Oklahoma and had no issues finding houses that allowed pets myself. In fact most seemed to welcome them.
The rental market for houses is kinda weird out here. It’s the apartment complexes/ condos/ multi-family units that have the ridiculous restrictions. In my city more than 70% of the residents rent.
Also welcome to the state, we have bumpier land out here than OK, also trees.
Yeah it is absolutely beautiful. We are in Sacramento and the company flew us out last month to check it out before we committed and we are in love with it. I’m an outdoorsy type so it’s great for me. Looking forward to milder summers than here for sure.
I assume this (and really any extra mandates for landlords) is going to drive more small/private landlords out of the business, and that won’t necessarily increase housing availability on its own, but will instead be filled by larger corporate landlords that can afford to deal with administrative work required. As I’ve gotten older, I’ve found small landlords to be where you can find the best experience (but also maybe the worst, it’s more variable), having just corporate landlords feels like you’ll always get a shittier place (minimal work done) for market rates.
Definitely a YMMV situation, with corporate landlords when I’ve called them out for breaking the law they usually backpedal. Mom and pop landlords in my experience always attempt to skirt around laws and just out right down respect them.
The golden experience to me has always been small businesses landlords who aren’t quite corporate yet, might own a building or two, but generally small in the grand scheme of things. They ofc eventually sell out to the corporate ownership anyways.
“When you put them all into a package, it’s so rife with possibilities for errors on the part of the landlord,” Gulbransen said. “That makes people think twice about renting out that empty unit.”
Oh no.
Plus, she said the state already has laws in place to protect renters with disabilities or mental health issues who rely on emotional support or service animals.
Oh, well since they are already bending over backwards following ADA guidelines obviously that’s argument enough
Btw to those who didn’t read the article, it also mentions how a lot of pets are surrendered because the owners couldn’t find housing that accommodates them.
I’m all for this as long as shitty pet owners are wildly prosecuted for the damage they cause.
And don’t give me that “emotional support animal” bullshit. I’ve seen you fuckers and your piss- and shit- ridden slums. If you need an emotional support animal then you probably can’t handle the responsibility.
Wait why wouldn’t they? People piss and shit and if you damage a rental with it, you’re billed for it. I feel like you’re very angry about a problem you made up.
Landlords, of course, can sue for damages, but it’s almost always in small claims court, and the former tenant is almost always “judgement proof” – no real assets and no real wages to garnish. These same individuals are often the sort of tenant who allows their pets to destroy a home, let cat urine soak into the floor boards, and so on.
Not everyone, of course. and in fact, probably a very small minority of tenants, but it only takes one terrible tenant to utterly destroy a home.
I wouldn’t say made up.
I think they are referring to the times when the cost of damages (think a pet hoarder) outweigh what the deposit would normally cover. Rather than taking the previous tenant to court (if even possible) to pay for the excess, some landlords will just slap on fresh coat of paint to appeal to the eyes and ignore everything else that need to be done.
With cat urine for instance, you may be able to hide the smell temporarily, but unless you replace the carpet/flooring, add an odor blocking primer to other stained permanent surfaces, replace odor-impregnated things like cabinetry or sheet rock, the smell will just keep coming back. It can sometimes be about as bad, cost-wise, as flood/mold remediation.
My friends’ mother had several cats and she did not take care of any place she lived in. When visiting her there was a separation of the outside air and inside air which was more “dense”, and had a smell which took a few minutes to adjust to. Her rent did not cover the damages she caused; mold, stains, rot if she lived there long enough.
Have you ever known anyone who tried to rent out their place? My understanding is that it’s near impossible to keep someone’s security deposit when they damage your place, if they choose to fight you on it. I very much doubt that non-corporate landlords would be able to successfully collect damages from a renter with pets who trashed the place. This move will absolutely hurt individual landlords in favor of the corporate landlords that can afford lawyers.
Boo hoo. I’ll definitely cry for the land leeches. Maybe they can get a job.
Sounds like you’re simping for corporate landlords.
Nope. All land leeches are leeches. To quote Adam “The Father of Capitalism” Smith:
"the landlords love to reap where they never sowed and demand a rent even for its natural produce.”
It’s actually a bit risky to keep a deposit. If the tenant says you’ve done so unjustly, and a court agrees, the LL can be sued for triple what they kept. I have an owner occupied two unit and it would really need to be a lot of damage with evidence of intent or negligence. Why risk keeping a deposit and then being sued for triple while still having to carry out repairs caused by a careless tenant or their animal.
My place doesn’t make me any money, it’s a loss every year, but at least I’m building equity right?
My place doesn’t make me any money, it’s a loss every year, but at least I’m building equity right?
If you’re building equity, it’s not a loss every year.
Aren’t there typically already clauses within rental agreements about damage to the property (especially when moving out), though?
They aren’t that helpful. You can’t get 40k from someone who has less than 10k in assets.
I like animals but I don’t like the idea of having pets of my own, or go to places where they have pets.
Having said that, you absolutely NOT know what you’re talking about.
I absolutely DO know what the fuck I’m talking about. I have pets. My friends have pets. I ‘adopt’ all of my clients’ pets. Know what we all have in common?..hatred and intolerance for shitty pet owners. I have to assume that you’re one of them by your response; responsible pet owners aren’t insulted by this.
I was about to think that you knew what you were talking about, then I kept reading.
How did you miss the part where I mentioned that I don’t own any pets? See? How can I trust that you didn’t jump into conclusions so quickly about ALL the people who need emotional support animals as well?
Because I assumed they had been taken from you
Your assumptions don’t inspire confidence in what you claim you know.
Let’s just leave it at that. Have a nice weekend.
À dog hurt you wen you was a kid ?
No, as an adult. And the owner claimed it was such a friendly family dog before it started to maul my leg because it didn’t like my smell.
Lmao ITT: cats and dogs have evolved next to humans for thousands of years
Commentor: well that’s the first I’ve heard of this, they probably don’t even tip their landlord!
Uhhh… a a renter, there a lot of issues that need to be addressed in the market. My asshole neighbors not having pets is not one of them. In fact, pet owners contribute to the shittiness of my situation. Fuck 'em.
You sound like a pretty shitty person ngl
Based on what? Not wanting to step in your dog’s shit and listen to it bark incessantly in tight living quarters with little soundproofing? 🤡
You’re an entitled piece of shit who makes the lives of everyone around you worse. Marinate on that, though your narcissism is likely in the way.
Yo dawg, people are getting pissed at you but after living next to some shitty dogs I can understand the trauma that leads to someone not wanting to live next to shitty dog owners. After 5 years of my neighbor’s sheep hearding dog’s barking I reported them to animal control for letting their dog roam off leash and I’ve never slept better. I would have reported the barking but its actually much harder to report barking since you need 2 other neighbors to agree and all these boomers around me are buddies.
Oh I can definitely understand being mad at some pet owners. It can suuuuck.
But a blanket statement is just disingenuous
100%
Based on the way you’re acting as if all pet owners are assholes who don’t take care of their pets.
So many seem to be that way? Sure definitely know some people who train their pets, but so many don’t seem to. Let your dog out at all hours to bark? Sure why not!
You’ll never notice the good ones.
This bill also assures soundproof apartments and funding to enforce waste pickup right?
It can and should come out of the profit margins of the landlord.
That makes people think twice about renting out that empty unit.
Yes I can totally see landlords being so dismayed by the new complexity of housing rules that they just let the $150,000 they could have earned in high rent areas over the next 5 years just go to pot instead of hiring a professional property manager or selling. Sure real.
You’re obviously a shitass, but since you asked: a dog bit through my hand right before a music gig. The owner pulled the classic “oh she’s never done anything like that before!” and gave zero reprimand to the dog and didnt answer “WHY IN THE FUCK IS IT UNLEASHED IN PUBLIC??!”
Idk who you’re replying too but, yeah dogs should be on leashes. No exceptions.
I don’t really see how this relates to landlords being made to accept pets. Most people will opt for a more expensive home than part with their pets
In Belgium landlords can’t prohibit pets. In reality they often say pets aren’t allowed anyways, but if you keep quiet until after everything is signed they can’t really do anything about it. Of course pissing off your landlord by doing something they specifically requested you avoid isn’t going to keep them on good terms, and if it’s an option, finding a home that allows them is better.
Of course this law only applies to pets that are suitable for the space. If you keep a massive dog in a tiny studio appartment you might find yourself in legal hot water, but something like a cat should never be an issue.
Depends on the breed. My best friend in university had an absolutely MASSIVE Newfoundland Retriever, and they were quite happy in a 450 sq ft efficiency apartment. I’ll fully admit that is cheating, as Newfies routinely get to 200-250 lbs, but they are lazy as all fuck, and mostly nap all day.
Sounds wonderful for tenants who are allergic to dog or cat dander.
Apartments have walls. Shocking!
Apartment walls are thin and leak. Never smelled your neighbors cooking or smoking?
Apartments have common areas.Never walked down a shared hallway or staircase or used an elevator in an apartment building?
People move. So someone moving into an apartment after someone who’s had a dog or cat is going to have to deal with the leftover dander. You can’t get it all, even with a good cleaning and ripping out carpet. It’s similar to when a non smoker moves into a unit previously occupied by a smoker.
Look — I’m fine with allowing pets in apartment complexes — I just don’t think it should be mandatory. Perhaps this legislation could compromise by saying something like “when there are over X number of units, Y percentage of units must allow pets of up to Z size and number.” That way the pet and non pet people apartments can be separated from each other.
I have lived my entire adult life in apartments. Aside from a few foolish times I was in a complex, I’ve spent the rest in buildings put up before 1930. I’ve never experienced the issues you mention. Older construction is better because it was overbuilt. Today things are built as closely to standard as possible to cost save.
Then we get reptile-only living communities, this is a plus.
You want rent prices to go even higher? Because this is how you get higher rent prices. The cost to deal with a pet before the next tenant is much higher than a no pet tenancy. Obvious, on average.
If everyone can have pets and no discrimination, then your rent will have to be priced on assuming you will have a pet. The house will have to be recarpeted and ozoned and off market for at least a week or two in between tenants to allow for it.
If you think that California landlords aren’t already charging the absolute most they can for renting houses, you’re probably paying less than $3800/month for a 2/1 built in 1906.
All these “this will cause X to raise prices” responses always inherently assume that the people currently setting the prices are just giving everyone a deal because they feel like they’ve made enough profit and don’t need any more. Maybe you’ve got a sweetheart landlord here or there, but the market writ large isn’t leaving money on the table. The only reason rents aren’t higher is because at some point the preferable alternative is moving away or homelessness
And the first time a tenants dog does $5k in damage to your house, you look at the next tenant wanting a year lease and say that’s an extra $400/mo minimum. That’s how it works. Being a landlord isn’t a charity.
It’s totally not how it works. If you could get an extra $400/month because someone was willing to pay that, you’d do it.
That’s not how it works. You advertise at market rates. If the rules change, the market rates will rise
It will rise to the level where the supply and demand curves meet, modulo market uncertainty and information imbalance.
I’ve rented several places that listed “no pets,” and after telling them I’d pay an extra $200 per month or whatever because I had two 75lb pit bulls, no one even blinked. If they had originally thought they could get away with charging the extra $200 and people would snap it up, they would have.
Most people renting houses do not do sufficient due diligence on market rates, and there’s enough variability in both housing and tenants that it’s probably a bit difficult to price ideally. If you have a large enough company that you can write some kind of statistical analysis and are renting similar/identical places in the same building, that’s one thing. If you’re a new buyer just purchasing a second house to rent over on 2nd Street because it’s $800k and you think you can cover the mortgage in rent after looking at Zillow, that’s something else.
That has been true historically, I’m not so sure now. They have started using algorithms. There’s some sort of Zillow type shit for landlords that monitors every market and is helping them price gouge, market fix, and pluropolize. Thank fuck I don’t have to worry about that
The law allows them to require pet liability insurance if the tenant has a pet.
Nobody is filing a claim for pet damage. You risk losing your entire policy or raising the rates. You keep catastrophic by law, and never use it. You’ve obviously never landlorded
"the landlords love to reap where they never sowed and demand a rent even for its natural produce.”
- Adam Smith
Adam “The Father of Capitalism” Smith on land leeches:
"the landlords love to reap where they never sowed and demand a rent even for its natural produce.”
There is a shortage of property. The price of rent is already what the highest bidder is prepared to pay for it.
